<Breakthrough> Ninja Looting DKP Guild

[edi 0]

Hello all I bring you the tale of Breakthrough, a ninja looting guild. This guild likes to call me a "little bitch" cause I gquit after they took a band of accuria and gave it to an officer. A feral druid officer. I originally wasn't going to post this but after certain people calling me out in trade chat I decided to go ahead with it. Here's a rundown of how the steal happened. 

Band of accuria was the last item bid for. Called for bids on band of accuria and I whispered in 280. Raid leader Roflkopterr says he got bids in and he will take a while to calculate DKP. Around 4 minutes go by and I get hit with the whispers from him. Here are screenshots.

He whispers me this. I mean I bid all my dkp for a BIS tanking ring, it will help out my threat generation heavily. He asks me I know you really want it, but do you want to give it to a rogue? Why would you even ask that? I mean its dkp right, I bid most and it is main spec for me so why even question my decision. Unless you actually didn't want me to get the item.... Then I guess you can try and see if he will give it up real quick without causing a stir.

I reply that I do want the ring of course. I am unable to get any weapons that I want until all fury warrs in guild have epic weapons, so yes of course I want the band of accuria.  

He announces that I am the winner of the ring. People cheer at me and whisper me congratulations that I won the ring. But wait, silence strikes. I don't get my ring looted to me. 30 seconds later Roflkopterr the raid leader says, wait a minute let me recheck dkp and bids. I mean you took like 4 minutes checking dkp, and you could cross off all bids lower than mine so it should be very quick. 

Then I get the message. The "didn't see his msg lol". How convenient after checking dkp forever. It instantly goes to the feral druid officer and that is where I gquit.

Here is the pictures of how long it took to distribute the ring. It took a total of 7 minutes of checking dkp to simply award a ring, how weird huh. This is straight from their website.

So rofl decides to change his story tell his guild members that I didn't have enough DKP for the ring. I get talked to in world chat by a core raid member, Lexian.

I reply I bid 280 dkp, and their own webdkp website still shows that I have 290 dkp. I mean why would he lie that I don't have enough dkp when I have more than I even bid?

Then he resorts to again calling me a little bitch over gear. I mean isn't that one of the main points of joining a raiding guild? You join and you put in effort and you get raid gear. But I guess I am a "little bitch" for being upset getting ninja'd an item and I should just bend over. After he has no more reasoning he's done with the convo I guess.

Wait I bid 280 and their own website shows I have 290 dkp. Weird that they would say "I didn't have enough dkp".

Starts whispering me cause he doesn't want to ruin the guilds name.

And then begins how much the guild helped me (which they didn't at all lol)

 

So what would I say? Don't join them. I just wanted to let it drop and not cause drama why I didn't post shit. But they couldn't give it up, they had to attack the loot councilling of the new guild I was advertising. They had to call me a little bitch for quitting the guild. It's not even like I took something from them and then quit. They are toxic and not worth the time. 

[riplip 2]

I feel like we're only getting one side of the story here, please explain why he might have said "we gave you everything and you leave over one piece of gear" I feel like you may have lost your mind over something that could have been solved through a compromise.

[homu2 1]

i would insta gquit if i saw feral druid in a raid

[edi 0]

21 minutes ago, riplip said:

I feel like we're only getting one side of the story here, please explain why he might have said "we gave you everything and you leave over one piece of gear" I feel like you may have lost your mind over something that could have been solved through a compromise.

Not really sure why. I got 6 pieces of gear after 5 weeks of raiding. Helm of wrath I got when I and Roflkopterr tanked (fury warr) and I was the only legit tank in the entire raid. Shoulders I got my first raid, I was the 3rd tank and the other 2 had them already. Legs of Wrath I got when I was 2nd tank for the group, main tank already had them, and I bid more dkp than the 2 other tanks who it was their first mc with us. Boots I got the latest and I won with dkp vs the 2 new tanks where it was their second raid. Shield I also got first raid, 1 tank had it and the other tank was an alt so he let me have it. Only thing I got handed in this guild was the onyxia head for 10 dkp. 

[riplip 2]

Ah. they seem like dickheads all the way then. I wouldn't justify an ony head as "everything"

[edi 0]

Just now, riplip said:

Ah. they seem like dickheads all the way then. I wouldn't justify an ony head as "everything"

Pretty much it was why I was confused too. No one helped me gear at all while I was prebising, I would ask over and over again and you would have the same people sitting in org not helping. Now that did make me not want to help guildies at all, since I received 0 help or acknowledgement while prebis grinding for a week or two. There was no help with consumes either. I was 2nd tank for the raid for 4 weeks, only on the last week did they finally make me a dark iron piece after our group 2 desperately needing it since we only had 1 fire capped tank. The raids also started taking an hour later than scheduled to start since we were missing people, I took it upon myself to start recruiting for them just because I didn't want to wait so long and they weren't trying. They put no effort into the 2nd group and they act like they are the nicest people in the world. 

[Letmetankpls 0]

38 minutes ago, homu2 said:

i would insta gquit if i saw feral druid in a raid

^this. Giving an Accuria to a feral druid over a main raid tank. That's not only unfortunate, it's just disgusting. Why is there even a feral druid in raid while it's not ZG patch? Oh wait, he's an officer

[Arvyn 2]

Larauna the druid tank had more DKP and bid all in (wich got overlooked at first) and won. 

Roflkopterr just asked nicely if u would concider passing it to me. (He would ask the same to larauna if he had not overlooked his bid) as a sidenote you know i did'nt know he asked this till after you told me the next day. 

Gear did not get handed to you but as a tank u did get everything pretty cheap and pretty fast, where as alot of other raiders got only 1 or 2 pieces in more then double the amount of raids. I think that's what people meant.

Good luck with your new guild

 

 

[szuszak 2]

1st he is not a main tank - he is offtank

2nd - that dsnt matter since this is a dkp system - you want something that is considered in your spec you spend dkp

3rd - he bid 280 dkp - the person that won the band of accuria bid 360 dkp - which means you didn't have enough dkp to win it 

i assume what roflkopter is saying is that he didnt see the bid by larauna

4th Lexian is not a guild master nor is he an officer or class leader - he has his own opinions that he can express if he wishes to do so

if he thinks you are a little bitch to cry /gquit about some pixels

looking at the loot tables shows you getting quite a bit of loot in a matter of 3 raids lots of Bis gear for an offtank for minimum bids in very short time - GZ on that

but loot whores are loot whores - you will gquit your new guild if you don't get every single piece of gear that drops too? oh wait loot council guilds are fair and never do favoritism with loot /sarcasm off

 

[TTL 6]

44 minutes ago, szuszak said:

 

Depends who is running them honestly. DKP guilds are more structured around pleasing loot whores as that is what matters most to DKP guilds and a lot of members of these guilds wouldn't be there unless each one knew they could stick their hand in the cookie jar. Most LC guilds place the loot on the classes it should go to the best they can and rewarding people based on their performance/effort etc. which DKP guilds in general don't do.

Also gearing up the proper classes & people will make future raid content like AQ40 much easier, if you have 5 feral druids whom took 1/2 the acurria drops because they have no loot to bid on then that will hurt your best dps (rogues/warriors) but to each their own.

It just seems like a misunderstanding here that came off shady due to the long delay in loot and the guy felt screwed over when it didn't go his way. I've met many people from this guild and they all seem like great people so I really don't believe there was anything going on here.

[szuszak 2]

tbh seems to me like someone getting butthurt over 1 person shit talking him for being a lootwhore that gquits if he dsnt get every piece of loot he wants

than putting blame on a guild that did nothing wrong 

 

@TTL

sure if you want loot council guild - you join loot council guild - not a dkp guild and than make a post like this one

and yeah not sure why would you even say anything about 5  feral druids - i think you understand raid composition - 1 feral druid is quite good in a raid - i don't think a guild that hopes to go past bwl would bring more than 1 feral

[Jaspher 0]

When you have 14 or so bids coming in, it can get a little crazy to make sure all the bids are accounted for. Anybody that has ran DKP for a bunch of people can attest that sometimes there are mistakes made and that's where people can call out and challenge (which happened).

Unfortunately on my part, I expressed "all in" at the very beginning while almost everyone else bid an actual number. After the winning bid was announced, I did speak up and challenge "Rofl, did you calculate my DKP correctly?"  because I knew I should have had over 300 DKP and the winning bid was only 280. That is when "silence" ensued because the officer handling the bids for the item was double checking to see if I posted my bid before it closed. If you put in more DKP than I did, the ring would have been yours without a doubt.

Roflkopterr even sent you a screenshot showing my all-in bid right after I made the announcement to send bids.

The same ring dropped the week before and I went all-in and lost to our Main tank who bid more. Why on earth would I stop going all in on the best upgrade for a feral druid? You knew my bid should have been all-in like it was the week before.

DKP is a flawed system. To help offset it we tend to use a MS>OS ruling to help make sure that gear gets to where it will be used to greatest effect. However, a side effect of that is that tanks end up with a metric shit ton of extra DKP compared to the rest of the raid because MT usually gets all upgrades first (progression and whatnot) followed by off tanks for min bids.

Tanks have an overabundance of DKP in comparison to dps who are usually bidding up to a week's worth of DKP for a single item. Band of Accuria is a great example as it is great for MT threat generation we had the bid open to tanks even though the item is just as fabulous for physical dps as it opens up other upgrade options by providing 2% hit as well as being a badass ring itself.

Fun Note: If you were to approach this from a Loot Council perspective, after the MT gets one it should be reserved for physical dps. Rogues/Fury warrs would be the optimal choice over an OT. So you would have been damned from the ring completely if it was to be a loot council without corruption.

[Jaspher 0]

Also the first screenshot was Werdum saying congrats to Larauna getting the ring after Niak posted in raid that anybody not bidding over 300 DKP was going to lose to Larauna. Funny how that got "missed" by your screenshots. Rofl was most likely not paying attention to chat while making sure all DKP bids were accurate otherwise he might have gone back to double check for my bid.

Note: The reason Rofl was having to double check the DKP was because the addon he was using did not properly show the DKP for a previous member. So he was having to hard check each member against the website.

Edited August 14, 2017 by Jaspher
Why DKP took so damn long

[Downcast 0]

Really dude? Is this post even necessary? We helped you out a bunch, you got outbid on an item and lost, so you rage quit the guild.

Like someone above had said, when you're getting spammed bids by 15+ people it gets a little hectic, especially when someone says 'All in' rather than a solid number, it takes a moment to get a hold of all of the bids.

Larauna didn't get this because he is an officer, he got this because he outbid you, and that's how DKP works.

To everyone else, yes we have a feral druid, who cares, a lot of guilds use one, this content is not hard.

 

I apologize if you feel cheated, but you got outbid, and Roflkopterr has screenshots to prove it that Larauna said 'All in'.

So let me clear this up really quick: 360 is greater than 280, correct? If it was a true 'ninja' wouldn't it have gone to the bidder behind you, that Roflkopterr asked you for understanding in the situation for (Arvyn)? It went to a completely different person, that bid before you from my understanding, a higher number. Tell me how this is a ninja - I'll wait.

Anyways, it's Vanilla, don't be so loot greedy, anyone would be happy to get six pieces of loot (plus crafted) in five weeks.

[homu2 1]

Some shady shit is going on here. You still can't explain properly why this ring was rolled almost for 10 minutes(enough time to "fix" your dkp list). I'm pretty sure you just screwed the guy with loot to give it to a noob no geared officer who is playing a dead spec and probably is a girl.

[Dunkz 1]

"Closed/hidden dkp bids".. this guild is a joke. The amount of officer coruption / loot whoring and dkp manipulation is absurd. Can't believe I actually willingly played with them.

[Downcast 0]

13 minutes ago, homu2 said:

Some shady shit is going on here. You still can't explain properly why this ring has been rolled almost for 10 minutes. But I'm pretty sure you just screwed the guy with loot to give it to a noob no geared officer who is playing a dead spec and probably is a girl.

Read my post please. Also, if you update peoples DKP it'll show it in the logs as an award, so you can't just secretly give people DKP.

Dunkz isn't even worth responding to, legit spastic.

 

[rockdoc 1]

How can you claim DKP manipulation when the DKP system shows an accounting of where all of the DKP gained came from, and where all of it was spent? 

 

Though I'm not entirely surprised hearing paranoid delusions coming from a guy that takes this game so seriously and is so insecure that he controls who his girlfriend can or can't talk to in-game. 

[homu2 1]

13 минуты назад, Downcast сказал:

Read my post please.

 

You still can't explain properly why this ring was rolled almost for 10 minutes

[Dunkzz 2]

17 minutes ago, rockdoc said:

How can you claim DKP manipulation when the DKP system shows an accounting of where all of the DKP gained came from, and where all of it was spent? 

 

Though I'm not entirely surprised hearing paranoid delusions coming from a guy that takes this game so seriously and is so insecure that he controls who his girlfriend can or can't talk to in-game. 

Shes my GF I can control her how I want.

[Dunkzz 2]

2 minutes ago, homu2 said:

You still can't explain properly why this ring was rolled almost for 10 minutes

Actually he did.

"Like someone above had said, when you're getting spammed bids by 15+ people it gets a little hectic, especially when someone says 'All in' rather than a solid number, it takes a moment to get a hold of all of the bids." 

 

L2read pleb.

[Dunkzz 2]

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[Dunkzz 2]

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[homu2 1]

3 минуты назад, Dunkzz сказал:

Actually he did.

"Like someone above had said, when you're getting spammed bids by 15+ people it gets a little hectic, especially when someone says 'All in' rather than a solid number, it takes a moment to get a hold of all of the bids." 

 

L2read pleb.

Maybe you should l2read first the whole thread. OP was announced as winner only then this long dkp rechecking has started.  No doubt - officer dkp abuse.

[Jaspher 0]

I mentioned earlier that the addon that was assisting with DKP had a glitch and so the officer handling the DKP had to cross check every person's DKP and make sure that a) they had enough for the bid and b) some didn't know theirs and he had to look it up and, in both cases, take into account any adjustments made earlier for loot handouts on previous bosses.

~1-2 minutes, open bid for everyone.

~ 4-5 minutes in it was announced the winning bid. I challenged and a minute later, after verifying I put in my bid during the bid time, and confirming my current DKP amount it was then announced it went to Larauna

~7 minutes 15 or so seconds after the corrected winner is announced the ring was awarded.