"Full" arcane raiding.

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

I made it to Naxx, but we had issues with getting enough tanks to actually progress. So yes, you are right. I did not full clear naxx. Unfortunately I was on the same server as Gentlemans Club (you know, world 1st naxx) and they constantly stole any tank that was geared enough. I did however raid all previous content and was raiding 5 days a week for close to 2 years. I was different than you in the sense that I wasn't carried.

[Mahtan 15]

so you are an elitist jerk for almost 12 years now?

let it go. the content has been cleared for 10 years. Today you should finally be able to beat the game on hard difficultiy.

Arcane spec is the hard game mode for a mage player. I honor that deeply.

Edited March 7, 2017 by Mahtan

[Mahtan 15]

I bet you flame people for playing Skyrim on very hard.

"lol did you not find the very easy button trolololol"

 

Edited March 7, 2017 by Mahtan

[quasexort 4]

Might as well not wear any gear either since that makes the game "harder".  I wonder if there would be ANY raiding guild that really wants to gimp themselves like this.

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

I fail to see how Playing skyrim has anything to do with the topic. I never said anything about Arcane. Again, reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I said that you raiding as fire in MC was stupid and that I doubted anyone would take a retarded mage who doesn't understand resist mechanics to Naxx. Please keep trying to twist my words, its rather humorous since I never once said the word arcane in any previous post on this thread.

[Mahtan 15]

I defend Arcane. You make blabla

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

Mahtan lost, so he is now trying to act like I said arcane is bad. Sounds about right. Please insert another quarter and try again. Or maybe go back to school to learn how to read and comprehend.

[Mahtan 15]

I did not hijack the thread. You started with a personal assault to reduce my trustworthyness.

You even commit that you started completely offtopic.

I lost? What? The trolling game? gz to you I guess?

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

No you were the one who tried telling us all that its ok to be fire in MC which is retarded. then went on to say that you frostbolt spammed as fire which was even more laughable. Then said that I never raided naxx, yet I find it funny you never responded to that reply from me. Ill call bullshit. You never raided naxx. no one would ever take a mage who refuses to do what is needed to clear content. What ever makes you sleep better at night I guess, but in either event - you failed. Oh and lets not forget that you also claimed I was saying not to play arcane when I hadn't even mentioned arcane. I mentioned that you were as useless as a priest with no bonus healing that just swings a staff if you thought fire in MC was ok.

[Mahtan 15]

I already congratulated you for winning the trolling contest, you can stop now.

[badtripbob 0]

On 2017年1月4日 at 3:59 PM, Zil said:

How the fuck is this even a thread?!?

common sense confirmed

[Whitewolf 1]

I don't know when it's available:

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=21190

It really isn't until TBC that arcane becomes a top spec. To put it into perspective, arcane will do about 80% of the possible damage that frost can do when maxed. It's really disappointing I know, but until AM gets proper scaling  it will always fall behind. Hell in Wrath AM was the hardest hitting ability..........in the 49 twink bracket every 2.5 seconds.

[Roxanne Flowers 15]

8 hours ago, Whitewolf said:

I don't know when it's available:

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=21190

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Wrath_of_Cenarius

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Patch 1.12.0 (2006-08-22): This item will now trigger from [Arcane Missiles].
Patch 1.9.0 (2006-01-03): Added.

The real question then becomes ... will the item get one proc chance per Arcane Missiles casting/volley, or only one chance per damage/hit?

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Equip: Gives a chance when your harmful spells land to increase the damage of your spells and effects by 132 for 10 sec.

Ranks 3+ Arcane Missiles fire 5 shots in 5 seconds of channeling. If that means 5 proc chances per 5 seconds of channel casting, that basically means:

5% assumed proc chance per hit (see reference above)
1 - (0.95^5) = 22.6% chance to proc per rank 3+ channeling of Arcane Missiles for 5 seconds for +132 spell power for 10 seconds

Over the course of two back-to-back castings of Arcane Missiles (for a total of 10 seconds duration) you get:
1 - (0.95^10) = 40.1% chance to proc during 10 seconds of channeling for +132 spell power for 10 seconds

So if it's coded that way, that would make Arcane Missiles rather competitive when this item is included.  Sadly, I fear that's not the case, since it seems that Clearcasting only procs on spellCASTING rather than on damage/hits LANDING on target.  If the proc is coded to only check on casting (i.e. once per Arcane Missiles volley, at the start of the volley) then Arcane Missiles will fall even further behind due to the differential in channel/casting times (5 seconds versus 3 seconds or less).

[Whitewolf 1]

To be vanilla like clear casting has to have a chance to proc per missile. Same with Wrath of Cenarius. Another factor that I don't know about is the tier 2 8 pc. Set bonus as I have never gotten past level 49 with a mage and my friend stopped playing before he got his. Weaving in pyros at a 41% proc rate would be insane especially with its special case scaling with spell power.

[Pottu 290]

On 4/15/2017 at 8:08 PM, Whitewolf said:

To be vanilla like clear casting has to have a chance to proc per missile. Same with Wrath of Cenarius. Another factor that I don't know about is the tier 2 8 pc. 

If you have actual evidence that it worked that way in vanilla, then please post a report in our Bug Tracker.

[Mahtan 15]

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Arcane Concentration

Gives you a 10% chance of entering a Clearcasting state after any damage spell hits a target. The Clearcasting state reduces the mana cost of your next damage spell by 100%. Any time you cast a damage spell -- which is most of the time for a mage, you have a chance to proc Clearcasting and get your next damage spell free. Note that the Clearcasting effect fades after about 15 seconds so this talent isn't quite a 10% mana cost reduction because you might proc on your killing spell with no new target in sight (or yourself low on mana). You can also cast low mana cost/high efficiency spells (such as Scorch or Frostbolt) until you get a clearcast and then use a high mana cost spell (such as Arcane Missiles, Flamestrike or Blizzard) thus boosting your net mana efficiency. Many mages spec this talent.

 

source: http://www.ign.com/faqs/2005/world-of-warcraft-mage-talents-faq-607181

 

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A helpful talent here is Arcane Concentration. A common tactic in groups when so talented is to cast a fast, cheap spell (like Scorch or an upgraded Frostbolt) until clearcasting is achieved, then cast a free Arcane Missiles.

source: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Arcane_Missiles?oldid=301256

 

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While you stand and channel, Arcane Missiles launches bolts of arcane energy at your target, dealing the given damage each second. Unlike other channeled spells, each second (or "tick") is considered a separate direct damage missile which passes through the normal direct damage checks (crit, resistance). Hence every missile can crit or miss on its own.

source: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Arcane_Missiles?oldid=301256

 

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Arcane Missiles - Will now be able to trigger procs based on dealing damage.

source: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.9.0

 

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Gives you a 2/4/6/8/10% chance of entering a Clearcasting state after any damage spell hits a target. The Clearcasting state reduces the mana cost of your next damage spell by 100%.

source: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?spell=11213

 

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We were discussing this last week. There used to be a bug, apparently, where it could proc on each missile, but they've fixed it.

My little bit of testing confirms that it only procced on the initial cast.

source: http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=243&mid=1192063181114214472 (2007)

 

I was not able to find a proof that it was able to proc for each missile.during 1.12. I do remember, that it was just a chance on spellcasting. So just like Blizzard or Flamestrike, Arcane Missiles was only able to proc clearcasting on spellcast, not each hit. I guess that the wording of Arcane Concentration is just misguiding, because it says "after any damage spell hits a target", which is not true. I guess the fact that guides from 2004-2006 suggest that you should spam cheap spells like Scorch to proc Clearcasting for Arcane Missiles is another hint that it did not proc Clearcasting for each missile.

The last quote suggests that it was able to proc on each missile during TBC beta, but did not make it to live realms.

 

[Whitewolf 1]

16 hours ago, Mahtan said:

I was not able to find a proof that it was able to proc for each missile.during 1.12. I do remember, that it was just a chance on spellcasting. So just like Blizzard or Flamestrike, Arcane Missiles was only able to proc clearcasting on spellcast, not each hit. I guess that the wording of Arcane Concentration is just misguiding, because it says "after any damage spell hits a target", which is not true. I guess the fact that guides from 2004-2006 suggest that you should spam cheap spells like Scorch to proc Clearcasting for Arcane Missiles is another hint that it did not proc Clearcasting for each missile.

The last quote suggests that it was able to proc on each missile during TBC beta, but did not make it to live realms.

They spammed the cheap spells for efficiency not because of a lack of proccing as Arcane missiles is the highest damage per cast spell.

[Whitewolf 1]

On 4/30/2017 at 5:25 AM, Pottu said:

If you have actual evidence that it worked that way in vanilla, then please post a report in our Bug Tracker.

I can't actually prove it. However Theloras has found evidence for the way Wrath of Cenarius works:

https://github.com/elysium-project/server/issues/420#issuecomment-299076326

[killerduki 54]

On 30.4.2017 at 0:25 PM, Pottu said:

If you have actual evidence that it worked that way in vanilla, then please post a report in our Bug Tracker.

You are correct they should report in bugtracker, tbh the evidence is within Nost forum to the Mage Section when i copied all the Mage talents Guide from Vanilla Blizzard Forum ;)

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Mahtan 15]

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=1440

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=25718

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=3373&p=30115

 

I can't find any proof in the old Nostalrius forum. Can you please search for the thread that you have in mind? :)

Here is an answer from a Nostalrius developer:

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What you described is how the spell works on every mangos server. Which is, if you have tested it, totally overpowered.

We found evidence that it is not suppose to work like that for channeling spells, so we scripted it like it should be according to our knowledge and the information we found.

If you find evidence that can prove us wrong, then we will modify the script once again.
Only a video from retail is a 100% reliable source.

Until then, the script will remain unchanged.


Note : tool tip is not a reliable source, specially in vanilla, take a look to anger management for example.

and Emander posted this treasure:

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http://forums.elitistjerks.com/topic/6831-mage-spreadsheet-updated/?p=193797
Posted 07 September 2006 - 01:48 AM
"Only the first tick of AM can proc Clearcasting or Netherwind Focus."

and here is a video from the old Nost forum, where you can see some Clearcasting procs, but never from Arcane Missiles 2-5: