Is there anything Elysium can do?

[Ickus 40]

10 minutes ago, Morathe said:

Yea... no that won't happen. Imagine some people rolled on vanilla server because they actually don't like further expansions. TBC is pretty much a raidloggers expansion + some arenas but whatever. There is no world pvp, no bg system to promote organized pvp there, just arenas. But thats even beside the point because its personal pref. Fact worth mentioning is that so many TBC across last 2 years died before they reached even 30% of their timeline that Its hard for me to believe anyone would consider Anathema going TBC any selling factor. TBC atm is like at the bottom of confidence level for potential fresh people. 

Then create a tbc server that allows transfers... boom fixed that. How is it hard for you to believe no one would come here because of tbc? There's thousands of people waiting for a good tbc server. 

[Forest_ 40]

21 minutes ago, Morathe said:

Yea... no that won't happen. Imagine some people rolled on vanilla server because they actually don't like further expansions. TBC is pretty much a raidloggers expansion + some arenas but whatever. There is no world pvp, no bg system to promote organized pvp there, just arenas. But thats even beside the point because its personal pref. Fact worth mentioning is that so many TBC across last 2 years died before they reached even 30% of their timeline that Its hard for me to believe anyone would consider Anathema going TBC any selling factor. TBC atm is like at the bottom of confidence level for potential fresh people. 

Yeah sorry man, you're completely opposite of what the truth is here.

TBC is THE MOST hyped expansion right now for the fact that you literally just stated, every server has flopped before it reached good raids and gear levels. Mostly because people figured out that content after T4 was scripted like shit and the devs lied to them (pretty much every TBC server ever besides Gummy's). If a TBC server came out that didn't have a cash shop and had real scripts and a good timeline that didn't make Horde 100% imbalanced in PvE and PvP it would wipe out every other server.

TBC servers are so shit because the CMangos version for TBC was abandoned for WotLK development before the core even saw basic changes. That's why every TBC server has the same bugs like running in place in Shat, weird ass path finding, dungeon events not working, etc.

The added fact that Elysium-Project might be the first server to offer people PTE with their 60's and not make people go through the dog-shit experience of leveling 1-70 would mean that this TBC server would own the private server scene.

[Morathe 5]

Yea practically every wow gamer I know that quit Anathema wanted to go Gummy real hard but after it went down everyone lost every remaining bits of confidence in future for tbc scene, as you said its both due to the poor scripting and now added bonus of being bombed hard by blizzard. 

Anyway you should already have learned that inheriting a database, core and scripts is one thing but implementing it and running it like OG is completely different thing. I don't have confidence in Elysium being a right hub to host the hype that is, especially now that they have virtually no team, major bugs are there unresolved for months now. I mean whats the point of releasing content patch if it completely wrecks previous content like Silithus... people can't even complete their rep rewards. 

P;S i spoke about confidence level of players that I know (fairly large crowd) have toward TBC, not about hype. I mean people been hyped about many weird ass things in a past... playtbc.com... ekhem... as history shown hype doesn't make things neither good nor lasting.

[Banezilla 2]

55 minutes ago, Morathe said:

Because at that time they still had obligation to Nost staff? If they didn't open Anathema first then its population would boycott the shit out of them in no time. 

Boycott? What obligation? Wishful thinking.

[Morathe 5]

4 minutes ago, Banezilla said:

Boycott? What obligation? Wishful thinking.

I wish:P Thinking Elysium would live same life as they do right now and have that kind of population on their fresh server if it were known to post-Nost community how they would treat their database in the future... now thats wishful thinking. 

[Banezilla 2]

1 hour ago, Morathe said:

I wish:P Thinking Elysium would live same life as they do right now and have that kind of population on their fresh server if it were known to post-Nost community how they would treat their database in the future... now thats wishful thinking. 

I thought you were smarter than this. It was fairly obvious why they released Anathema before Elysium.

[Morathe 5]

8 hours ago, Banezilla said:

I thought you were smarter than this. It was fairly obvious why they released Anathema before Elysium.

Lets hear it then:P 

[Keala 28]

On 11/8/2017 at 6:49 PM, Hudson said:

Considering that the majority of the staff's personal mains are on Anathema and Darrowshire, it's a little asinine to say that we don't care about them.

That's what it looks like though. I mean, let's look at facts: Anathema's and Darrowshire's population have dropped to Zeth'Kur's level (if not below at this point), and yet when it happened to Zeth'Kur it was admitted that the gameplay was affected in a negative way and thus made the right thing to let the players choose where to go from there with transfers. Now that the same thing is happening with Anathema and Darrowshire, when I try to look for informations about this issue all I can find are closed or deleted threads, statements that show no intention of doing anything ever to help those servers, such as "It's up to the players to make Anathema bloom once again! Go and convince people/guilds on Elysium to move there!", because apparently opening transfers from Elysium to Anathema is too much work.

Don't get me wrong: I am not saying a solution needs to be applied right this moment or anything. The population issue is clearly visibile and is getting bigger as time passes, but even then it's not getting addressed at all and it looks like everyone in the staff think that everything's cool. It's like you are all seriously covering your eyes with your own hands to not see the gravity of the situation.

I would really love to see what the staff decides to do in the case that all the players left on Anathema/Darrowshire decide altogether to stop playing, making the servers have less than 100 players at peak times. What would you do, then? Will you actually do something like making an announcement about it, or are you going to be like "Oh, Anathema died. Whatever, I'll just reroll on Elysium I guess" and shut it down?

[FEYAARES 3]

On 8/11/2017 at 6:49 PM, Hudson said:

Considering that the majority of the staff's personal mains are on Anathema and Darrowshire, it's a little asinine to say that we don't care about them.

The way you are avoiding this topic is the same than Blizzard avoid everything they don't want to speak about.
You are acting like "You think you do, but you don't". 

When I see the team working on Naxx PTR, when I hear how the war effort was released I just think : PTR is Alpha Test, Anathema and Daro are Beta test v1 and v2, Elysium is the real realm. 

It's a little asinine to say that we don't care about them ? 
Are you trying to speak with us ? To find a solution ?
A lot Darrowshire players are ok to switch to PvP mode to have a healthy server. 

Just read all the topic and maybe you will understand why we think you don't care about it. 
Most of people on this topic are here to find solution and not to blame the team. 
But @Keala explain perfectly why we think that. And that's 100% right. 

[Keala 28]

Hey guys! You heard the man:

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We are also actively monitoring the population of all our servers.

I will quote myself again, we do not need such threads every week.

Please stick to threads that already exist or use the suggestion forum to discuss this in more depth.

According to him if we stick to threads that already exist (this if the first I found) we can probably have a discussion here, let's put it to the test.

Are you really monitoring the population of all servers? Then I suppose we can both agree that Anathema IS a ghost town (yes, Darrowshire too), right? I mean, right now peak times barely reach 1.5k while most of the times we don't even have 1k pop.

Also, it's quite disappointing to see this:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/298553596453191680/348066486113533952/image.jpg

"The worry that one realm will be a ghost town is entirely groundless". Oh really? How would you describe Anathema now then? I'm curious.
I had no idea about the existence of this comment until now.

To stay on topic: according to the GM that posted in this thread, most of the staff have their mains on Anathema or Darrowshire. I'm starting to think that it's either false or you have all already re-rolled to Elysium. There is no way you could find those 2 servers enjoyable right now.

But let's be honest, you will probably just lock this thread now cause I'm trying to discuss the truth and apparently you don't like it. I'll start looking for the next thread that talks about this and be ready to reply there I suppose.

EDIT: I just remembered one of the topics being closed by Hudson because:

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The reasons these dozens of threads get locked is because it is just pointless complaining and bickering about hindsight without offering any viable solutions.

So, which one is it? Are you closing threads because we don't stick to the current ones or because "it is just pointless complaining and bickering"?

[Sabre 5]

2 hours ago, Keala said:

Hey guys! You heard the man:

According to him if we stick to threads that already exist (this if the first I found) we can probably have a discussion here, let's put it to the test.

Are you really monitoring the population of all servers? Then I suppose we can both agree that Anathema IS a ghost town (yes, Darrowshire too), right? I mean, right now peak times barely reach 1.5k while most of the times we don't even have 1k pop.

Also, it's quite disappointing to see this:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/298553596453191680/348066486113533952/image.jpg

"The worry that one realm will be a ghost town is entirely groundless". Oh really? How would you describe Anathema now then? I'm curious.
I had no idea about the existence of this comment until now.

To stay on topic: according to the GM that posted in this thread, most of the staff have their mains on Anathema or Darrowshire. I'm starting to think that it's either false or you have all already re-rolled to Elysium. There is no way you could find those 2 servers enjoyable right now.

But let's be honest, you will probably just lock this thread now cause I'm trying to discuss the truth and apparently you don't like it. I'll start looking for the next thread that talks about this and be ready to reply there I suppose.

EDIT: I just remembered one of the topics being closed by Hudson because:

So, which one is it? Are you closing threads because we don't stick to the current ones or because "it is just pointless complaining and bickering"?

Calm down.

[Keala 28]

11 minutes ago, Toradh said:

You are seriously embarrassing yourself bud

I don't really care if that is true or not, the only thing that really matters is to make the staff realize some things.

Also why am I the only one you're referring to when the forums are literally filled with people making these threads and trying to have a proper discussion? If you're gonna be like that at least be fair and use plural instead of pointing fingers to single individuals.

Or even better, just stay away from issue that don't even concern you, typical Elysium player.

[Banezilla 2]

On 08/14/2017 at 8:06 AM, Keala said:

apparently opening transfers from Elysium to Anathema is too much work.
 

Apparently leveling to 60 is too much work.

[Keala 28]

Levelling to 60 =/= Levelling to 60 and get all your reputations, consumables, gold and gear to a decent level. On multiple characters.

Apologies if some people don't really bother wasting hundreds of days of /played.

But you're also the typical Elysium player who does not really care and on top of that tries to push against anything in favor for everyone else outside of their own realm. 

[Banezilla 2]

15 minutes ago, Keala said:

Levelling to 60 =/= Levelling to 60 and get all your reputations, consumables, gold and gear to a decent level. On multiple characters.

Apologies if some people don't really bother wasting hundreds of days of /played.

But you're also the typical Elysium player who does not really care and on top of that tries to push against anything in favor for everyone else outside of their own realm. 

So you feel entitled to your rep, gold, consumables, and gear? I think that's one reason why people don't want to play on your server.

[Keala 28]

Everyone knows why people play on the most recent server. If Elysium wouldn't have been released, Anathema would have the same population they currently have, more or less.

And no, if you actually bothered to read what I've said multiple times, you would know that I just don't feel like re-rolling when all the effort I've put could be saved. Have you even tried reading all the topics regarding this issue since the last 2 months? I'm not the first one bothered by this issue, there have been plenty of players before me. The same shit happened with Zeth'Kur aswell. And yet, you're talking talking to me as if I'm the first player bringing this up.

If you're gonna be so annoying why don't you go and bother every single player who, just like me, wish to have some kind of solution about this?

[Neyko 0]

Elysium and Anathema are simply too similar to coexist. Both 1x xp, both PvP and only one raid tier apart.

What worked on Feenix for example (before Nostalrius) was to have one high rate xp server (warsong) and one blizzlike 1x server (Emerald Dream).

Naxx was out on Warsong, but the server still kept going for years before it died. Some people would probably start playing on Anathema if it had higher xp rates just to try out different classes and raid AQ/Naxx right away. And some people hate levelling a lot, they might roll here as well.

People really need some incentives to roll on Anathema instead of Elysium. Otherwise noone's gonna bother with a 2 months levelling grind just to end up on a declining server.

At this point Anathema doesn't rly have much to lose tbh, might as well give it a try. If it doesn't work, so be it, nothing lost compared to now. We desperately need new players/fresh blood on the server.

Merging both servers is not rly a valid option anymore. Anathema won't last another year at this rate and that's how long it would take Elysium to catch up (at least).

So my advice is: Announce the Naxx release, increase XP rates (3-7x, sth around that), do a couple of hyped up double xp weekend events.

With a decent Naxx release lots of players will wanna see it now instead of waiting another 1-1.5 years for it on Elysium. You just have to make it easy for them.

[Banezilla 2]

1 hour ago, Keala said:

Everyone knows why people play on the most recent server. If Elysium wouldn't have been released, Anathema would have the same population they currently have, more or less.

And no, if you actually bothered to read what I've said multiple times, you would know that I just don't feel like re-rolling when all the effort I've put could be saved. Have you even tried reading all the topics regarding this issue since the last 2 months? I'm not the first one bothered by this issue, there have been plenty of players before me. The same shit happened with Zeth'Kur aswell. And yet, you're talking talking to me as if I'm the first player bringing this up.

If you're gonna be so annoying why don't you go and bother every single player who, just like me, wish to have some kind of solution about this?

Were you active on these forums before Anathema's release? I'm sure you're aware that about 60% of the players that voted in the poll wanted a fresh server over Nost pve and PvP combined. Then they released Anathema first hoping people would get invested in their new characters so they would stay and balance the population. Do you remember the queues after each release? Yes, they needed multiple or more powerful servers.

[Keala 28]

Yes, I was active on these forums before Anathema released (even though I didn't post much, but I read them almost everyday), but that kind of argument does not guarantee what you're trying to say.

Do you think that all of the players who wanted a fresh realm would have not played at all in the case that they were not going to open a fresh realm? I'm not saying that all of the people who preferred a new realm over the existing one would have played anyway, but there is for sure a good chunk that would just deal with it and play on Anathema rather than not playing at all.

Either way, by releasing Anathema first they achieved what they wanted to do: the veterans who had characters there stayed and did not re-roll on the fresh realm, just like you said. There's only one, obvious problem that they have not taken into account properly. All the new players will obviously rather start on Elysium than on Anathema, and I don't even think we need to explain why does this happen. This means that Anathema got no fresh blood since the release of Elysium, because almost every new player would rather choose the fresher realm over an older one.

Now, just imagine the scenario where the staff actually decided to never release Elysium, and only have the old Nost PvP/PvE realms active. I'm not going to deny that a lot of players would have complained a lot about it, but do you really think that it would stop everyone, including the fresh blood, from rolling on Anathema?

And by the way, thank you for replying like that. It was much better compared to how you replied previously.

[FEYAARES 3]

You're right but there is another point we have to think about. 

Nostalrius ask Elysium to stop the usage of all the data they provide them and they stopped character migration from Nost to Anathema. This is one point who was hard for us and probably kill the server. 

Now we need to find solution without the Elysium staff because sorry : they don't give a shit of Anathema.

So what we can do ? 

I have an idea, it would probably sounds stupid, but I don't care.

Maybe we can start a sponsorship program. 

Create a topic with all the people who are ok to sponsor a new player with a proper list (name/faction/and on what he can help newcomer) 

We are all out of us because of this situation and the staff reaction but for me Nostalrius player are the Legacy fighter, let show our best part and stop create thread and thread about this.

THEY DON'T CARE AT ALL. 

So let's find a solution by ourself.

 

[Ickus 40]

Dracarys

[Ickus 40]

I dont think its a lack of caring. I think a lot is being totally inept on PR 

[Banezilla 2]

On 8/19/2017 at 1:25 PM, Keala said:

Either way, by releasing Anathema first they achieved what they wanted to do:

They wanted the Nost Core and all of the hype, that was their goal. Mission accomplished.

 

On 8/19/2017 at 1:25 PM, Keala said:

Now, just imagine the scenario where the staff actually decided to never release Elysium, and only have the old Nost PvP/PvE realms active. I'm not going to deny that a lot of players would have complained a lot about it, but do you really think that it would stop everyone, including the fresh blood, from rolling on Anathema?

Wishful thinking. The massive queues prevented a lot of people from playing and the project lost a lot of hype. There's no way one server could hold the original hype, and it couldn't.

Does anyone remember the queues from the launch of both servers? It would be nice to get some stats on the launch, wasn't there a few weeks in between the launch of Anathema and Elysium... there were often 10k+ queues? Didn't they open the server during the EU prime time on Saturday, it was a huge cluster. It was a shit launch and that may be part of why Anathema is dying.

[Stodola 26]

The population on both Anathema and Elysium PVP was capped at 11k and had 2-3k queues (up to a few hours) on launch. 

[Guest]

More than that. January 8. Server was full at 11k+ cap.