After 3 appeal declined - Anathema - Horde - Mage - Laiy

[Laiy 0]

Dear Elysium,

I have made three appeals at "Ban Appeal section" and....., I made a thread in "Help%Support section" and was told its in the wrong section. I genuinely don`t know to whom can I address my situation, so here it goes.

The thing is my account was banned two weeks ago. In the first appeal, I was told my account doesnt even exist. Then I had to make another one to explain that it does exist, and I was told i was caught buying gold from a gold seller, clean as I know I was and controversial as the answers were, I made a third one, tried to be convincing and specified several facts of my account activities, and I thank GM Indormi for his/her 3 hours of data checking. However I am not satisfied with the result because I know what I did and did not.

I am a core raider of my guild who`s required to pop consumables during raids, to meet the requirement, I had my other two accounts farming materials and gold and then transfer them to my banned main. You can say I m rich with in-game gold in a way, and I even occasionally give out gold to my friends for them to get their consumables. So how could someone like me need to buy gold through RMT(Real Money Trade)?

It could be a relief if I drop this game and stop fighting my wife for the 4 hours evening raid hours, but a stand up guys` feeling has been hurt with such judgment and my intention was even going NAXX with my friends and guildies.

Please unban my account and you will find out its the right decision to make.

 

Regards,

[lutfee 0]

Laiy is from the same raid I am, he personally gave me 500 gold to buy consumables as in I`m a warrior and have not got too much method for gold farming. I did  raiding, world PVP, dungeons with him a lot, he turned out to be as himself saying it a "stand up guy" with reliable skills and usually top DPSing in raids. I believe what he is claiming is true, and I really hope he could come back raiding and join us again.

[Nelythia 44]

Stop buying gold and trying to hide it.

[Mahtan 15]

16 minutes ago, Nelythia said:

Stop buying gold and trying to hide it.

lol, classic Nelythia.

Do you have any insight regarding this complex case or did you just want to start the witch hunt?

I guess the thread will be deleted anyway and I have no clue about the truth. But I know a bunch of people on Darrowshire horde with an obscene amount of accounts and gold and it would make me nervous in their position if - even after three ban appeals - an innocent victim of the gold trade detection mechanisms is still banned permanently...

[mytchi3 1]

Sorry you got caught in crossfire. Server is infested with goldsellers and if you buy trade goods with them you get banned and cant prove thre was no real money involved.

Known gold seller? If he is knows how come he is operating?

[Laiy 0]

10 hours ago, Nelythia said:

Stop buying gold and trying to hide it.

I don`t think you got my point m8, I am the one with enough gold, how on earth should I buy any from others? 

[Laiy 0]

10 hours ago, Mahtan said:

lol, classic Nelythia.

Do you have any insight regarding this complex case or did you just want to start the witch hunt?

I guess the thread will be deleted anyway and I have no clue about the truth. But I know a bunch of people on Darrowshire horde with an obscene amount of accounts and gold and it would make me nervous in their position if - even after three ban appeals - an innocent victim of the gold trade detection mechanisms is still banned permanently...

I feel you, Mahtan, cuz it just happened in my case. I would not make all these fuss if I really did what I am accused. It`s just pure absurd for ppl like me who knows how to farm gold by their own buying from sellers. A banned account is not the worse part, its being treated wrong frustrates me and hurts feelings.

[Narteice 0]

Laiy is an ideal vanilla player. He has helped me a lot during my time on the Elysium servers. He is a very important member of a key guild to our server, and it really is a huge loss to the overall experience of this server. I cant imagine he'd ever buy gold. He had more than he or anyone else would need. Please reconsider your decision to ban his account.

[Justme 9]

I don't think you're allowed to play multiple accounts at the same time unless the characters are in major citier (stormwind, orgrimmar, etc).
Having an account just farm farm farm and give away gold without ever buying stuff from the AH is suspicious.

[mytchi3 1]

Just now, Justme said:

I don't think you're allowed to play multiple accounts at the same time unless the characters are in major citier (stormwind, orgrimmar, etc).
Having an account just farm farm farm and give away gold without ever buying stuff from the AH is suspicious.

No its not. I have hunter parked in farm spot 24/7 just using mail to get items to bank alts and sell and log him anytime i log off main to save buffs or for other reason. Same him using 2 mages to not get locked out in DM farm never playing more than one account at the same time

[Spiderm 0]

We can't prove what we haven't done

so  i think  

GM team should Show the evidence that the mage wrong

[mytchi3 1]

1 minute ago, Spiderm said:

We can't prove what we haven't done

so  i think  

GM team should Show the evidence that the mage wrong

Thing is they dont have to prove anything to anyone. But if there was actually 3 hours of investigation across multiple accounts and he didnt need anything to clarify from the player some evidence must have been there. Problem is its onesided and coudl have been leared out if there was communication between GMs and victims of these bans

[Justme 9]

16 minutes ago, mytchi3 said:

No its not. I have hunter parked in farm spot 24/7 just using mail to get items to bank alts and sell and log him anytime i log off main to save buffs or for other reason. Same him using 2 mages to not get locked out in DM farm never playing more than one account at the same time

same as chinese sellers :/

[mytchi3 1]

6 minutes ago, Justme said:

same as chinese sellers :/

Its 2017 and its 12 years old game. There are no secrets to farming gold. If you want to farm gold you have to use mage/hunter or do BL circles, while also exploting buy low sell high in AH.

Chinese farmers do it the same way as everyone else that doesnt make you automatically suspisious or taged for RMT.

[Justme 9]

3 minutes ago, mytchi3 said:

Its 2017 and its 12 years old game. There are no secrets to farming gold. If you want to farm gold you have to use mage/hunter or do BL circles, while also exploting buy low sell high in AH.

Chinese farmers do it the same way as everyone else that doesnt make you automatically suspisious or taged for RMT.

Then why was OP banned?

[mytchi3 1]

16 minutes ago, Justme said:

Then why was OP banned?

He "borrowed"  (lol) black lotuses and bijous to people like http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=Ana&player=Weedcat . Probably GM thinks he got real money in return for that. So he is the person getting real money for gold (in form of items,lotus,bijous,elixirs) he sells to people.

Well at least thats what i understood from it right?

[Laiy 0]

1 hour ago, Justme said:

I don't think you're allowed to play multiple accounts at the same time unless the characters are in major citier (stormwind, orgrimmar, etc).
Having an account just farm farm farm and give away gold without ever buying stuff from the AH is suspicious.

 

1 hour ago, mytchi3 said:

No its not. I have hunter parked in farm spot 24/7 just using mail to get items to bank alts and sell and log him anytime i log off main to save buffs or for other reason. Same him using 2 mages to not get locked out in DM farm never playing more than one account at the same time

I see Mytchi3 really read and understood my case, that`s just what I was doing and I believe some ppl is doing it too. And for the record, I do buy stuff from the AH a lot, how else would I get those consumables right?

[koomagic 0]

I think GM must have made some mistakes,Laiy is a very profitable player, and he's the same in real life,If GM cognizance he buy gold coins,I think it's unbelievable.This is absolutely impossible  happen.He used a lot of the right way to earn gold coins in the game,He didn't need to get gold coins illegally.He is also rich in real life.He treasures every account of his own,Of course, for rich people in the real world, they don't take risks with their own accounts,so,This is a mistake.

[koomagic 0]

This is definitely a mistake!!!

[Laiy 0]

1 hour ago, mytchi3 said:

He "borrowed"  (lol) black lotuses and bijous to people like http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=Ana&player=Weedcat . Probably GM thinks he got real money in return for that. So he is the person getting real money for gold (in form of items,lotus,bijous,elixirs) he sells to people.

Well at least thats what i understood from it right?

That`s the point, only reason I would think of is that I had trade transactions with people who`s turned out to be or judged as a gold seller. But I also mentioned that the materials borrowed has been returned to me 100%. I believe the GM team has the ability to check those transactions and prove what I claim is true.

[Nelythia 44]

I don't need insight into the case.

I trust the staff here and one of the GM's did a 3 hour long research again after your 3rd appeal.

 

You don't get in contact with known goldsellers just by coincidence.

I myself have multiple thousands of gold, and I give away gold and consumables too, just like you do.

 

I just don't get in contact with known goldsellers like you, so I'm not guilty of RMT, because I don't do it.

[Mahtan 15]

I have absolutely no idea what a "known goldseller" ingame is. Seriously. If a player is a known goldseller, then the person is most likely already banned.

So in all respect... How can I identify that I interact with a "known goldseller"?

The only thing that I can identify are the gold farming bots and gold selling spam in /whisper or /general. Everything else is hidden for me :P

[mytchi3 1]

4 hours ago, Laiy said:

That`s the point, only reason I would think of is that I had trade transactions with people who`s turned out to be or judged as a gold seller. But I also mentioned that the materials borrowed has been returned to me 100%. I believe the GM team has the ability to check those transactions and prove what I claim is true.

If this is true that they returned mats to you, which i dont see reason why they should ban you. And even if you just give away stuff it still shouldnt ban you. I know people who have their own consumables farmed for next 2 years and still have tens of thousands of gold. If they decide like you did to give people around them stuff it still shouldnt ban you.

 

But if GMs ban because they see you give away stuff and people sell it on AH well, nothing can be done to prove you dont get RMT for those items people didnt consum but rather sold on AH.

[Firebrand 3]

A good question is... how do I know if someone is a gold seller?.

 

Imagine a gold seller wants to mess with someone and sends 100g to him/her. How do you prove you didn't buy it?....

 

How about if someone buys gold for someone else.. like I get ganked by a guy a lot so in revenge I go to a gold selling site and buy gold in his name...

[Indormi 2]

This topic is being moved.... A lead GM will make the final call... as i did last time... His decision will be 100% final this time... it is beginning to be an abuse of our appeals system... also linking private conversations and putting them publicly is not recommended by any means!