Zeth'Kur Migration — Transfers starting June 7th

[Camhonorface 0]

Also I'll add this - these missing people have almost a month to notice the transfer news. If said players really go that long without checking, I'd feel safe to say that they won't get too up in arms about where their character is moved. 

That's a generalization, but it's just rational thought. 

[Tomyris 0]

7 minutes ago, Camhonorface said:

Yes but those people are not active. So it's a moot point. 

The team has to do what is best for the project (seeing as they know more than all of us). They can't base their decision on the offchance that these people become active again.  

Unless they were a hardcore PvPer, people who quit over ZKs population were casuals anyway. I wouldn't cater towards them in any case.

[Rose_ 0]

really nice picture for this announcement guys

[Fiers 0]

14 minutes ago, Camhonorface said:

Yes but those people are not active. So it's a moot point. 

The team has to do what is best for the project (seeing as they know more than all of us). They can't base their decision on the offchance that these people become active again.  

Some of them would be active. If only a small portion would come back in the short term, then there's no harm in having them on Elysium, since there aren't enough of them to cause a problem. If a large portion would come back in the short term, then isn't that be an important factor in not wasting their chars/accounts on a much more advanced server, that many of them left in the first place?

You can't fairly dismiss them as inactives while also saying the concern is that many of them might return. Either most stay inactive and there's no need to strand them on Anathema, or most don't stay inactive and then their presumed preferences should be properly considered.

[Myllz 8]

26 minutes ago, Fiers said:

They left because of the situation on ZK. The situation that is being "fixed" via xfers. Only to spit them out on a server where all their effort in gearing is worthless, because it's 2 years older, and is in a similar situation population-wise to ZK when they quit.

I would've thought that the Project would want to keep as many people active for as long as possible, not discourage a significant number from ever coming back. But I'd also rather them not cause issues for Elysium as part of the process of helping those of us who still play, so I trust them to use their best judgment here, even if it isn't what seems best to me as a player.

What situation?  I've been playing on ZK from the start, there's no situation.  If they left for weeks or months and didn't bother checking on the status of transfers, it's their fault.

[Camhonorface 0]

6 minutes ago, Fiers said:

Some of them would be active. If only a small portion would come back in the short term, then there's no harm in having them on Elysium, since there aren't enough of them to cause a problem. If a large portion would come back in the short term, then isn't that be an important factor in not wasting their chars/accounts on a much more advanced server, that many of them left in the first place?

You can't fairly dismiss them as inactives while also saying the concern is that many of them might return. Either most stay inactive and there's no need to strand them on Anathema, or most don't stay inactive and then their presumed preferences should be properly considered.

No, I can fairly dismiss them as inactives. Are they playing the game currently? If not, they are the pure definition of inactive. 

Once again, the project team can't base their decision off of inactive players' "presumed preferences". They made the Anathema decision using all the information they have, which is more than any of us have. If you trust them to keep these servers running, trust their decision and move on. 

[Hurricane2 2]

11 minutes ago, Camhonorface said:

No, I can fairly dismiss them as inactives. Are they playing the game currently? If not, they are the pure definition of inactive. 

Once again, the project team can't base their decision off of inactive players' "presumed preferences". They made the Anathema decision using all the information they have, which is more than any of us have. If you trust them to keep these servers running, trust their decision and move on. 

It's not a presumed preference.  Zeth'Kur was an extension of Elysium, if they wanted to roll on anathema they would have.  Presuming they want to play on anathema when they already went out of their way not to is absurd and will not sit well with most of the people that miss the 2 week window.

23 minutes ago, Myllz said:

What situation?  I've been playing on ZK from the start, there's no situation.  If they left for weeks or months and didn't bother checking on the status of transfers, it's their fault.

If you attempted to PvP on Zeth'Kur then I think you would not have stated there is no situation.

[Camhonorface 0]

They have almost a month to read this news. Yes transfers are chose for 2 weeks, but there is more time to notice this than 2 weeks. 

[Myllz 8]

1 minute ago, Hurricane2 said:

It's not a presumed preference.  Zeth'Kur was an extension of Elysium, if they wanted to roll on anathema they would have.  Presuming they want to play on anathema when they already went out of their way not to is absurd and will not sit well with most of the people that miss the 2 week window.

If you attempted to PvP on Zeth'Kur then I think you would not have stated there is no situation.

I'm rank 5.  If they left due to the population dropping and not getting enough BG's to rank (which isn't the case unless you're going for top ranks), then they should be monitoring the transfer status.

[Hurricane2 2]

On Elysium you could go from rank 6 to 7 in a week fairly easily with the amount of bgs and size of brackets.  I suspect that is not the case on Zeth'Kur and that is by no means a high level rank.

I agree that they should be monitoring the transfer status but a 2 week window will be missed by many for a variety of reasons.

[Myllz 8]

3 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said:

On Elysium you could go from rank 6 to 7 in a week fairly easily with the amount of bgs and size of brackets.  I suspect that is not the case on Zeth'Kur and that is by no means a high level rank.

I agree that they should be monitoring the transfer status but a 2 week window will be missed by many for a variety of reasons.

It's a month window considering they can know now.

[Oshy 1]

32 minutes ago, Camhonorface said:

No, I can fairly dismiss them as inactives. Are they playing the game currently? If not, they are the pure definition of inactive. 

Once again, the project team can't base their decision off of inactive players' "presumed preferences". They made the Anathema decision using all the information they have, which is more than any of us have. If you trust them to keep these servers running, trust their decision and move on. 

100% agree with this. If an inactive player does not care enough to check in for a solid month, its a shame on them, not the project. If they refuse to be contacted via guild site, discord, voice comm, text/direct calls,  is it truly a loss for them to either be forced to play on Anathema, start a new char on Elysium, or quit?

[hakoon 3]

Well, the most simple and viable option would just merge all 3 pvp servers as one. Like the former nostalrius server. Only Elysium as now a healthy population. Anathema is really dying specially during NA evening/night time. 

A mandatory transfer to Anathema would had been the best option in my opinion. Why sending most active players to the most populated server. it doesnt make sense to me.  The timeline shouldnt be a factor for it. 

[Myllz 8]

5 minutes ago, hakoon said:

Well, the most simple and viable option would just merge all 3 pvp servers as one. Like the former nostalrius server. Only Elysium as now a healthy population. Anathema is really dying specially during NA evening/night time. 

A mandatory transfer to Anathema would had been the best option in my opinion. Why sending most active players to the most populated server. it doesnt make sense to me.  The timeline shouldnt be a factor for it. 

A mandatory transfer to Anathema would cause many (if not most) on ZK to stop playing entirely.

[Oshy 1]

10 minutes ago, hakoon said:

Well, the most simple and viable option would just merge all 3 pvp servers as one. Like the former nostalrius server. Only Elysium as now a healthy population. Anathema is really dying specially during NA evening/night time. 

A mandatory transfer to Anathema would had been the best option in my opinion. Why sending most active players to the most populated server. it doesnt make sense to me.  The timeline shouldnt be a factor for it. 

Stated many times, this is not an option due to current server progression.

[hakoon 3]

Just now, Myllz said:

A mandatory transfer to Anathema would cause many (if not most) on ZK to stop playing entirely.

Well, you could be right, but it's the reason I think it's now the time to merge all pvp servers togheter and reunite all the private vanilla players like it was on Nostalrius. Back in that time, the population wasn't decreasing, it was growing until it shut down.  Now, it is obvious that anathema will die exactly like Kronos 1 did because all new players will logically choose the fresher server and highest populated, which is Elysium. 

On anathema, we lose core players on a weekly basis. In my guild only, we had more than 40 guildies who wanted to join the MC night like 3 to 4 weeks ago. Now this week, we had to cancel it because there was only 25 guildies that wanted to join, and there was another group LFM and pugging for MC which basically took all the players who wanted to pug it. So we had to go to a 20 players raid instead which was really sad. It then happened again for BWL. And we couldnt fill up the post with pugs even it was the day it reset (so more players was available for it).

Guilds are disbanding or getting eaten weekly, almost daily.  Specially the NA ones.  A new influx of players is really needed. But it will not happen unless we all merge into 1.

Take off my gears that came after the patch Elysium pvp currently is, I won't care at all. I just wanna play into a large and healthy population and make the raid happens. 

 

[Oshy 1]

Even as the #1 NA guild on Horde, we too are experiencing the same drought of reliable and worthy members...After over 2 yrs of weekly raiding with this guild, the pickings have never been so slim, although I still cant agree with your proposal to down grade everyone to Elysium patch, it just isn't feasible. A big questions is gear. the vast majority of players would be left with a lot of empty gear slots from such a downgrade from Anathema to Elysium.

[Myllz 8]

22 minutes ago, hakoon said:

Guilds are disbanding or getting eaten weekly, almost daily.  Specially the NA ones.  A new influx of players is really needed. But it will not happen unless we all merge into 1.

Take off my gears that came after the patch Elysium pvp currently is, I won't care at all. I just wanna play into a large and healthy population and make the raid happens. 

 

I promise you're in the minority of those on Anathema who wouldn't care about losing their gear.  And you will be getting an influx from ZK.  A number of guilds are transferring there.

[Haestingas 30]

It's just unfortunate that Elysium didn't learn from the mistake of Kronos with the launch of Elysium + ZK. I played on K1 when Nost was down and K2 slowly killed K1 due to being the more fresh realm. What happened on Kronos 1 is EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ANATHEMA! The vast majority of new players are going to Elysium, leaving Anathema with no new blood to refill their ranks when they lose raiders to normal WoW attrition.

You can already see this happening, in the last 2 weeks 3 NA horde guilds died, Accidental Misloot, Pro by Default, and Last Resort due to lack of recruits. This will stem the bleeding from the other NA guilds for a while when they recruit the remains, until eventually the next guild dies. This will snowball as pvp suffers due to lack of population, and people become more and more convinced to not spend their time playing on a sinking ship. This will repeat until we are left with ~3 NA horde guilds at best filled with hardcore raid loggers.

[Pvtmakaveli 1]

what will happen with unopened letters in mailboxes?

[Fiers 0]

4 hours ago, Camhonorface said:

No, I can fairly dismiss them as inactives. Are they playing the game currently? If not, they are the pure definition of inactive.

Once again, the project team can't base their decision off of inactive players' "presumed preferences".

You can call them inactives, of course. You can't *dismiss* them simple for being inactive. It's like you stopped reading half way through the first sentence of that paragraph, and didn't finish. I'll add some emphasis this time:

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You can't fairly dismiss them as inactives while also saying the concern is that many of them might return. Either most stay inactive and there's no need to strand them on Anathema, or most don't stay inactive and then their presumed preferences should be properly considered.

The "presumed preferences" are almost certainly close to those of the general population. It's laughable to suggest that the vast majority of active players would want to go to Elysium, but the inactive players would be happy to play on Anathema. Especially when the initial post said Elysium would be the default option. And I can't follow your argument - why exactly can't the project team use their best approximation of that player population's preference? It's for a decision that is solely about where to move that population to...

4 hours ago, Myllz said:

What situation?  I've been playing on ZK from the start, there's no situation.  If they left for weeks or months and didn't bother checking on the status of transfers, it's their fault.

What in the world do you mean there's no situation? Why do you think the xfers are being implemented? ZK is terminal. It's been mortally wounded for months, and has only gotten closer to death. That's why we're being allowed to move elsewhere. THAT is the situation that many players quit because of. If you're even now denying that there's been a problem on ZK, you're delusional.

3 hours ago, hakoon said:

Well, the most simple and viable option would just merge all 3 pvp servers as one.

A mandatory transfer to Anathema would had been the best option in my opinion.

This is a joke, right? You might as well just delete 90% of the characters on ZK, and presumably a good portion on Elysium, because almost no one wants to play on Anathema.

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Take off my gears that came after the patch Elysium pvp currently is, I won't care at all. I just wanna play into a large and healthy population and make the raid happens. 

 

Because 2+ years of farming MC and world bosses and PvP ranks and more totally puts you on equal footing with 4 month old servers. If you were full AQ, and planning to move to Elysium, you'd near effortlessly gather BiS gear (if you hadn't saved it already), before doing so.

I'd be all for something like them giving anyone with a lvl 60 on Anathemaa lvl 60 on Elysium with some greens or something, for in return for deleting all your Anathema chars, but allowing you to have a huge advantage from a server that's been out for 2 years is nonsense. Anything more than preventing you from redoing the level grind would be unfair to current players.

[Stodola 26]

ITT: People concerned mostly and solely with themselves complaining about choices made to serve the population of all servers as a whole.

[Rose_ 0]

55 minutes ago, Stodola said:

ITT: People concerned mostly and solely with themselves complaining about choices made to serve the population of all servers as a whole.

What is your take on the situation after reading through the comments

[Relics 0]

Since I will not be in town for those two weeks of the merge and planned on heading to Elysian this whole time, is there a way to transfer my account without being in game?

thanks. 

[quest008 0]

There should have been a vote whether Elysium or Anathema was the default auto-transfer. Not sure why you'd make this decision of making Anathema the default option without asking the community first.

I refer back to Shenna's pledge she made in bold letters right before she resigned:

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The Elysium Project is run by the community, for the community.