TBC

[Asher86 1]

34 minutes ago, Haestingas said:

Considering the team is struggling to even implement 1.10, I don't understand why people think TBC would be even REMOTELY possible in the next 3 years. The only way is if Elysium somehow magically lands gummy. Considering how Elysium treated the Nost players, I would rather they don't get any more servers handed to them.

fionally someone with some brain! :D

[FEYAARES 3]

9 hours ago, Haestingas said:

Considering the team is struggling to even implement 1.10, I don't understand why people think TBC would be even REMOTELY possible in the next 3 years. The only way is if Elysium somehow magically lands gummy. Considering how Elysium treated the Nost players, I would rather they don't get any more servers handed to them.

What was wrong with the treatment of Nost players ? 
I think I have miss a part...

[Ironfoot 5]

 

The ideal TBC launch here seems like this for me:

1. Since we have a main realm and 2 side realms(comparing the population) they should merge all of them into 1 realm 6-12 months after naxxramas has been launched on Elysium. 

2. They should launch with 2 realms with crossrealm arenas and bgs. The problem was with Zeth'kur that it has been launched after a week from elysium. 2500 people on a tbc realm is more than enough if we want a little bit healthy way, but i'm pretty sure that both realms would have much higher pop in long term. The most important is launching the realms at once. 

3. Opportunity to COPY our vanilla chars to TBC on 1 realm ONCE with their backpack and with gold limit. People who play on their vanilla chars for 6+ months dont want to leave it behind. People who want fresh start are not playing activily here. Fresh TBC servers had serious faction ratio problem in the last half year,  the current elysium pop is pretty balanced now and I also think that it would help on this issue aswell

This is just my personal opinion. 

[FEYAARES 3]

Thank you for all the information @Haestingas I was really not informed of this...
But now I feel quit lost of what I have to do... Should I stay or should I go... 
Does I have to wait for a TBC server here finally ? Team is now better than before ? 

[Asher86 1]

11 hours ago, FEYAARES said:

Thank you for all the information @Haestingas I was really not informed of this...
But now I feel quit lost of what I have to do... Should I stay or should I go... 
Does I have to wait for a TBC server here finally ? Team is now better than before ? 

maybe it will be impemented, no blue post about it, yet will take some times.

[grauhase 1]

Please, a FRESH TBC realm would be amazing!

[Forest_ 40]

27 minutes ago, grauhase said:

Please, a FRESH TBC realm would be amazing!

What does this even mean? lmfao. Any TBC server would be 'fresh'.

Are you asking for people to not be able to transfer their 60s? If so: Fuck off.

[Shiamorah 20]

1 hour ago, Forest_ said:

What does this even mean? lmfao. Any TBC server would be 'fresh'.

Are you asking for people to not be able to transfer their 60s? If so: Fuck off.

PLAYERS NOT BEING ABLE TO TRANSFER THEIR 60S = NOT BLIZZLIKE

[Hai 0]

People have to understand the gargantuan effort it'd take to launch/develop a TBC server, we're talking years here and I don't think they have the resources.

[Shiamorah 20]

Just now, Hai said:

People have to understand the gargantuan effort it'd take to launch/develop a TBC server, we're talking years here and I don't think they have the resources.

Lemme just say you are very wrong about that

[Fladrif 14]

6 hours ago, grauhase said:

Please, a FRESH TBC realm would be amazing!

I agree.

FRESH would be the best options for a number of reasons: firstly, a transfer will surely generate a death wound to an existing vanilla realm while a progression will definitely kill pserver vanilla glory. Secondly, a fresh start will give a greater longevity to the realm and there'll be activity in all tiers.

 

6 hours ago, Forest_ said:

What does this even mean? lmfao. Any TBC server would be 'fresh'.

Are you asking for people to not be able to transfer their 60s? If so: Fuck off.

4 hours ago, Shiamorah said:

PLAYERS NOT BEING ABLE TO TRANSFER THEIR 60S = NOT BLIZZLIKE

Players not paying to play = NOT BLIZZLIKE

Realm with 3000+ players = NOT BLIZZLIKE

Vanilla realm which stays Vanilla = the fundamental idea of WoW retro-gaming

 

[Keala 28]

By saying that you are assuming that any of the vanilla servers will actually still be playable as soon as a TBC server gets released. The glory of those servers will disappear anyway, you don't need transfers for that (papa Elysium taught one us thing: a new server will always kill the older ones. HINT look at Anathema after Elysium got released).

This is the same over and over though. Just because you did not spent time and effort on any of your characters, it doesn't mean transfers are useless and shouldn't be done. A lot of people, including me, would love to keep their characters after clearing the whole vanilla content for multiple reasons, such as having all those items you really worked hard for, mounts or any kind of rare item. Even keeping the gold would be a thing. And no, just because you don't have the gold, it doesn't mean no one shouldn't have any. I also really feel like that some players are against transfers from Vanilla to TBC just because endgame raiders have stuff that they themselves don't. Why is everyone being so selfish? Talking about how healthy a server would be without transfers just blows my mind. It reminds me of the times where Anathema was about to relaunch: there were literally tons of people asking Elysium to not give our old Nostalrius characters back even though they were already getting their own new fresh realm.

Oh and by the way, you can sign me up on the list of players who WILL NOT PLAY TBC if I can't transfer my character. You might be one of those who love TBC, but to me it's still inferior to Vanilla (and please don't come back at me saying "then stay Vanilla". No, If I cleared everything up to Naxxramas then I'd rather transfer my character to TBC or I can just stop playing if I can't do that, without even making a big deal out of it, I don't care).

[Fladrif 14]

3 hours ago, Keala said:

By saying that you are assuming that any of the vanilla servers will actually still be playable as soon as a TBC server gets released. The glory of those servers will disappear anyway, you don't need transfers for that (papa Elysium taught one us thing: a new server will always kill the older ones. HINT look at Anathema after Elysium got released).

There used to be a sort of idea, not really a philosophy... "There's a community who wants legacy servers", "there are players who are willing to pay monthly for the game that Blizzard destroyed so badly".

If our vanilla realms die as soon as a new expansion comes out in the pserver scene, the original Nostalrius ideals are nothing but a big pile of shit.

Should we say in advance that our community is 90% people who play retro-Wow just because it's free? Let the community prove it. Don't deliberately kill a vanilla realm: a transfer can be done at any time if needed.

BTW, the lesson isn't that a new server kill the older ones: the lesson is "realms get old and die", when too much players are into end-game content and lower tiers are dead, our realm is going to die soon.

 

3 hours ago, Keala said:

Oh and by the way, you can sign me up on the list of players who WILL NOT PLAY TBC if I can't transfer my character. You might be one of those who love TBC, but to me it's still inferior to Vanilla (and please don't come back at me saying "then stay Vanilla". No, If I cleared everything up to Naxxramas then I'd rather transfer my character to TBC or I can just stop playing if I can't do that, without even making a big deal out of it, I don't care).

It looks like Blizzard did the the right thing by denying legacy servers. If this is the case and vanilla realms are bound to die, then ask for a progression of Anathema to slow down the process.

But do not deny a fresh start to the thousands of players who want it.

 

[Forest_ 40]

If TBC ever happens here it will be transfers from the Vanilla realms. That's just how it's going to be, and how it should be. Sorry about your luck.

If you want a fresh server every 6 months just keep rerolling on the newest shiniest server that comes out and enjoy never doing more than the first tier of raiding.

[Keala 28]

3 hours ago, Fladrif said:

Should we say in advance that our community is 90% people who play retro-Wow just because it's free? Let the community prove it. Don't deliberately kill a vanilla realm: a transfer can be done at any time if needed.

This makes no sense in any possible way imaginable.
What does this even mean? Are you trying to imply that if a vanilla realm dies after a tbc realm is released, then everyone plays because it's free? This is seriously what I'm understanding from your sentence.
"Let the community prove it."
Prove what? -> "That 90% of the people who play retro-Wow don't do it just because it's free"
How do we prove that? -> "Don't deliberately kill a vanilla realm"
And after completing the puzzle, this is what I see: "If we release a tbc realm and it kills a vanilla realm, then the people are playing because it's free".
Am I really the only one understanding this or anyone here thought the same? Please tell me cause i'm so confused right now.

And no, the lesson is that new servers kill the older ones. It's not hard to imagine what Anathema would be if both Elysium and Darrowshire never existed at all. Everyone would be playing on Anathema and the community wouldn't be split as it is now.
Let's just go back in time for a moment and think of Nostalrius. What would the situation be if the shutdown never happened? Everyone would have continued playing there, not giving a single fuck about opening new servers because they were already playing on the existing ones. Newer players weren't asking for new fresh servers either. In the end (we're still in the ideal world where the shutdown never happened) Nostalrius would have released their TBC servers, allowing people to transfer their level 60 characters just like they planned. And even though they were going to let both of the original servers be independent from the newer ones, there's still room for argument wether the 2 older realms would have continued living or not. Do you seriously think that, after having everyone transferring/copying their characters to the newer servers, there would be anyone left playing on the older ones?

 

About Legacy Servers, I have no idea how you came to that conclusion after reading "I won't play TBC if I can't transfer my character from Vanilla", but it doesn't really make much sense either to me, maybe you can further argument your statements so that they don't look like just random sentences.

[Forest_ 40]

4 hours ago, Fladrif said:

But do not deny a fresh start to the thousands of players who want it.

NOBODY WANTS THIS FOR A TBC SERVER IF THEY ALREADY HAVE A 60 TO PLAY.

Holy shit man, you are literally the embodiment of a "fresh-fag". I can't help but think you're just trolling at this point.

No one can be this disconnected from reality. It just doesn't even seem possible.

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I'll make you a deal. If Elysium opens up TBC for its players I hope they open 2 servers.

1 Fresh server where you are forced to start from level 1.

1 Server where you are allowed to transfer your 60 from any Elysium realm to the TBC realm.

If the fresh realm has more players quitting their 60s to start at level 1 than just transferring their chars I'll send you the deed to my house my bank account information.

(For clarity sake there should actually only be 1 TBC server)

[Fladrif 14]

39 minutes ago, Forest_ said:

NOBODY WANTS THIS FOR A TBC SERVER IF THEY ALREADY HAVE A 60 TO PLAY.

Holy shit man, you are literally the embodiment of a "fresh-fag". I can't help but think you're just trolling at this point.

No one can be this disconnected from reality. It just doesn't even seem possible.

It doesn't matter what people want to do. It matters what they actually do: roll on fresh servers and make them succesful.

See felmyst.

Reality vs. Forest_ ---> 1- 0

[Fladrif 14]

51 minutes ago, Keala said:

This makes no sense in any possible way imaginable.
What does this even mean? Are you trying to imply that if a vanilla realm dies after a tbc realm is released, then everyone plays because it's free? This is seriously what I'm understanding from your sentence.

You missed a few shades, but you got most of the message.

Why would Blizzard invest in legacy servers if the sole reason for players to stay there is that it's the best free alternative to the real thing?

Why should we deliberately destroy a vanilla realm with a transfer?

[Keala 28]

Normally, most of the people will attempt to further explain their statements by argumenting them in order to discuss said statements in a worthy way, but apparently it's much easier to just reply with even more questions that prove nothing and give zero insight about what you're trying to say.

Why should people not play on Legacy Servers instead of playing on private servers, in the case they were to be released? (psst... I would play there!)

Why should a transfer destroy a vanilla realm when it would be destroyed either way?

[Ironfoot 5]

On 2017. 08. 09. at 10:33 PM, Ironfoot said:

1. Since we have a main realm and 2 side realms(comparing the population) they should merge all of them into 1 realm 6-12 months after naxxramas has been launched on Elysium. 

2. They should launch with 2 realms with crossrealm arenas and bgs. The problem was with Zeth'kur that it has been launched after a week from elysium. 2500 people on a tbc realm is more than enough if we want a little bit healthy way, but i'm pretty sure that both realms would have much higher pop in long term. The most important is launching the realms at once. 

3. Opportunity to COPY our vanilla chars to TBC on 1 realm ONCE with their backpack and with gold limit. People who play on their vanilla chars for 6+ months dont want to leave it behind. People who want fresh start are not playing activily here. Fresh TBC servers had serious faction ratio problem in the last half year,  the current elysium pop is pretty balanced now and I also think that it would help on this issue aswell

This is just my personal opinion. 

 

[Forest_ 40]

What Ironfoot said isn't a bad idea.

What Fladipshit doesn't understand is every server like Felmyst has to start at level 1 because they don't have access to other server's character databases. Honestly there's really no point to qualify his posts with real responses anymore. I'm 100% confident that char xfers would happen on an Elysium run TBC server, I guess I was just trying to convince a brick wall of something it wasn't capable of comprehending.

My filtered forum messages will now include: Killerduki & Fladrif. You have to be truly stupid for me to want to never see anything you say ever again.

2 hours ago, Fladrif said:

Reality vs. Forest_ ---> 1- 0

^ Lmfao

[Asher86 1]

you guys forget ne thing: elysium stuff struggles for keep up servers as are now thanks for donation... adding tbc ones will weight them more! :(

also remember felmyst... moher blizzard may shut it as soon as is done, ruining the whole staff work.

[Ironfoot 5]

1 hour ago, Asher86 said:

you guys forget ne thing: elysium stuff struggles for keep up servers as are now thanks for donation... adding tbc ones will weight them more! :(

also remember felmyst... moher blizzard may shut it as soon as is done, ruining the whole staff work.

ummm.. what are you talking about? do you mean felmyst has been shut down because it's TBC? Did you realise that we have a server here for 8+ months? Did you read the staff's reddit post where they explained that the fees of the servers will be nearly half of the current fees from October?

Ah I'm getting tired of explaining, argueing with those people who dont read or dont play here....... zzzzZZZZZzzz

[Whiskyjack666 2]

TBC was crap compared to vanilla... Please don't. Or release a new server...

[Asher86 1]

5 hours ago, Whiskyjack666 said:

TBC was crap compared to vanilla... Please don't. Or release a new server...

in tbc they improved the calsses, but made game a lot more easy compared to vanilla. many elite quests are now normal ones, hybrid classes became less hybrid and became more specialized, which is anathema to them and  dserously... outlands look like crap... jesus hellfire peninsula is dalthonic island...