Blizzlike be Blizzlike

[Dizeliun 0]

[Roxy 8]

Just ignore Dizeliun. His guild broke apart and he aint welcome in any other guild on the server so now he is just shitposting "server dead" meme's.

[Abra024 2]

I'll just say my last peace here. This is supposed to be a vanilla server if the devs are gonna go around and nerf the shit out everything that makes a class good and worth rolling and make everyone on the same level you myswell go play retail this is the last bastion of hope for vanilla servers and its a real shame. Mages have always been the farm gods of classes and thats why I leveled one. People play these vanilla servers to capture that nostalgia and imblance that was vanilla if we wanted everyone on the same playing field we wouldn't be playing.

 

Stop being so obsessed with "fixing" the things that aren't broken because thats how vanilla was and thats why we play.

[TTL 6]

23 hours ago, Abra024 said:

I'll just say my last peace here. This is supposed to be a vanilla server if the devs are gonna go around and nerf the shit out everything that makes a class good and worth rolling and make everyone on the same level you myswell go play retail this is the last bastion of hope for vanilla servers and its a real shame. Mages have always been the farm gods of classes and thats why I leveled one. People play these vanilla servers to capture that nostalgia and imblance that was vanilla if we wanted everyone on the same playing field we wouldn't be playing.

 

Stop being so obsessed with "fixing" the things that aren't broken because thats how vanilla was and thats why we play.

[Stodola 26]

Blizlike is exactly that. It means congruent with Blizzard's vision and implementation. it does NOT mean "Exactly like the way it was in 200x". Such a goal is impossible to accomplish.

Just logistically, it would mean creating more servers to split server population across, to the point where mob and vendor spawns, drops, and gold accrual were on par with 200x. 

Further, there are many things that we just have no solid record for as to how they operated originally in retail and how it changed over the various patches. The QA team do their utmost best to provably identify gear, ability, mob, quest, and other changes according to Blizzard's releases and timeline. Do they get it 100% right all the time? No - but again, that's impossible. Does that mean the server is not "Blizlike" because there are differences? No.

The changes to historical gold farming zones were made with a lot of consideration. These are not haphazard tweaks. Likewise any changes made to battle ground rules are done after much discussion, consultation, and debate.

The fact that you don't like these changes, or that you feel hard done by, doesn't invalidate the rationale underpinning them. Unlike the individual player who is most often concerned with themselves, their guild, or their immediate friends, the Elysium staff need to consider everything from a holistic 'whole server' perspective. They have to consider what is healthiest and necessary for the servers and the project itself.

Inflation is a forcing factor. It is disproportionate in it's effects, widening the disparity between players and locking out any but those willing to commit the equivalent of a second job's worth of hours farming, from progression.

 

 

[Samiree 0]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

[Abra024 2]

Inflation being the reason for it is total bullshit as well but Ive said everything that needed to be said, this is about gold sellers more than inflation nostalrius didn't have 14k online all the time for nothing and it was inflated as hell.

 

I'll remember in the future not to get into arguments with people that can't do anything passed posting a giff or a wiki link.

[TTL 6]

8 minutes ago, Abra024 said:

Inflation being the reason for it is total bullshit as well but Ive said everything that needed to be said, this is about gold sellers more than inflation nostalrius didn't have 14k online all the time for nothing and it was inflated as hell.

 

I'll remember in the future not to get into arguments with people that can't do anything passed posting a giff or a wiki link.

Read the link above.

Gold Sellers & Inflation go hand and hand, so the irony here when you're constantly being destroyed but refuse to accept reality. Perhaps why the wiki link was posted.

[Abra024 2]

20 minutes ago, TTL said:

Read the link above.

Gold Sellers & Inflation go hand and hand, so the irony here when you're constantly being destroyed but refuse to accept reality. Perhaps why the wiki link was posted.

"Destroyed" LOL You keep telling yourself that since you stopped posting anything but giffs awhile back, why are you still talking exactly? Maybe my argument is more a matter of opinion than anything I'll accept that move on nothing will change anyways.

[Samiree 0]

1 hour ago, TTL said:

Read the link above.

Gold Sellers & Inflation go hand and hand, so the irony here when you're constantly being destroyed but refuse to accept reality. Perhaps why the wiki link was posted.

yes

[Stodola 26]

14 hours ago, Abra024 said:

Inflation being the reason for it is total bullshit as well but Ive said everything that needed to be said, this is about gold sellers more than inflation nostalrius didn't have 14k online all the time for nothing and it was inflated as hell.

 

I'll remember in the future not to get into arguments with people that can't do anything passed posting a giff or a wiki link.

I'll put it plainly: you are wrong. It has next to nothing to do with gold selling beyond controlling inflation and thereby reducing the pressure on players to buy gold.

Absent these measures, inflation would exacerbate the difference between the different strata of players, making it harder - not easier - to acquire upgrades and resources with the same effort put in. 

Keeping inflation low also increases the comparative effort/reward value of other gold sources which have a more static return (vendoring and questing for example) and is balanced against the static gold sinks of repair costs, skill purchases, respec costs, mounts et al.

As I said before, the fact that you feel hard done by or disagree does not in any way invalidate the rationale and fundamental economics underpinning these decisions. 

[Pottu 290]

Lot of misinformation and lies being posted here.

1. Blizzlike primarily means that we have 1x rates for gold and experience.

2. Horde can use the AV backdoor, that has never been prohibited.

3. Safespotting was not allowed by Blizzard GMs back in the day, though naturally players often got away with it due to poor GM coverage.

4. Certain "nerfs" are not actually nerfs but corrections. Please do not use other private servers as evidence on how mob packs or loot tables should be. That you were able to solo X on private server Y while earning Z amount of gold per hour is meaningless trivia.

5. Some "nerfs" are absolutely necessary due to it being 2017 and our high population. When a gold farmer can run five bots on a $100 PC to get his merchandise, the needs of the server unfortunately trample the normal ideal of emulating retail vanilla as closely as possible.

As the "discussion" has degenerated into insults and name calling, I am locking the thread.