Shadow Priest Theorycraft by Killerduki

[killerduki 54]

Yes, as I've already explained multiple times.

 

You see, in your calculations there is "Wand Damage and Idle Mana".

 

When you compare 2 stats, Wand and Idle is not part of comparing the 2 stats.

 

Intellect vs Spell Power is Int vs Spell Power , not Intellect vs Wand, idle regen and Spell Power.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 10, 2016 by killerduki

[Bezawit 0]

Why wand over rank1? Rank1 MF will do more dps with spellpower and keep Shadow Weaving up until your potion/rune comes off cooldown.

Edited December 10, 2016 by Bezawit

[Phnom 1]

You see, in your calculations there is "Wand Damage and Idle Mana".

 

When you compare 2 stats, Wand and Idle is not part of comparing the 2 stats.

 

Intellect vs Spell Power is Int vs Spell Power , not Intellect vs Wand, idle regen and Spell Power.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Killerduki, why wouldn't you compare wanding and idle regen in this situation? It's the realistic one isn't it? You just shot down a theory of "UNLIMITED MANA" cause you thought THAT was unrealistic!

[Maxvla 0]

It is not intellect vs spell power, wand and regen.

It is intellect, wand and regen vs spell power, wand and regen. They are being fairly compared.

I am simulating a real fight with real talents,real buffs, real debuffs.

[Shayss 43]

Agreed. At this point I just kinda want to keep it going to see what he comes up with next. Haha

 

This thread is a testament to his failings. He can't, and won't, stop. If he does it means that he would be admitting he is wrong, and at this point he has gone too far down the rabbit hole to redeem himself. Even though he has been proven wrong he will continue to make up different theories all based off flawed theorycrafting ...

 

Spell Hit > Spell Power > Mana per 5 sec. > Intellect > Spell Crit >= Spirit

 

/Thread.

Edited December 10, 2016 by Shayss

[femdead 0]

 

Good luck with Spell Penalty for Rank 1 Mind Flay which is by miles lower DPS than Max Rank.

 

Are you really still under the impression that Rank 1 Mind Flay has a different damage coefficient than other ranks of Mind Flay?

[Maxvla 0]

Oh God, please don't reopen that can of worms.

[cryofsorrow 5]

[vanillalord 0]

i wonder if killerduki will ever play a proper spec and if he will ever get his english in check to understand points. anyway, /kind regards vanillalord and also check my youtube where i have 1000 pointless videos with tons of dislikes and under 100 views

[gotmilk0112 10]

spellpower coefficient penalty for low ranks?

 

That shìt wasn't implemented until patch 2.0.1 ya dingus.

 

Lock this thread, the fanatical paladin main has no ваууing idea what he's talking about. Or better yet, delete it so that players who are new to the class are not misled by his insane ramblings.

Edited December 10, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[killerduki 54]

spellpower coefficient penalty for low ranks?

 

That shìt wasn't implemented until patch 2.0.1 ya dingus.

 

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Spell_power?oldid=347424

 

Revision as of 19:01, November 29, 2006

 

- Penalty Rules Spells learned before level 20

 

- Additional effects (even higher than level 20)

 

Spells with additional effects (like slow) get a 5% penalty to benefit. This penalty is applied before other penalties and to the base calculation for the spell.

((Cast Time of Spell / 3.5 ) * .95 Penalty for extra effect) / 3 = Benefit 

Examples of these spells include: Entangling Roots (Druid), Mind Flay (Priest), Blast Wave (Mage)

 

(Each time you clip Mind Flay regardless of what Rank, it will have Penalty thanks to Slow Effect).

 

The TBC Penalty is completely different than the explanation written ,the difference from Vanilla, TBC Penalty is :

 

Note in the burning crusade and/or patch 2.0 spell with a spell level under your own level of at least 6, will get an extra penality. Note that the spell level for this case doesn't equal level at which the spell is learned, it is usually 5-10 levels higher than that, generally determined by level until which spell scales as you level.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 10, 2016 by killerduki

[Theloras 108]

spellpower coefficient penalty for low ranks?

 

That shìt wasn't implemented until patch 2.0.1 ya dingus.

 

Lock this thread, the fanatical paladin main has no ваууing idea what he's talking about. Or better yet, delete it so that players who are new to the class are not misled by his insane ramblings.

 

What Duki said above ^^^ original downranking was penalized during Vanilla not the prepatch for TBC

 

The only one that doesn't fall into that category iirc is Blessing of Light - it will still grant the full +Healing to either Flash of Light or Holy Light regardless of rank used:

 

Patch 2.3.0 (2007-11-13):  [blessing of Light]: Lower ranks of Flash of Light and  [Holy Light] are now properly penalized when used with this Blessing.

Edited December 10, 2016 by Theloras

[femdead 0]

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Spell_power?oldid=347424

 

Revision as of 19:01, November 29, 2006

Penalty Rules Spells learned before level 20

 

 

Rank 1 Mind Flay is learnt at level 20, not before level 20. You are willfully spreading misinformation.

 

[killerduki 54]

Rank 1 Mind Flay is learnt at level 20, not before level 20. You are willfully spreading misinformation.

 

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Spell_power?oldid=347424

 

- Penalty Rules Spells learned before level 20

 

And

 

- Additional effects (even higher than level 20)

 

Spells with additional effects (like slow) get a 5% penalty to benefit. This penalty is applied before other penalties and to the base calculation for the spell.

 

Are 2 different things and have different Penalty's. (They don't fall under the same cathegory).

 

Only because Mind Flay have "Additional effects" it have 5% Penalty .

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 10, 2016 by killerduki

[Maxvla 0]

Sigh, here we go again.

Mindflay is learned at level 20 and is thus, not subject to the level 20 rule.

Mindflay has a custom coefficient of 45.8% which does not follow any rules (hence custom).

Since it is a custom coefficient, the 5% snare penalty is already applied.

There are no penalties in effect for Mindflay since it has a custom coefficient. Any penalties Blizzard felt it needed, were made in the custom coefficient.

Every rank of Mindflay has a 45.8% coefficient, rank 1 though rank 6. Only the spell's base damage is different.

For a character with 500 spell damage (only darkness, shadow weaving and shadowform calculated):

Rank 1 Mindflay = 3 ticks of 136 = 408

Rank 6 Mindflay = 3 ticks of 316 = 954

[femdead 0]

I went to the trouble of making you a diagram:

 

 

Though it's worth keeping in mind: Mind Flay has its own custom coefficient of 45.7% (all ranks) in Vanilla.

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=20831

 

If Mind Flay did use the regular formula (the example used is for an AoE, hence the denominator of 3) then it would simply use (3/3.5)*0.95 = 0.814, you can imagine why Blizzard decided not to give Mind Flay an 81.4% damage coefficient - it would be insanely OP. Ironically, this larger spell damage coefficient would make downranking Mind Flay even MORE effective, especially when you're kitted out with plenty of +Shadow and +Spell Damage.

Edited December 10, 2016 by femdead

[killerduki 54]

For a character with 500 spell damage (only darkness, shadow weaving and shadowform calculated):

Rank 1 Mindflay = 3 ticks of 136 = 408

Rank 6 Mindflay = 3 ticks of 316 = 954

 

Let take your example as Theory:

 

500 Spell Damage = 327 Mind Flay Damage with Bonuses = 109 DPS

 

Mind Flay rank 1 = 75 damage+bonuses = 109 damage / 3 = 36 DPS + (327 / 3) = 145 DPS

Mind Flay rank 6 = 426 damage + bonuses = 619 damage / 3 = 206 DPS + (327 / 3) = 315 DPS

 

Good luck with that.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 10, 2016 by killerduki

[Maxvla 0]

Once again you don't bother explaining what you are talking about.

 

Are you saying it is lower dps to use rank 1? Obviously, but it is 1/2 the dps for less than 1/5th the mana cost (45 vs 205). That is the point people are trying to make to you. You certainly want to avoid using rank 1 mindflay if possible, but it is not terrible if you need to. Used with max rank SWP (106 DPS in this gear), you'd be doing 250 dps while gaining mana, not losing it. (with raid buffs/consumables)

[Bezawit 0]

^ what Maxvla said. This is how Spriests are able to do very long fights like Nef and not do *terribly* on damage. Rank1 getting the same spellpower coefficient for 1/5th the cost is amazing, in terms of effeciency.

I would weave rank 1s in on Nef until my potion/rune were back up.

Edited December 11, 2016 by Bezawit

[killerduki 54]

Once again you don't bother explaining what you are talking about.

 

Are you saying it is lower dps to use rank 1? Obviously, but it is 1/2 the dps for less than 1/5th the mana cost (45 vs 205). That is the point people are trying to make to you. You certainly want to avoid using rank 1 mindflay if possible, but it is not terrible if you need to. Used with max rank SWP (106 DPS in this gear), you'd be doing 250 dps while gaining mana, not losing it. (with raid buffs/consumables)

 

Look now , my theory is about Max DPS , what i reply you there was just the outcome from Rank 1 vs Rank 6 as you by yourself requested to.

If i have to do 250 DPS only because you have to go for 500 Spell Power , then i just recommend you to delete World of Warcraft and learn some different game.

With 500 Intellect , not only that you will do straight 400+++ DPS but also each spell power added to it will result far beyond/above that.

 

Everything written with many options is here : https://forum.elysium-project.org/index.php?showtopic=23585&page=1

 

If you don't bother to care working on that ignoring everything there, not my problem.

You are desperate trying every possible excuse in earth to make my theory wrong , but nothing you did to prove me wrong (no formula,no theory,no evidence).

 

1- In Base Stats and Mana , there is already 120 Intellect which at very 1st you completely ignore it.

2- In Gear/Enchants/Consumes that you are trying to add all the time , it will also increase extra Intellect and is the reason why your DPS goes higher.

3- The Gear/Buffs/Consumes that you are trying to add all the time , it increase Mp5 which replace Intellect in short fights , it is additional hand to intellect to long fight, but also it boost spell Damage (Does not make Spell Damage better than Intellect at any cost).

4- Ratio Intellect - Spell Damage is : 1.3 : 0.8 for short fights and 1.1 : 1 for long fights.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 11, 2016 by killerduki

[cryofsorrow 5]

This thread can go on and on, and on, and on. We've fallen into the abyss, deep into the shadows.

PS: Intellect doesn't outperform Spell Power.

[killerduki 54]

This thread can go on and on, and on, and on. We've fallen into the abyss, deep into the shadows.

PS: Intellect doesn't outperform Spell Power.

 

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Maxvla 0]

Look now , my theory is about Max DPS , what i reply you there was just the outcome from Rank 1 vs Rank 6 as you by yourself requested to.

If i have to do 250 DPS only because you have to go for 500 Spell Power , then i just recommend you to delete World of Warcraft and learn some different game.

With 500 Intellect , not only that you will do straight 400+++ DPS but also each spell power added to it will result far beyond/above that.

The point of my post was not about max dps, it was to show how Rank 1 Mindflay benefits from spell power the same way Rank 6 does.

 

Take away the 500 spell power and replace with 500 int with the same Rank 1 Mindflay and max rank SWP and you will do precisely 81.75 dps. Recall 500 spell power did 250 dps with these same spells.

[gotmilk0112 10]

Why are we still arguing with the fanatical paladin main? He's never going to admit that he's wrong. The guy practically gets off on being "persecuted" from people telling him he's wrong.

 

He's done it for quite a while with Paladins, constantly insisting that Prot Paladins are better MTs than Warriors, and that Ret is good DPS.

[gotmilk0112 10]

fixed it for you.

Hi Killerduki.