Fresh server last makes absolutely no sense

[Mealticket 0]

To be fair, it was not the casual, but very vocal minority, that drove WoW to where it is now, but the fact that they started basing their decisions on what would draw more players, in order to generate more profit. This happened, as many know, after Blizzard was acquired by Activision. Not the players' fault, by far. Of course that in no way this invalidates what you said, and I very much agree that the word of some is worth more than others when it comes to how long they will actually play for. I maintain my preference for a vote. But I fully understand why that is not possible. In fact, it is probably foolish of me to think that people would vote in anything other than the realm they want to play on.

I guess that's my point. You run into a catch 22 where some who consider the ramifications of the Nostalrius community joined with the New Elysium community in the fewest available zones at once are seen as biased and people who want that to be the reality are seen as foolish. It's a no win and will have potentially disastrous effects.

[aristotheron 0]

Dude, like totes magotes serious. Have you played Legion? You can get raid ready from questing while half asleep. You can get a legendary from spending 3 minutes riding a manasaber on autorun over glowy spots on the ground. 

Yes, handouts.

It's not an even playing field. It's a random playing field. The players are like the balls on a roulette wheel.  

What I'm saying is that nothing about this situation is at all parallel to retail wow. I have no idea what you're even trying to say.

Edited December 7, 2016 by aristotheron

[aristotheron 0]

To be fair, it was not the casual, but very vocal minority, that drove WoW to where it is now, but the fact that they started basing their decisions on what would draw more players, in order to generate more profit. This happened, as many know, after Blizzard was acquired by Activision. Not the players' fault, by far. Of course that in no way this invalidates what you said, and I very much agree that the word of some is worth more than others when it comes to how long they will actually play for. I maintain my preference for a vote. But I fully understand why that is not possible. In fact, it is probably foolish of me to think that people would vote in anything other than the realm they want to play on.

It had little to do with a vocal minority.

 

It has to do with blizzard datamining in-game conversations and activity logs and applying psychological models to the community.

 

They just figured out how to make it as easy as possible for players to gain access to "habit forming" (aka addicting) parts of the game.

 

So they ended up with a soulless pile of фекал.

[Mealticket 0]

It had little to do with a vocal minority.

It has to do with blizzard datamining in-game conversations and activity logs and applying psychological models to the community.

They just figured out how to make it as easy as possible for players to gain access to "habit forming" (aka addicting) parts of the game.

So they ended up with a soulless pile of фекал.

Nothing is more habit forming for me than knowing I have a task I know is going to take 70+ hours to complete.

[Destron 2]

Every single argument they have always leads to pointing newcomers to retail. Claiming anything outside of Nost first is going to somehow turn this into a Legion simulator. It's as simple as that. They got what they want so now they ride upon the highest of horses.

 

My plan is to browse these forums, play on KR to test out some classes and then return when Elysium drops. Watch Nost dry up like the retirement community it is, only now there won't be any new tenants in this old folks home. Elysium will dwarf and overshadow old Nost in no time flat. It's going to be a real treat to see how these Old Nost folks back-peddle and come crawling to the New World, Elysium. 

[Tholren 7]

It had little to do with a vocal minority.

 

It has to do with blizzard datamining in-game conversations and activity logs and applying psychological models to the community.

 

They just figured out how to make it as easy as possible for players to gain access to "habit forming" (aka addicting) parts of the game.

 

So they ended up with a soulless pile of фекал.

 

Read more carefully into my words, I have said more or less the same as you, minus a few details. I never said that the players were to blame, quite the opposite.

[aristotheron 0]

Every single argument they have always leads to pointing newcomers to retail. Claiming anything outside of Nost first is going to somehow turn this into a Legion simulator. It's as simple as that. They got what they want so now they ride upon the highest of horses.

 

My plan is to browse these forums, play on KR to test out some classes and then return when Elysium drops. Watch Nost dry up like the retirement community it is, only now there won't be any new tenants in this old folks home. Elysium will dwarf and overshadow old Nost in no time flat. It's going to be a real treat to see how these Old Nost folks back-peddle and come crawling to the New World, Elysium. 

well said

[aristotheron 0]

Read more carefully into my words, I have said more or less the same as you, minus a few details. I never said that the players were to blame, quite the opposite.

but the difference is that I'm saying they actually studied every single person, invading their privacy, and using the information to try to figure out how to manipulate them on a subconscious level

[Ellipsea 36]

oh for christsake close this thread.

[Papajimboh 12]

What I'm saying is that nothing about this situation is at all parallel to retail wow. I have no idea what you're even trying to say.

 

I just said they did the opposite and it hurt their game. Because it did. Listening to new players who don't like the way things are more than they listen to long time players has crippled the game. But it's not a big surprise with how many new faces there are making the game now. New creators don't care about keeping the game feeling like the same game everyone grew to love. They turned it into a joke. 

[Tholren 7]

but the difference is that I'm saying they actually studied every single person, invading their privacy, and using the information to try to figure out how to manipulate them on a subconscious level

 

I have no knowledge of this, have you a source you can provide? I'm much interested in learning more.

[Kazuma 11]

Deeejaaay khaled... another one!!!

[aristotheron 0]

oh for christsake close this thread.

"ONLY OPINIONS I AGREE WITH SHOULD BE ALLOWED"

You are a real asset to the community.

[aristotheron 0]

Deeejaaay khaled... another one!!!

Yeah it's almost like there is a lot of support for the idea or something

[Jimmy 2]

Congratulations, you played yourself.

[aristotheron 0]

Congratulations, you played yourself.

Congratulations you've been bumping my point of view in the forum and have contributed absolutely nothing to the conversation

 

irony much?

[murray 5]

what they could have done is include in the video that there is indeed going to be a fresh realm

nevermind the launch date, as it was supposed to launch after the old realm ever since the initial announcements anyway

[Jimmy 2]

Congratulations you've been bumping my point of view in the forum and have contributed absolutely nothing to the conversation

 

irony much?

 

Nah, bruh, I'm just letting people know that you just don't get it. Your paper thin arguments have already been beaten into the ground.

[aristotheron 0]

Nah, bruh, I'm just letting people know that you just don't get it. Your paper thin arguments have already been beaten into the ground.

so much delusion. there has literally been one attempt to make a reasonable argument and it was instantly dismantled.

 

The truth is simple: releasing the old realm first is intimidating to new players and hurts the growth of the community, and hurts everyone's gameplay experience in the long run.

[Jimmy 2]

releasing the old realm first is intimidating to new players and hurts the growth of the community, and hurts everyone's gameplay experience in the long run.

 

What a lovely opinion being stated as fact.

[Jimmy 2]

he is full of those. I'm sure if you read the thread back just now you'll see several other instances of this.

 

"My opinions are facts, and your opinions are wrong because the facts say so"

[Haestingas 30]

Stop responding to the troll, honestly this forum is very bad and most of us would be better off staying away.

[Crowley 8]

I don't believe the OPs intentions were to troll. Whether you agree with his perspective or not he did try to explain, in detail, why he feels the way he does. I think things just sorta spun out of control and discussions turn into arguments and the heart of the discussion is lost, so at that point it looks like people trolling each other, when really we just have two frustrated points of view.

[aristotheron 0]

Toxic neckbeards for whom leveling to 60 on nostalrius is probably the proudest achievement in life.

 

"Anything I don't want to believe is TROLLING"

 

"I literally don't have the ability to read anything I disagree with"

 

You're really doomed souls. Pointlessly repeating your undeveloped statement of opinion again and again is the only way you know how to communicate.

You have no real friends so you engage in this tribalism surrounding whatever issue is at hand. You never actually reason through anything. It's just black and white for you: what you want and what you don't want. The result of having all your needs met with no effort required from you. Spoiled children.

If anyone points out any of this to you its "NO THATS NOT ME THAT'S YOU XD"

 

Anyway the kind of people who support the "old server first" in this thread should give you some clue as to the veracity of my analysis of the motivation for the argument. They are permanently entrenched in a deep inferiority complex and think they are entitled to certain things without thinking about anyone else.

 

 

[Destron 2]

mind if i requote this in several months when you are horribly wrong?

 

Scary isn't it.