unhappy with the zeth kur transfers

[Snazzytoast02 0]

This is going to be quite a long drawn out post that is completely up for debate seeing as i know nothing of the population of zeth kur or reasonings behind the transfers Note: I am literally just an elysium leveler who got really salty by the fact that 8 alliance ganked me in hillsbrad foothills. 

overall I can see no reason of why the elysium staff decided to merge servers seeing as elysium (in my opinion) was at possibly the most blizzlike population of any private server ever but, many people seem to agree with the elysium staff and what they did which is what I am most concerned about. Basically right now the situation is it is 10 in the morning on a sunday (so of course the servers are going 2 be quite packed) but I logged on today and was greeted by 8k horde online and 6.5k alliance Note: this is most likely just because zeth kur people are hyped and want to play on the server but, It has become literally impossible to level in any contested zones seeing as some dick starts to gank which spirals into people going full tilt and logging onto there mains which leads to mass KOS. What baffled me even more was the fact that when someone complained general chat practically lynched him calling him a casual and someone even claimed that this was blizzlike and from what I remember 5k people online in vanilla was considered very high pop. Overall I can see the other side of the argument as (from what some random guy in chat said) zeth kur frequently only had 500 people online (overall I believe that this was a huge exaggeration and there was most likely more but, if this is true it means that elysium is willing to sacrifice there largest and best server to accomodate a fairly small amount of people which overall leads to the overpopulation which was a major issue on nostalrius. 

I would love to see a good counter argument from someone more knowledgeable on this issue than I currently am so... looking forward to every ones responses on this topic.

[Xentrus 1]

Wether you like it or not, putting all people on the same realm is in the best interest of the server. It means new people are coming in consistently and can replace people who leave (which eventually happens, not everyone plays forever). This is the main reason why Anathema and Darrowshire are also having a hard time right now. After the initial Elysium hype, Zeth'Kur pop dropped and new players rolled on Elysium so after a whille there just weren't enough groups to clear content anymore. Since Elysium and ZK were on the same patch it was very easy to merge them.

However, I do not like high pop in the open world either. I'm still leveling myself and as an alliance player I find myself often getting ganked as well (in Ashenvale atm). I usually don't get too salty about this because that's just the cycle of WoW pvp realms, sometimes you gank, sometimes you get ganked and ganking other people feels like retribution for the times you've been killed yourself. Other than the ganking problem there is also the obvious problems of overcrowding in quest zones and too much competition for resources. I do believe that this server has some kind of dynamic respawn that adjusts to the amount of players, similar to how Nostalrius did it, but I'm not sure if this is a good or adequate solution.

The upside then is that finding groups for instanced content is much easier and inside these instances there is of course, no competition. This is the main reason why big pop is good. It keeps players engaged with stuff to do at maximum level, be it battlegrounds, dungeons or raids. There will always be people to play with. This is ultimately what matters to most people since most of their time will be spent here.

Lastly, another thing is economy. I was a skinner on my main on ZK and I just couldn't sell leather no matter how hard I tried. Also certain rarer items are hard to find (because lack of people farming/finding them) or hard to sell because lack of people interested in them. In my opinion, a bigger population makes for a more stable and enjoyable economy for people of all levels and all different methods of farming.

Just my two cents, I would like to see arguments from other people as well. I hope I've been able to put some insights.

Xentrus

[ineptsparrow 0]

Coming from ZK, Elysium has been a breath of fresh air so far. There have been plenty of people to play and group with, and content has become far more accessible. Despite the minor inconvenience while leveling, I think overall this is a positive for the server. If you consider the leveling experience to be poor I recommend trying one of the lower pop servers and seeing how little of the content you are actually able to complete. The other recommendation I have is to reach out to your guild or  even /w 60's in your zone and ask for help with gankers. Most of the time people are looking for a fight anyways :D

 

[Ragingducks 9]

1 hour ago, ineptsparrow said:

Coming from ZK, Elysium has been a breath of fresh air so far. There have been plenty of people to play and group with, and content has become far more accessible. Despite the minor inconvenience while leveling, I think overall this is a positive for the server. If you consider the leveling experience to be poor I recommend trying one of the lower pop servers and seeing how little of the content you are actually able to complete. The other recommendation I have is to reach out to your guild or  even /w 60's in your zone and ask for help with gankers. Most of the time people are looking for a fight anyways :D

 

I also really enjoyed seeing the population of Elysium coming from ZK, but I'm experience lag in everything I'm doing.

Anyone else that came from Zeth'kur feeling the same?

Reminds me of the old Nostalrius lag, only not as severe.

[woahwut 3]

QQ, can't handle being ganked? Go do another quest in another zone or run a dungeon.

[MacFierce 4]

Granted, my highest toon is a 27 mage.  But i also have a 18 priest, 16 lock and 14 rogue.  Every single orange or lower hoardie i have encountered has died.  And most of the reds i see can be charmed into letting me live.  Just bow, dance, beg, wave, etc...  There have been a few red skull d1ckwad rogues here and there that gank lowbees on their way into DM or BFD or whatever... 

It's not terribly common so far from what i've seen.  Just stay away from the Hot zones like STV. 

[cbusylol 0]

Going from ZK to Elysium-

Ran about 5 tribute runs yesterday (on Alliance side). Was getting ganked with almost every ride to the entrance through the broken commons.

I /gchat to my guild saying the new PvP is fantastic, despite having been inching closer and closer to the door through corpse running. I don't see how anyone from either realm wouldn't have fun with this. The players had months to figure out their playstyle and what server would be a good fit.

[vandelayindustries 1]

You should have chosen to transfer to one of the lower pop servers then. You had the option didn't you?

[ne0r1337 0]

This has absolutely nothing to do with a classic gaming experience anymore. The world is not laid-out for such a huge amount of players. This is not like the game was intended to play in any way. Started on ZK and was happy with the amount of population on both sides. To be fair, I can't give any statement about endgame content regarding the population. But I never had a problem to find a group as a dd for questing or dungeons. Now I am level 45 and I'm going to quit because it is no fun to me anymore being ganked (ofc only by level skull, or in groups) as soon as I exit protected zones.  Not to mention that mobs are bing killed as soon as they spawn and leveling will take 100 times longer than before. Switching zones permanently is not an option for me.

 

/edit: Forgot to mention the serverperformance on peak periods is pretty awful.

[Xentrus 1]

Agree with above poser though. I just got to 32 and wanted to do the tiger/panther quests in STV. Not only were they just spawncamped but there were tons of both alliance and horde running around including a lot of lvl 60's just killing people for fun. Was able to get 1 tiger and 2 panthers in a span of about half an hour. 

[Irenicus 0]

On 6/25/2017 at 10:47 AM, Snazzytoast02 said:

This is going to be quite a long drawn out post that is completely up for debate seeing as i know nothing of the population of zeth kur or reasonings behind the transfers Note: I am literally just an elysium leveler who got really salty by the fact that 8 alliance ganked me in hillsbrad foothills. 

overall I can see no reason of why the elysium staff decided to merge servers seeing as elysium (in my opinion) was at possibly the most blizzlike population of any private server ever but, many people seem to agree with the elysium staff and what they did which is what I am most concerned about. Basically right now the situation is it is 10 in the morning on a sunday (so of course the servers are going 2 be quite packed) but I logged on today and was greeted by 8k horde online and 6.5k alliance Note: this is most likely just because zeth kur people are hyped and want to play on the server but, It has become literally impossible to level in any contested zones seeing as some dick starts to gank which spirals into people going full tilt and logging onto there mains which leads to mass KOS. What baffled me even more was the fact that when someone complained general chat practically lynched him calling him a casual and someone even claimed that this was blizzlike and from what I remember 5k people online in vanilla was considered very high pop. Overall I can see the other side of the argument as (from what some random guy in chat said) zeth kur frequently only had 500 people online (overall I believe that this was a huge exaggeration and there was most likely more but, if this is true it means that elysium is willing to sacrifice there largest and best server to accomodate a fairly small amount of people which overall leads to the overpopulation which was a major issue on nostalrius. 

I would love to see a good counter argument from someone more knowledgeable on this issue than I currently am so... looking forward to every ones responses on this topic.

I'd just like to point out there is no way there were 14.5k people online for a single server. /who will show the total of both factions, not just one. By overall population ZK was actually closer to Blizzlike than Elysium (if I recall correctly 2-2.5k was high pop for Blizzard vanilla servers). By my (unofficial) calculations the past weekends population peak was about 1k more than the previous weekend. Please remember just because it is 10 in the morning on a Sunday for you doesn't mean it's 10 in the morning on a Sunday for the rest of the world.

[Haestingas 30]

3 hours ago, Xentrus said:

Agree with above poser though. I just got to 32 and wanted to do the tiger/panther quests in STV. Not only were they just spawncamped but there were tons of both alliance and horde running around including a lot of lvl 60's just killing people for fun. Was able to get 1 tiger and 2 panthers in a span of about half an hour. 

Then you go somewhere else. There's a ton of area's to level at all stages of the game, blows my mind people get ganked and do the same thing over and over expecting a different result. People were leveling to 60 with minimal ganking on Nost when it has 12k online through smart decisions. Just because your guide says a certain order doesn't mean you should follow it if the ganking is hot there.

[ascension197 1]

Alright. You go somewhere else and it's just as bad if not worse. Then what? Level an alt right? Some of us actually want to hit cap on the toons that we are playing. Some of us don't want to spend 8 months leveling to 48. I understand that this line of thinking is insanity but I'm of a mind that the game comes online when you hit cap and can do w/e it is that you want and be rewarded not limited. 

[Oakenlix 79]

On 25.06.2017 at 6:14 PM, Xentrus said:

and ganking other people feels like retribution for the times you've been killed yourself.

It's so funny and ridiculous when people say something like that, yet it pops up so frequently...

This is like saying: "Hmm, I used to get beat up by older guys when I was little, but now that I'm a grown man I should go beat the shit out of that kid on a playground, gonna feel like retribution!".

I guess some people are just THAT stupid.

[Xentrus 1]

1 hour ago, Oakenlix said:

It's so funny and ridiculous when people say something like that, yet it pops up so frequently...

This is like saying: "Hmm, I used to get beat up by older guys when I was little, but now that I'm a grown man I should go beat the shit out of that kid on a playground, gonna feel like retribution!".

I guess some people are just THAT stupid.

Lol call it stupid however much you want. But when a lvl 60 keeps ganking me in STV, I'll kill all low level hordes I pass on my way through stonetalon into desolace. At least they're still green level so they give some honor. Why lvl 60's waste their times killing lvl 30-40's is beyond me, but yeah.....

[Oakenlix 79]

6 hours ago, Xentrus said:

Lol call it stupid however much you want. But when a lvl 60 keeps ganking me in STV, I'll kill all low level hordes I pass on my way through stonetalon into desolace. At least they're still green level so they give some honor. Why lvl 60's waste their times killing lvl 30-40's is beyond me, but yeah.....

I have no problem with killing low levels who still give you honor, you should always do that anyway.

But killing grey low level enemies intentionally can almost never be justified, I agree with you on that.

[nooobieee 3]

1 hour ago, Oakenlix said:

I have no problem with killing low levels who still give you honor, you should always do that anyway.

But killing grey low level enemies intentionally can almost never be justified, I agree with you on that.

If you aggro the boss, don't be surprised when you get one-shot.

[Xentrus 1]

5 minutes ago, nooobieee said:

If you aggro the boss, don't be surprised when you get one-shot.

What does that have to do with anything?

[Masteridley 3]

This post is so self centered it's laughable. 

Do you know why elysium population used to be lower? Because there was another server for people to play on. Had they not opened ZK then there would have been 10k people online at all times since launch. 

Those player are god damn martyrs in my opinion, and I am glad the staff decided they wouldn't throw them under the buss and actually executed a plan to get them back on a real server where they can enjoy the game. 

What is your suggested plan? Let a bunch of people rot on a dead server just for your personal benefit? And I am not trying to be an elitist at all but why are you not level 60 yet? From a pure utilitarian standpoint the level 60's who just transfered from zeth are far more valuable to the server health than someone still doing level 30 quests 6 months into launch. 

[Xentrus 1]

3 hours ago, Masteridley said:

This post is so self centered it's laughable. 

Do you know why elysium population used to be lower? Because there was another server for people to play on. Had they not opened ZK then there would have been 10k people online at all times since launch. 

Those player are god damn martyrs in my opinion, and I am glad the staff decided they wouldn't throw them under the buss and actually executed a plan to get them back on a real server where they can enjoy the game. 

What is your suggested plan? Let a bunch of people rot on a dead server just for your personal benefit? And I am not trying to be an elitist at all but why are you not level 60 yet? From a pure utilitarian standpoint the level 60's who just transfered from zeth are far more valuable to the server health than someone still doing level 30 quests 6 months into launch. 

Look man I see where you are coming from and I agree strongly that the transfering of ZK people was in the best interest of every one involved. In my opinion they should merge all servers somehow at some point, but that's another matter. I just wish they could implement a phasing system or something, like blizzard has. I know this would be near impossible with the small amount of staff they have and it's certainly not a priority. But the open world being so populated just feels off. There's loads of people anywhere. It's kinda fun for some things, like finding groups to kill quest monsters, but on the other hand you sometimes have to wait for like half an hour for an escort NPC to respawn. Also if one faction gets a number advantage in a contested zone, it quickly turns into a slaugtherfest. Not to speak about level 60's who kill low levels just for fun (which I don't understand at all, if people just quest and do no harm let them do so IMO). This is MY view on this matter.

Again, merging with ZK was the best thing to happen since the MOST IMPORTANT aspect to the server as a whole is the ability to run end-game content and merging allows this. It make sure there are always enough people to do dungeons, raids, battlegrounds and even farm mats and stuff. This is ultimately the BEST thing for the server because the community is still what drives a vanilla server.

To address your concerns about my leveling speed. I played on Nost but didn't feel like transferring my chars over right away, and then you couldn't anymore. Started leveling on ZK about a month ago and had a lot of fun on it. Got a warlock to 47. Then on wednesday when the realm went down I started leveling a paladin who's currently in his high 30's. I'm also having exams IRL, so I'm definitely not slacking. It's on this paladin that I discovered the major inconveniences of the big population on the realm and I just felt like voicing them. That's it.

Xentrus