<Breakthrough> Ninja Looting DKP Guild

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1 minute ago, Hurricane2 said:

I agree with you about the OP, he is an idiot (though his idiocy could have been mitigated with public bids).  As for players hustling other players in a public auction I still don't see how that would work based on your example as the risk of bidding on something you don't want would prohibit inflating how much an item goes for.  Public auction dkp is simple supply and demand economics.  High demand/low supply items go for a lot and high supply/low demand items go for very little.  

I understand where you're coming from completely and don't disagree with it, but 90% of the decisions we make in Breakthrough we make as a guild, through polls, etc, because I like to keep everyone involved, this is just how we do it. Like I said I don't expect to change anyone's mind, it's just how we do things!

[Oakenlix 79]

1 hour ago, Hurricane2 said:

I agree with you about the OP, he is an idiot (though his idiocy could have been mitigated with public bids).  As for players hustling other players in a public auction I still don't see how that would work based on your example as the risk of bidding on something you don't want would prohibit inflating how much an item goes for.  Public auction dkp is simple supply and demand economics.  High demand/low supply items go for a lot and high supply/low demand items go for very little.  

If you know only one person needs an item a lot, you can make him pay more than he could have otherwise by bidding youself even if you dont need the item. Its not really a supply/demand economics.

Thats what they are trying to avoid.

[Exviper 1]

4 hours ago, Downcast said:

I understand where you're coming from completely and don't disagree with it, but 90% of the decisions we make in Breakthrough we make as a guild, through polls, etc, because I like to keep everyone involved, this is just how we do it. Like I said I don't expect to change anyone's mind, it's just how we do things!

Decisions made in this guild are done by the officers alone and for the officers benefit,  Don't try to say otherwise.  Just another name to add to the long list of people who have a problem with breakthrough. I think it's funny to see other players post the same issues with you guys, Favoritism/ false dkp system/ poor leadership, I wasn't surprised to see this post and I'm sure it won't be the last time a post like this gets made about breakthrough.  It's unfortunate cause there are a lot of good players there.

[Arvyn 2]

1 minute ago, Exviper said:

Decisions made in this guild are done by the officers alone and for the officers benefit,  Don't try to say otherwise.  Just another name to add to the long list of people who have a problem with breakthrough. I think it's funny to see other players post the same issues with you guys, Favoritism/ false dkp system/ poor leadership, I wasn't surprised to see this post and I'm sure it won't be the last time a post like this gets made about breakthrough.  It's unfortunate cause there are a lot of good players there.

Simply not true. You must not have read the raider / backup raider / loot rules post very well. The "long" list of ppl is about rounded up now with you as the 4th and last. 

[Exviper 1]

I'll relink this in the next post about brealthrough. 

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20 minutes ago, Exviper said:

Decisions made in this guild are done by the officers alone and for the officers benefit,  Don't try to say otherwise.  Just another name to add to the long list of people who have a problem with breakthrough. I think it's funny to see other players post the same issues with you guys, Favoritism/ false dkp system/ poor leadership, I wasn't surprised to see this post and I'm sure it won't be the last time a post like this gets made about breakthrough.  It's unfortunate cause there are a lot of good players there.

Yeah you're right man, you were totally right we should have given all of our cores to you for rep so you could craft your PvP maces instead of getting Nightfall plans etc, since you were such a dedicated member that raided like five times in the 6 months you were in the guild. Since we didn't do this, we favored other professions and that's unacceptable. Breakthrough got rid of you for stirring up drama, you didn't get rid of Breakthrough.

[rockdoc 1]

19 minutes ago, Exviper said:

Decisions made in this guild are done by the officers alone and for the officers benefit,  Don't try to say otherwise.  Just another name to add to the long list of people who have a problem with breakthrough. I think it's funny to see other players post the same issues with you guys, Favoritism/ false dkp system/ poor leadership, I wasn't surprised to see this post and I'm sure it won't be the last time a post like this gets made about breakthrough.  It's unfortunate cause there are a lot of good players there.

How boy, how did I know you'd turn up here? 

First off this guy is extremely butthurt that the guild didn't fund his personal crusade to get exalted with the Thorium Brotherhood to craft ebon hand(s). Nobody in the guild asked or required him to raise his rep to make these items, but he continually bitched in gchat for days or a week+ that the guild wouldn't give him fiery/lava cores to do it. 

That's what his whole beef stems from, that the guild wouldn't give thousands of gold worth of cores to a whiny rogue who had done a handful of raids for his pvp maces that eat shadow vuln charges when they proc.

[Exviper 1]

Oh look another officer. It's cool guys everyone that played with me knows what went on. You guys just try to cover up the shady stuff you do. No worries guys it will continue to show up in the forums.  You guys still using your main characters dkp to deck out your alts.

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4 minutes ago, Exviper said:

Oh look another officer. It's cool guys everyone that played with me knows what went on. You guys just try to cover up the shady stuff you do. No worries guys it will continue to show up in the forums.  You guys still using your main characters dkp to deck out your alts.

LOL where are you getting this from? That's not even close to true, every single alt has it's own DKP pile, you can see this on the webdkp website, it's open to everyone. Next?

[Hurricane2 2]

58 minutes ago, Exviper said:

You guys still using your main characters dkp to deck out your alts.

Whether true or not, what would be the problem with that?

[ntmasta 0]

<Rise> (8/8 BWL 1/2 WBoss) has a steady stream of recruitment from this direction-- if interested.

[szuszak 2]

yep lol

all the shit that gets kicked from Breakthrough piles up in rise its glorious

so far they got 3

some druid drunkz and his gf

hopefully exviper maico and majster would join them 

that total on 6 ppl that Breakthrough wants nothing to do with 

but i predict there will be quite a bit of drama in rise soon lol

 

[Maico 1]

On 8/21/2017 at 11:41 AM, szuszak said:

yep lol

all the shit that gets kicked from Breakthrough piles up in rise its glorious

so far they got 3

some druid drunkz and his gf

hopefully exviper maico and majster would join them 

that total on 6 ppl that Breakthrough wants nothing to do with 

but i predict there will be quite a bit of drama in rise soon lol

 

I predict more whining on a topic that prior to that funny post from Rise, had died 8 days ago lol.

[Elysiumtryhard 0]

It says the guy got it with 360 DKP which is higher than your 280? I dont see the issue here

[TTL 6]

On 8/15/2017 at 7:31 AM, Oakenlix said:

If you know only one person needs an item a lot, you can make him pay more than he could have otherwise by bidding youself even if you dont need the item. Its not really a supply/demand economics.

Thats what they are trying to avoid.

This is why we got rid of DKP in my guild. We tried it for the sake of being fair and open to everyone but honestly it's a brutal pain in the ass and has so many flaws.
You have to micromanage it so hard to ensure it's being fair, otherwise hunters/druids/sp are getting all the phat loot over others whom benefit from it more, or you have to add Loot Priority to every single item (or set prices) just to improve it.

Going Loot Council just make it simple and one of the best things that come out of it is promoting people to do better in raids for loot no different than if someone is wanting a promotion IRL they need to work for it. When in DKP you can play like trash and still get rewarded equally which is one of the hardest parts of DKP that I struggled with personally.

We eventually changed, and no one quit the guild over it and I wouldn't have cared if some did as it just weeds out the type of people I believe are wrongly suited for decent guilds.

As to Hurricane2

Adding Loot Priority & Blind Bids to DKP is very good, it somewhat keeps the gear where it should be going and people value the items at what they really value them at, giving a clear winner of who wanted it more. Not only that but you prevent any form of abuse with people bidding each other up on purpose just to make another lose DKP they wouldn't have otherwise lost. At the end of the day, it's all a clusterfuck and gets on the borderline of loot obsessive which is why Loot Council is ultimately better in so many ways granted you have decent people with a decent IQ running the Council.

[Hurricane2 2]

I've played in dkp guilds for years and have never encountered this players bidding on items they don't want to inflate the price scenario.  I guess I've been lucky in that regard.

I'm not saying dkp is perfect or that loot council is vastly inferior.  I just think dkp is more efficient and sorts out who deserves loot more effectively in the long run based on my experiences with both.

I don't disagree with some items needing class priority.

Yes some people just show up and put in a minimal effort but any competent leadership will notice that and remove them from the guild.

[Yep 0]

loot council best council kek kek

[Justme 9]

11 hours ago, Hurricane2 said:

I've played in dkp guilds for years and have never encountered this players bidding on items they don't want to inflate the price scenario.  I guess I've been lucky in that regard.

I'm not saying dkp is perfect or that loot council is vastly inferior.  I just think dkp is more efficient and sorts out who deserves loot more effectively in the long run based on my experiences with both.

I don't disagree with some items needing class priority.

Yes some people just show up and put in a minimal effort but any competent leadership will notice that and remove them from the guild.

or you just didn't notice it or played a lucky class. It's very common for mages to do this

[flowqz 34]

4 hours ago, Justme said:

or you just didn't notice it or played a lucky class. It's very common for mages to do this

actually in dkp guilds hunters should dominate and get all the rings/trinkets etc.

[Allerius 0]

I see lots of ppl. from Breakthrough afking whole battlegrounds with move-macro usage - some for hours - you can't really blame the Guild itself for that but it surely means that you have some shady individuals in there.

- they've got reported by me and others with screenshots-

no hard feelings towards you as a guild yet

[Yeahbuddy 0]

Bump

[Ravid 8]

Breakthrough is a cuck guild filled with cucks.

[flowqz 34]

4 minutes ago, Ravid said:

Breakthrough is a cuck guild filled with cucks.

so they can fuck each others wifes / gfs. sounds like a perfect meetingspot for fun.

[Ravid 8]

2 minutes ago, flowqz said:

so they can fuck each others wifes / gfs. sounds like a perfect meetingspot for fun.

Swingers =/= cucks. 

[Ravid 8]

On 8/14/2017 at 9:31 AM, Dunkz said:

"Closed/hidden dkp bids".. this guild is a joke. The amount of officer coruption / loot whoring and dkp manipulation is absurd. Can't believe I actually willingly played with them.

Every time I see this guild they give me shit because way back we parted ways.

Tbh I hardly remember these guys, just their name. Whatever the reason was, to have a community that encourages flaming someone 6 months after they leave is childish; at this point all they are is toxic. Throw in this shady shit and there's no reason left to be a part of this guild.

Keep a wide berth.