Whens fresh start server?

[terrorclaw143 0]

When will the new server begin? I will not try to offend the dev team, but you guys really did screw over your loyal Elysium players here by freezing them and by starting to x-fer the nost core and characters...

 

But now, no progression we make matters and there's nothing to play. So when exactly will the fresh server begin? When the Nost characters are available or what? 

 

You guys weren't very clear on this. 

[Tefnek 2]

I just want to address something that I think is a misunderstanding.

 

For the Elysium Devs to install the source code from Nost, they have to do this, the only other option is completely bringing the servers offline, so I believe this may be the better option. Just remember that the Nost Source is going to greatly improve Elysium, so the time it does take will be well worth it, the Nostalrius code is the best ever written for a private server, which is one of the reasons why it was so vehemently taken down by Blizzard.

 

I agree with you that it was not very clear and I would also like a clearly stated timeline.

[Hellford 0]

When will the new server begin? I will not try to offend the dev team, but you guys really did screw over your loyal Elysium players here by freezing them and by starting to x-fer the nost core and characters...

 

But now, no progression we make matters and there's nothing to play. So when exactly will the fresh server begin? When the Nost characters are available or what? 

 

You guys weren't very clear on this. 

Enjoy a few days off

[weed 1]

I'd suggest stress testing what you can but don't make an official release date, setup the new server with nost coding and then just release it at a time when most people are sleeping, every single time a small group tries a massive release like this it becomes a shitshow that usually ends in taking the server down for days or weeks after that point. Just make it a silent release or say something on twitter after you put the server up and let it grow more naturally, everyone will get the news within a few hours or days of it coming up and the server won't get фекал on with 50,000 people trying to login and grab their name at the same time.

 

Nost is backing this and articles have already been written and published, a smooth launch is much more important to you than making a huge spectacle out of it.

[dende 2]

I'd suggest stress testing what you can but don't make an official release date, setup the new server with nost coding and then just release it at a time when most people are sleeping, every single time a small group tries a massive release like this it becomes a shitshow that usually ends in taking the server down for days or weeks after that point. Just make it a silent release or say something on twitter after you put the server up and let it grow more naturally, everyone will get the news within a few hours or days of it coming up and the server won't get фекал on with 50,000 people trying to login and grab their name at the same time.

 

Nost is backing this and articles have already been written and published, a smooth launch is much more important to you than making a huge spectacle out of it.

yes

[meddlingmage 3]

Enjoy a few days off

Months*

[Shayss 43]

Months*

 

Rip, but hey, the payoff is a playerbase. Last time I checked having players on your server is a good thing.

[chilaverde 0]

Months*

they can repeat Kronos mistake. if they wait too long, CF can be first and all player base ll go there. At least to check how good is it.

[Topkek 13]

I'd suggest stress testing what you can but don't make an official release date, setup the new server with nost coding and then just release it at a time when most people are sleeping, every single time a small group tries a massive release like this it becomes a shitshow that usually ends in taking the server down for days or weeks after that point. Just make it a silent release or say something on twitter after you put the server up and let it grow more naturally, everyone will get the news within a few hours or days of it coming up and the server won't get фекал on with 50,000 people trying to login and grab their name at the same time.

 

Nost is backing this and articles have already been written and published, a smooth launch is much more important to you than making a huge spectacle out of it.Ç

 

You cant launch the server at the night without date when are a bunch of people waiting for 7 months, are you crazy??

[Docholy 4]

Is this a running gag? I swear it is,  are people really taking the  CBF attitude about reading announcements?

[weed 1]

You cant launch the server at the night without date when are a bunch of people waiting for 7 months, are you crazy??

Not sure if you're drunk or trolling but what you said makes no sense and what I said made complete sense. Best of luck to you figuring this crazy world out.

[Tjaz 11]

Can someone help me here, why would this take months instead of weeks?

[Undertanker 88]

Can someone help me here, why would this take months instead of weeks?

 

More information will be released Sunday.

[Hellford 0]

Not sure if you're drunk or trolling but what you said makes no sense and what I said made complete sense. Best of luck to you figuring this crazy world out.

In a world where everything is written in short form.. how can you not understand what he was trying to say?

 

He's right.

[hakoon 3]

As I said in the announcement thread, a fresh start server WILL KILL all others older servers (former Valkyrie servers, as well as former Nost pvp AND pve server AND both Kronos servers) , exactly like the release of Kronos 2 server did to Kronos 1 (which right before the release of K2, had a high population due to the shut down of Nostalrius).

 

Kronos team completely overestimated the Hype of the Nost refugees wave (obviously it cooled off by a lot which i guess they did no expect it at that degree) and it let Kronos 1 without any new players injection to keep it alive and eventually, only lvl 60 kept logging in. Everything prior lvl 60 became empty. (I know for a fact as I had a lvl 52 there that I eventually abandoned due to the low population crisis (I will even say lack of population at all). Which forced us to start again on K2 just for the fact of playing with an acceptable population basis.

 

Fresh start only serves the new incoming players but at the detriment of all olders players from both former Nost servers, former Valkyrie's servers AND Kronos servers. That new Elysium server will bank on approximately 70% of the whole World playerbase of vanilla players completely eating on the other servers.  I would say it's a very good business decision, but we are talking about private non-business and entirely free Elysium/Nost project. So there is no gain by killing off old Nostalrius former pvp server or Kronos servers (their characters shop is not popular enough that we can say it's a profitable business for Twinstar). 

 

I'm not saying I am right and that I can foresee exactly what will happen, but the fate of Kronos 1 after Kronos 2 opened is a very good exemple of what a similar decision caused to a older server that had very high population prior the release of that new server (k2). 

 

Ofc, new players don't care. But all others don't !

[Pottu 290]

K2 had a very poor launch. Kronos had a questionable reputation anyway, due to their cash shop and account selling. Their own population was not enough to sustain two realms and they did not gain the majority of Nostalrius refugees. Yes, many Nostalrius players went there but not all, nowhere near.

 

Nostalrius had 130 000 accounts active in the last 10 days. Thanks to all the attention the Legacy movement gained after Nostalrius shutdown, that number is going to be higher rather than lower when we launch. Yes, some old players will not return but that loss is easily offset by the influx of new players.

 

Some observers make the mistake of thinking that because the old PvP realm had peaks around 14 000 concurrent players and the PvE realm had peaks around 4 500 concurrent players, that the total amount of Nostalrius players was around 18 000. That is not true at all. Nobody plays 24/7. To have a PvP realm never go below 6 000 players at any time of the day, means that there is a vastly larger group of players who log-in to play. How many players did Nostalrius really have? There is no absolutely correct answer, because some players had more than one active account. But it was vastly more than that combined peak of 18 - 19 thousand concurrent players.

 

Nostalrius gained more players all the time, despite the notorious turnover rate of vanilla WoW and MMOs in general. These players did not care that they could not start on a fresh realm. Perhaps they did not really have a choice - but they will not have a choice a month after release either, because the fresh start realm of ours will not be 100% fresh at that point either.

 

What I'm trying to say here is that I understand your concern but that it is overblown. There were dozens of guilds ready for the War Effort and AQ40, most of whom will return to continue their progression. Properly working AQ40 is a rarity on private servers. Note, I'm not claiming that our AQ40 will be perfect, just that we're aiming to have as Blizzlike and proper AQ40 as possible. Certainly majority of the new players will go to the fresh start realm. But we had the population base to support 2 PvP and 1 PvE realm before the shutdown and now there are more interested players than what we had back in April. 

[Shaylin 6]

K2 had a very poor launch. Kronos had a questionable reputation anyway, due to their cash shop and account selling. Their own population was not enough to sustain two realms and they did not gain the majority of Nostalrius refugees. Yes, many Nostalrius players went there but not all, nowhere near.

 

Nostalrius had 130 000 accounts active in the last 10 days. Thanks to all the attention the Legacy movement gained after Nostalrius shutdown, that number is going to be higher rather than lower when we launch. Yes, some old players will not return but that loss is easily offset by the influx of new players.

 

Some observers make the mistake of thinking that because the old PvP realm had peaks around 14 000 concurrent players and the PvE realm had peaks around 4 500 concurrent players, that the total amount of Nostalrius players was around 18 000. That is not true at all. Nobody plays 24/7. To have a PvP realm never go below 6 000 players at any time of the day, means that there is a vastly larger group of players who log-in to play. How many players did Nostalrius really have? There is no absolutely correct answer, because some players had more than one active account. But it was vastly more than that combined peak of 18 - 19 thousand concurrent players.

 

Nostalrius gained more players all the time, despite the notorious turnover rate of vanilla WoW and MMOs in general. These players did not care that they could not start on a fresh realm. Perhaps they did not really have a choice - but they will not have a choice a month after release either, because the fresh start realm of ours will not be 100% fresh at that point either.

 

What I'm trying to say here is that I understand your concern but that it is overblown. There were dozens of guilds ready for the War Effort and AQ40, most of whom will return to continue their progression. Properly working AQ40 is a rarity on private servers. Note, I'm not claiming that our AQ40 will be perfect, just that we're aiming to have as Blizzlike and proper AQ40 as possible. Certainly majority of the new players will go to the fresh start realm. But we had the population base to support 2 PvP and 1 PvE realm before the shutdown and now there are more interested players than what we had back in April. 

 

FINALLY, someone with understanding and knowledge on the subject. Thanks Pottu for delivering a clear and concise statement on the subject.

 

He's right though, Kronos was a terrible launch because its run by people who want to make money off a market that is desperately wanting a stable place to play. Right now its probably the closet thing to Nost we have at the moment and this launch is going to be 10x better than Kronos because Nost already knows how to handle such a large population.

[hakoon 3]

K2 had a very poor launch. Kronos had a questionable reputation anyway, due to their cash shop and account selling. Their own population was not enough to sustain two realms and they did not gain the majority of Nostalrius refugees. Yes, many Nostalrius players went there but not all, nowhere near.

 

Nostalrius had 130 000 accounts active in the last 10 days. Thanks to all the attention the Legacy movement gained after Nostalrius shutdown, that number is going to be higher rather than lower when we launch. Yes, some old players will not return but that loss is easily offset by the influx of new players.

 

Some observers make the mistake of thinking that because the old PvP realm had peaks around 14 000 concurrent players and the PvE realm had peaks around 4 500 concurrent players, that the total amount of Nostalrius players was around 18 000. That is not true at all. Nobody plays 24/7. To have a PvP realm never go below 6 000 players at any time of the day, means that there is a vastly larger group of players who log-in to play. How many players did Nostalrius really have? There is no absolutely correct answer, because some players had more than one active account. But it was vastly more than that combined peak of 18 - 19 thousand concurrent players.

 

Nostalrius gained more players all the time, despite the notorious turnover rate of vanilla WoW and MMOs in general. These players did not care that they could not start on a fresh realm. Perhaps they did not really have a choice - but they will not have a choice a month after release either, because the fresh start realm of ours will not be 100% fresh at that point either.

 

What I'm trying to say here is that I understand your concern but that it is overblown. There were dozens of guilds ready for the War Effort and AQ40, most of whom will return to continue their progression. Properly working AQ40 is a rarity on private servers. Note, I'm not claiming that our AQ40 will be perfect, just that we're aiming to have as Blizzlike and proper AQ40 as possible. Certainly majority of the new players will go to the fresh start realm. But we had the population base to support 2 PvP and 1 PvE realm before the shutdown and now there are more interested players than what we had back in April. 

 

 

Hi Pottu, thank you for taking the time o answer to my post and concerns.

 

I do agree with you that former Nost had an enormous playerbases in order to have a constant 6k (at least) players online at the same time 24/24.  What was cool in that time is that all level brackets and zones were very populated so finding groups was really easy.  And yes, there was enough population to split that server in two, and makes it two distinct PVP servers of high population.

 

However, what Elysium is offering isnt to split the Nost PVP population in two, but to directly open a brand new server with no already lvl 60 players. My concerns is mainly regarding population of players prio to lvl 60. Yes I also agree with you that a lot of high end guilds will want to continue their progress where they were at, (AQ, MC, BWL, etc) instead of starting off from scratch. 

 

But like you also mentioned here : ''Certainly majority of the new players will go to the fresh start realm.''  is exactly what I'm worried with. We do not wish that the old PVP realm is high populated of lvl 60 players. We want it to be as balanced as it used to be, from lvl 1 to 60.  With a new fresh server, all new players will simply start on that one instead of the old Nost realms. Which is exactly create a gab in the population,  high population of lvl 60, very low population prior to 60 which will cause players to have huge issues for finding a group for dungeons such as Deadmines, WC, RFK, etc, etc. I don't think that's what everybody wants.

 

I would have no problem if you would split up the current pvp nost database to equally spread it on both pvp realms. (still keeping intact each guilds ofc), that would not create a ''fresh new realm'' for new comers therefore those new players would start their char on oneor another of both servers. but I know that solution isn't really possible. Therefore, new realm will have a well balanced populations from lvl 1 to 60, while old PVP nost realm will be high population on paper, but mostly at lvl 60. 

 

I just hope I dont know what im talking about and I will be wrong. 

[Docholy 4]

I'm starting to think most of these people are Kronos and other server shills paid via in game store cross faction mounts.  "Hey Timmy, want a Raptor for your alliance dwarf?  Just go to the forums try and scare people.  

Edited November 10, 2016 by Pottu
Removed RL political stuff

[Shaylin 6]

@Hakoon, I get where you are coming from when you say you wish the old data would not be split. A lot of people are thinking that in regards to server population (which btw they hype is even more so now since its coming back) will not truly diminish. Those who want to stay with their already geared toons, will, and there will be plenty of people rolling on the established old data servers as well because they do not want to deal with the BS of a new server, everyone tagging everything and not being able to kill or do anything at all for the first few weeks.

 

So if the old established server is up and running as well, some people will want to roll there and have a better quality of life then having to fight 1500 people trying to get the same mobs

[maverick 11]

In a world where everything is written in short form.. how can you not understand what he was trying to say?

 

He's right.

weed is right, your gona have a shitshow read what the guy said jesus christ some people lack common sense 

[Undertanker 88]

I find the need to point out with the Kronos server, while Nost refugees where going there; the K1 population was insane even after the K-2 announcement.    The 2 week DDOS killed it and turned what would have been a much larger influx of new players away and to look at new projects such as Play-tbc, LFG and simply wait out the Blizz standoff. 

[Shaylin 6]

The DDoS on Kronos was HORRENDOUS, and tanker is right yet again. That's what killed my interest in Kronos for a good long while. I was up to level 30 leveling pretty decently on K1, then the DDoS hit and I went to another server, dabbled on a Wotlk server for a bit before coming back to Kronos again.

 

But by then, the damage was already done. The DDoS set back what would have been a humongous population on both servers because of the attacks against them and they had no protection nor understanding of how to stop or rectify it. By the time it was said and done, it pretty much killed any momentum that most of the community was gone at that point.

[hakoon 3]

You guys might be right about the DDoS I guess. I was not playing when it happened, so all I saw when I came back from my tryhard time at Hearthstone was the K1 population was gone, therefore I assumed it was because most players lvl 50 and lower migrated to K2 and all new players influx just prefered to roll on that new server which is common sense. 

 

Therefore, my fear comes from there. As long as that new server doesnt sux up the majority of new players and old players away from both already established PVP/PVE Nost realm, I will be very happy. Because I am one of the Nost player who want to resume with my old lvl 41 character. Therefore, I would HATE to see all new players and most players below lvl 50/60 to start fresh which would cause a shortage of population prior lvl 60 with a medium population due to all those old players resuming with their lvl 60s. 

 

And no, to answer someone else saying we are from Kronos trying to fear everybody, I for sure I'm not. I indeed play on K2 now but I will be VERY HAPPY to come back to my lvl 41 warrior which I always missed since Nost shut down.

 

Getting a very low pop because of the new server, would instead prevent me to come back, low population = no fun. That's what Nost was all about : huge and great community. I loved when there was 6k players online at the same time. Dont care if killing NPC quests took forever, at least the whole realm felt so alive it was amazing. 

[Tijn 0]

I agree the DDoS attacks destroyed the Kronos population. 1/2 the population never came back plus even more left because of the huge lag problems afterwards too.