Fresh server last makes absolutely no sense

[aristotheron 0]

There has been a lot of publicity about the Vanilla WoW community since Nostalrius decided to shut down. This means there are a LOT more potential newcomers to the scene with the re-launch of the most successful vanilla gaming platform to date. Who can say how many?

The community could double in size, or the newcomers could only be enough to replace the people who lost interest with the demise of Nostalrius.

 

Either way there are two guarantees:

1) The hardcore crowd will return no matter what (even if their old characters are not preserved)

2) The community can only be sustained by new people coming in (the same old crowd can't sustain the true experience for more than a few months, if at all, as we have seen time and time again, with every single Vanilla server as an example)

 

We want a big community in order to have a dynamic, interesting, and fun gaming and social experiences, and that means we need to be welcoming to newcomers. We need to ensure the newcomers have the best possible experience so they stay around and recommend the game to others.

 

By deprioritizing the fresh server, you are deprioritizing newcomers and the stability of the community.

You are enforcing that the old players should be superior to the new players forever, which I believe is the entire point for you.

 

New players who are excited to start playing will not have the same opportunities to make their mark on the server. They will have to follow the lead of the already established people and not have the chance to carve their own way through the content.

"Old server first" ensures that new players will not be able to compete with old players and that they will not have the same incentives to plant roots into our community. It kills the leveling hype. It creates an unnatural situation where players will be coming back with their same character but totally different guilds. It creates technical challenges of having too much content to provide support for all at once. It's just a bad idea that doesn't make any sense.

 

The "old server first" side pretends that they want to keep the community strong by encouraging people to come back by not forcing them to level up again. But the fact that the fresh start server is delayed by months betrays their real purpose: they just want to feel superior to all the new people that are going to come as a result of the Vanilla's new publicity, at the expense of the long-term health of the community.

The community will be strong to start with no matter what. It ought to be kept strong for as long as possible and provide the best experience for everyone.

 

The Vanilla WoW gaming community has ever been plagued by one problem: the selfishness and shortsightedness of its leaders who administrate the servers. In the end all they care about is what they want and what their small group of friends wants and the community will always suffer. With them, the Vanilla experience isn't for fun, it's for a sick nostalgia that gives them false validation for their life failures. It exists to be their "safe space" where they have status that they failed to achieve in real life.

 

I hope Elysium will break the mold.

 

[aristotheron 0]

INB4 "omg another fresh first thread"

 

I'm trying to start a rational conversation that analyzes the situation without people going on about their "omg" opinions

[MeridianAdams 0]

Sweet ваууing jesus, be thankful that we have any servers at all!!!!!!!!!!!

 

My god, how ваууing ungrateful can people be????? You people are a ваууing disgrace. I for one am Damn grateful to be able to play on any vanilla server at all, especially since Blizzard seem adamant not to provide Legacy servers. I will be playing on FRESH servers and I do not care which servers are made available to play on first. It is up to the guys here on Elysium and Nost which servers are put online first, noone elses. Now shut the вау up, let them put the servers online and BE HAPPY THEY ARE DOING IT AT ALL!!!!!!

[Smoerre 0]

"I'm trying to start a rational conversation that analyzes the situation without people going on about their "omg" opinions"

 

"The Vanilla WoW gaming community has ever been plagued by one problem: the selfishness and shortsightedness of its leaders who administrate the servers. In the end all they care about is what they want and what their small group of friends wants and the community will always suffer. With them, the Vanilla experience isn't for fun, it's for a sick nostalgia that gives them false validation for their life failures. It exists to be their "safe space" where they have status that they failed to achieve in real life."

 

Teehee

[Ellipsea 36]

Dear lord.  would ya stahp.

[Smoerre 0]

I dont even understand where all this entitled pricks come from.

I've seen this problem in the pserver scene for ages, but it's reaching new heights.

The whole reason for this project is to bring back Nostalrius with its database,

the new server is a GOODIE on top of it, not the PRIORITY.

It's not that hard to understand..

[aristotheron 0]

"I'm trying to start a rational conversation that analyzes the situation without people going on about their "omg" opinions"

 

"The Vanilla WoW gaming community has ever been plagued by one problem: the selfishness and shortsightedness of its leaders who administrate the servers. In the end all they care about is what they want and what their small group of friends wants and the community will always suffer. With them, the Vanilla experience isn't for fun, it's for a sick nostalgia that gives them false validation for their life failures. It exists to be their "safe space" where they have status that they failed to achieve in real life."

 

Teehee

 

Dear lord.  would ya stahp.

So, you have no argument then?

Thanks for reading my entire post though.

[aristotheron 0]

 

AHHHHH WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE SO ENTITLED

If you were literate, you would see this argument is about the health of the community overall.

 

TRY ONE MORE TIME:

By deprioritizing the fresh server, you are deprioritizing newcomers and the stability of the community.

You are enforcing that the old players should be superior to the new players forever, which I believe is the entire point for you.

 

New players who are excited to start playing will not have the same opportunities to make their mark on the server. They will have to follow the lead of the already established people and not have the chance to carve their own way through the content.

"Old server first" ensures that new players will not be able to compete with old players and that they will not have the same incentives to plant roots into our community. It kills the leveling hype. It creates an unnatural situation where players will be coming back with their same character but totally different guilds. It creates technical challenges of having too much content to provide support for all at once. It's just a bad idea that doesn't make any sense.

 

do you have any response to that besides "ALSIDJFALSEJOASJOI STOP DISAGREEING WITH ME"?

[aristotheron 0]

""and was thus then!! that his irony meter was shattered into a thousand pieces. and he thought to himself "my god i gotta replace a lot of these things when i go on the Elysium forums""

 

- an excerpt from the adventures of thehappycatstail on the elysium forums!

I don't think you understand what irony means.

 

You people are calling everyone who wants a fresh server "entitled", but you think you are entitled to have your old character back at the expense of everyone else.

That is an example of irony. I have no guess as to what you perceived as ironic in my argument.

[Ellipsea 36]

listen.  The reason the servers are rolling out in the order they are, is to ensure the most success for each of them.  Anyones individual desires don't mean anything to that. 

 

Take a chill pill, you'll be playing in the place you like soon enough.  Besides, this thread will be locked soon enough, so no one can argue their own preferences.  You can add to one of the threads that weren't already closed.   Pottu leaves them open for a reason.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Ellipsea

[aristotheron 0]

listen.  The reason the servers are rolling out in the order they are, is to ensure the most success for each of them.  Anyones individual desires don't mean anything to that. 

 

Take a chill pill, you'll be playing in the place you like soon enough.

Okay.

Why do you just want to have an exchange of meaningless comments with no rationale behind them?

 

If that's the reason, why do you think that's what ensures the most success?

What is this based on? Because I already laid out an argument about why the current plan will achieve the opposite. Treating newcomers like second class citizens is not a good way to get them to stick around and is not a good way to keep the server community strong for a long time.

[aristotheron 0]

listen kid, you aren't going to change the devs mind on this issue even you were as smart as you seem to think you are. its set in stone. nost realms coming out in 10 days and you think they are just gonna cave? hilarious you have pretty delicious tears though so i don't really mind if you keep it up. looking forward to more entitled crying.

Wow you are really mad that I nailed you down with the "With them, the Vanilla experience isn't for fun, it's for a sick nostalgia that gives them false validation for their life failures. It exists to be their "safe space" where they have status that they failed to achieve in real life." statement.

 

I come with rationale thought, you come with brainless troll language. Yet more example of the word you like to use to feel "smart" but have no idea what it means.

[taladril 43]

The fact that you are so concerned about community but completely ignorant of the basics of how community is created boggles my mind. And I mean that to every single person who is all confused about why we would possibly want the old database brought back. The old database has all of the people who started and came to nost. That is the community. Period. Anyone coming in fresh or rerolling fresh is not a community. Communities happen when people congregate. Are you congregating in game? No because it isn't released yet. You are hoping for a community that is vibrant and fresh and awesome, like nost was. Well if we bring back nost we bring back the community. If you don't then it's like you A-bombed a town and then put a sign up saying "free land" and go "ah what a nice community we have here." Good thing those pesky old timers were kicked out.

[Mealticket 0]

The inferiority complexes are real. All retail rerolls are catching up. We used to reroll new servers all the time and catch up to the content pre easy mode. I logged in on day 1 of Nost, it was unplayable. I logged in 2 months later and had a way better time than I would have.

People who want content to play, will be on Nost pvp and people who want a shot at glory will go Elysium pvp. The care bears, though I don't agree with their lifestyle choices, will play the only real server they have.

We were and will continue to be the community that made Nostalrius THE server worth playing. Devs don't bust their tales on dead servers. You can ride the hype train and publicity if you want, but you guys need to stop disrespecting the people who made the shut down a huge thing and not just a server fading away.

[Ellipsea 36]

The rationale has been represented a hundred times.  It's not going to change.  You aren't going to bring any new ideas to the table that already haven't.  If you want to vent, use the threads that were left open.  

 

Lock me please.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Ellipsea

[aristotheron 0]

The fact that you are so concerned about community but completely ignorant of the basics of how community is created boggles my mind. And I mean that to every single person who is all confused about why we would possibly want the old database brought back. The old database has all of the people who started and came to nost. That is the community. Period. Anyone coming in fresh or rerolling fresh is not a community. Communities happen when people congregate. Are you congregating in game? No because it isn't released yet. You are hoping for a community that is vibrant and fresh and awesome, like nost was. Well if we bring back nost we bring back the community. If you don't then it's like you A-bombed a town and then put a sign up saying "free land" and go "ah what a nice community we have here." Good thing those pesky old timers were kicked out.

You didn't read the whole "shortsighted" thing did you?

 

The community is not just what it was, it is what it is going to be. Time does not stand still.

[aristotheron 0]

The rationale has been represented a hundred times.  It's not going to change.  You aren't going to bring any new ideas to the table that already haven't.  If you want to vent, use the threads that were left open.

From what I've seen it hasn't. So you have absolutely no answer? You want to just waste your time posting meaningless comments in these threads without addressing anything that the thread is about? This is what you do with your life? Not a surprise you don't understand the value of having a healthy community. You just фекал on anything you don't like and feel entitled to say your opinion and never explain it. You don't care about anyone but yourself.

"trollish language" is all this topic deserves in all honesty. and yeah I'M the mad one here LOL so many deliciously tasty tears.

You want to just waste your time posting meaningless comments in these threads without addressing anything that the thread is about? This is what you do with your life? Not a surprise you don't understand the value of having a healthy community. You just фекал on anything you don't like and feel entitled to say your opinion and never explain it. You don't care about anyone but yourself.

[taladril 43]

You didn't read the whole "shortsighted" thing did you?

 

The community is not just what it was, it is what it is going to be. Time does not stand still.

This situation wouldn't be here if it weren't for us. That's the bottom line. We aren't complaining about a new server. In fact I don't think there's been a single thread or topic anywhere where people said that. So we have never attacked you and your glorious dreams of starting fresh. But you guys have had post after post and thread after thread of not just saying that new should trump old. No. But actually that old should not even exist. The sense of entitlement and selfishness from you people is absolutely boggling to me.

[Glenzig 34]

They did it! This was the post that finally made them see the error of their ways. They are releasing the Fresh server first!

Your completely rational and logical argument for the fresh server first made all the difference. Thank you brave warrior!

[Faith 5]

The Vanilla WoW gaming community has ever been plagued by one problem: the selfishness and shortsightedness of its leaders who administrate the servers. In the end all they care about is what they want and what their small group of friends wants and the community will always suffer. With them, the Vanilla experience isn't for fun, it's for a sick nostalgia that gives them false validation for their life failures. It exists to be their "safe space" where they have status that they failed to achieve in real life.

 

I hope Elysium will break the mold.

 

 

I have to disagree with you here. Pushing the fresh new server to last opened makes all the sense in the world. We are not talking months. My guess is that the Fresh PvP realm will open on January 7th. That is just 4 weeks. You've waited this long .. 4 more weeks is nothing.

 

Also by doing this it ensures some of the integrity of the old server's population. If you opened up the fresh server with the old servers it would be too tempting for a lot of players to jump ship.This could cause not only a bad over population of the new server but a possibly significant loss on the old realm. Now maybe THIS WHOLE POST IS just another TROLL attempt but doing it this way is the best way since they have decided to keep the old accounts.

 

 

I was and AM a fan of starting with all clean realms. This would have ensured the most balanced population. Letting everyone and all their friends be at the same place. This , however is not what they decided. I can certainly understand all the players who had worked hard on their characters not wanting to lose their progress. You get attached to your characters. I know I still am attached to Faithdriven my 100 priest but I don't play retail wow anymore. 

 

~ Faith ~

Edited December 7, 2016 by Faith

[Ellipsea 36]

There's nothing to argue with you.  It is what it is and you don't understand why and I'm telling you no matter how valid you think one of your points are, that I didn't read, it's not going to change.  I don't care, and it's not gonna make a difference.  Go vent in one of the open threads.  

 

Relax.  Let it go.  You'll get to play at the appropriate time.  : )

[aristotheron 0]

They did it! This was the post that finally made them see the error of their ways. They are releasing the Fresh server first!

Your completely rational and logical argument for the fresh server first made all the difference. Thank you brave warrior!

It doesn't make you look good to ridicule people who have something to say where you have nothing to say.

 

This situation wouldn't be here if it weren't for us. That's the bottom line. We aren't complaining about a new server. In fact I don't think there's been a single thread or topic anywhere where people said that. So we have never attacked you and your glorious dreams of starting fresh. But you guys have had post after post and thread after thread of not just saying that new should trump old. No. But actually that old should not even exist. The sense of entitlement and selfishness from you people is absolutely boggling to me.

This isn't an attack on you. Not everyone is out to get you.

 

This is about having a healthy server and a healthy vanilla community.

Just because some one wants something different than you doesn't mean they are attacking you.

The only people attacking here are the people on "your side".

 

You aren't addressing the argument. By having a huge amount of people start above them, the hype is killed for newcomers and they don't have a chance to experience everything the game has to offer.

[aristotheron 0]

There's nothing to argue with you.  It is what it is and you don't understand why and I'm telling you no matter how valid you think one of your points are, that I didn't read, it's not going to change.  I don't care, and it's not gonna make a difference.  Go vent in one of the open threads.  

 

Relax.  Let it go.  You'll get to play at the appropriate time.  : )

You are deeply confused. This isn't the personal battle for everyone that it is for you. This is a discussion about the health of the community. About what should be and why. If you don't want to have that conversation why are you posting here (third time I ask, I guess you just do it compulsively because you have nothing to do at all)

[Jimmy 2]

This situation wouldn't be here if it weren't for us. That's the bottom line. We aren't complaining about a new server. In fact I don't think there's been a single thread or topic anywhere where people said that. So we have never attacked you and your glorious dreams of starting fresh. But you guys have had post after post and thread after thread of not just saying that new should trump old. No. But actually that old should not even exist. The sense of entitlement and selfishness from you people is absolutely boggling to me.

 

Bingo. If it weren't for those of us who were on Nostalrius there wouldn't be this project, and most of the people complaining about the fresh server coming last probably would have never even heard of legacy. There's a fresh server coming, that's fine, but that's bonus at the end.

 

This project is about returning what was stolen from us.

[Mealticket 0]

Before  the shut down, Newcomers were welcomed into our guilds with open arms, into our established 5 mans and our ZG pugs with no questions asked. Our alts added the newcomers to their friends lists. We quested with them. Why would any of that change now?