Fresh server last makes absolutely no sense

[Ellipsea 36]

Aris.  Apparently no one is around to close this thread.  The argument is, you freaking brickhead, if we let the fresh realm open first you would be on constant queues, a draw distance of ten feet, and perpetual crashes until the other realms absorbed the pop from the unplayabilty of the fresh realm>  DO YOU GET IT?

 

There is nothing positive gained from that, except you might draw some little joy complaining about how unplayable the realm is before you quit at level 5 and we lost that potential pop.  On top of that, if you'd freaking listen, you're opinion or any valid argument you might think you have makes no dif as it's set in stone.

[sojs123 0]

the gold making opportunities on the new server are really it's only plus over the old one

 

whoever hits high 50s first and starts dual box devilsaur / lotus farming is going to be making serious gold / hour

[aristotheron 0]

Aris.  Apparently no one is around to close this thread.  The argument is, you freaking brickhead, if we let the fresh realm open first you would be on constant queues, a draw distance of ten feet, and perpetual crashes until the other realms absorbed the pop from the unplayabilty of the fresh realm>  DO YOU GET IT?

 

There is nothing positive gained from that, except you might draw some little joy complaining about how unplayable the realm is before you quit at level 5 and we lost that potential pop.  On top of that, if you'd freaking listen, you're opinion or any valid argument you might think you have makes no dif as it's set in stone.

That makes no sense. People are going to be flooding the server anyway. The same people are going to be interested no matter what. The same amount of people are going to try to go to whatever server happens to be up first.

 

If the team isn't ready for the amount of demand for vanilla wow, it's going to go the same way no matter what.

 

Just to recap, your entire argument is that more people are interested in fresh servers and that we can't have a fresh server to start with because there is so much interest that the servers would do nothing but crash.

 

That is NOTHING to do with the point of view of the people arguing against fresh servers here. Nothing. In fact it's the opposite of what most of them have expressed.

And it doesn't make any sense to begin with. Why do you assume people are going to wait for fresh servers? Most newcomers won't even know the difference until weeks of playing. Of course everyone, even the "fresh first" crowd are going to roll on the first server available or revive their nost characters even though they plan to reroll when the fresh server releases.

 

I see why you wouldn't actually say anything before. You have no idea what you're talking about, you just want to bemoan the stupidity of the people who disagree with what you want for yourself regardless of any reason.

 

But on the other hand, at least you tried to provide at least some reasoning. Better than most did.

Edited December 7, 2016 by aristotheron

[Ellipsea 36]

It makes all the sense in the world.  Go check Nost forums on the pop problems on PvP realm and then check back with me.  The lengths the devs went through to deal with the pop are documented and were presented to Blizz themsleves.  I happen to know exactly what I'm talking about.

[gotmilk0112 10]

Toxic neckbeards for whom leveling to 60 on nostalrius is probably the proudest achievement in life.

 

"Anything I don't want to believe is TROLLING"

 

"I literally don't have the ability to read anything I disagree with"

 

You're really doomed souls. Pointlessly repeating your undeveloped statement of opinion again and again is the only way you know how to communicate.

 

Spoiled children.

 

If anyone points out any of this to you its "NO THATS NOT ME THAT'S YOU XD"

 

They are permanently entrenched in a deep inferiority complex and think they are entitled to certain things without thinking about anyone else.

a post full of ad hominem, nice

 

to the ignore list you go

[Ellipsea 36]

eck.  I allowed myself to get played by a troll.  woops

Edited December 7, 2016 by Ellipsea

[Elviss 5]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yioAs23UXdA

[aristotheron 0]

It makes all the sense in the world.  Go check Nost forums on the pop problems on PvP realm and then check back with me.  The lengths the devs went through to deal with the pop are documented and were presented to Blizz themsleves.  I happen to know exactly what I'm talking about.

It makes absolutely no sense. Can you read?

 

Why do you assume people are going to wait for fresh servers? Most newcomers won't even know the difference until weeks of playing. Of course everyone, even the "fresh first" crowd are going to roll on the first server available or revive their nost characters even though they plan to reroll when the fresh server releases.

 

No matter what the same number of people are going to go on whatever server is opened up (except PvE because everyone knows PvE is trash).

There's no reason they wouldn't.

 

Your entire argument depends on you providing some reason why they would be deterred from joining the "old realm".

 

But yeah, anyone who takes the time to explain why you are wrong is a TROLL.

How convenient for you that you are not accountable for anything you say and are therefore always right.

[Elviss 5]

You really don't know when enough is enough?

 

None really care what you think, except you parents, maybe. If you feel like you need to win every argument that you possibly can come up with, get your self a pet. In grown up's world people will occasionally disagree with you about this and that, and frankly, you won't be able to change their mind no matter how hard you try. Learn to deal with it, and above all,

 

Stop this pointless conversation, already...

[Horten 9]

Let it go, the release for the old Nostalrius realms are set in stone.

You can either play there for a bit if you're impatient or wait another month for the fresh start to get an "even playing field" (let's be honest here, you won't be ahead of anyone either way).

Neither of the PvP servers will lack a healthy population, that much is guaranteed by the massive amount of attention the project is getting and the number of accounts just on the stress tests.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Horten

[sojs123 0]

The guy doesn't understand. he thinks whining for hours will cause the devs to change their decision just for him and the rest of the tiny minority that happens to be vocal.

hes blatantly фекал posting people are just eating it up by trying to reason with and reply to him

[aristotheron 0]

Yes, whenever you get cornered in the argument you revert to "it's going to happen anyway, thinking about it is pointless".

 

The point is not what is or is not going to happen, the point is what should happen and why. It's about exploring the situation and understanding whatunderlies it.

 

I know this hard for non-thinkers to grasp. You don't see the point in doing anything except going with the flow and attacking anyone who differs solely because you have an insane tribal-instinct attachment to your opinions.

 

But believe it or not, change happens, and it happens despite people like you

Edited December 7, 2016 by aristotheron

[aristotheron 0]

hes blatantly фекал posting people are just eating it up by trying to reason with and reply to him

literally no one is reasoning. They are just repeating the same tired lines because they are honestly threatened by anyone who says anything different than what they believe.

 

"OMG ITS SUCH A WASTE OF TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS LOL JUST STAHP"

If it's a waste of time for me to talk about it then isn't it an exponentially greater waste of time for you to talk about me talking about it?

 

Seriously you people are totally insane.

Edited December 7, 2016 by aristotheron

[Elviss 5]

[aristotheron 0]

The point of this thread is that the "old server first" people are in great proportion toxic waste that should be contained in their own server.

[Elviss 5]

You remind me of Bosnian guy who traveled to UK and then complained how everyone is driving on wrong side...

[Tholren 7]

At this point I thoroughly believe people are using this thread to up their post count. (Oh, the Irony!)

[Tudi 0]

How to Trigger some old players from Nost ?
Post some link with facts !
Guild Corner https://forum.elysium-project.org/index.php?showforum=263

Old PVP and PVE together not even close to the Elysium PvP activity.

Now cry me a river.


http://www.strawpoll.me/11589399/r

Edited December 7, 2016 by Tudi

[Syanis 2]

For those complaining on both sides of the aisle here's the logic I see in the choice. I'll also mention I'm personally for a fresh release at the same time simply because that is where I want to be.

 

Releasing Nost first and waiting on the fresh server isn't about making sure the fresh server is capable and bug free. Its instead about giving the old Nost servers time to recover as old Nost players will go there first because they have characters there and its open. Many old Nost players won't be returning surely and many guilds will be in disarray because lacking key raid roles and needing to replace and fill. A number of new players will go to the old server simply because its available telling themselves they will just swap when the fresh server comes out but in reality many will stay if they achieve any decent level and/or meet friends or a supportive Nost guild. This helps build Nosts population and fill in where Nost lost players.

 

Releasing the fresh server at the same time would draw all the new players there for sure first off because they have a chance to be in the top while few will make it to the top as always. A fair amount of old Nost players will roll fresh as well unless they were solid in raiding already. Nost players who go back to Nost will see a loss already in lost Nost players who simply didn't return and then also those who went to the fresh server. Raid guilds would be in disarray and with fewer numbers and no fresh players those players would slowly over a couple of weeks leave or move to the fresh server. The old Nost would end up with a low population and a ghost town likely while the fresh server would be getting most of the players.

 

I see it as sacrificing an extra month or two for new players who want to wait who haven't yet contributed and have already waited many years often in hopes of a real official classic server. What they get for that sacrifice is the old Nost players getting to have their servers back and repopulate throwing them a bone of sorts instead of setting them up for a sure failure of recovering their servers and progress. Yes it sucks majorly for us new players being put 2nd (well we are 2nd tbh and its a fitting place) and having to wait additional time for the benefit of the old servers and players. However we managed to go years w/o classic wow already while the old Nost players are the ones who are set up to lose everything should they not get a head start.

 

Now personally I'd say the logical thing that also makes the most sense as far as sorting bugs and other issues would be just starting fresh for all. After all this isn't Nost anymore or even Valkyrie. Its pretty much a new wow classic server experience and after all in the end no one is actually owed anything. But then that is just my opinion also made by my own interests at heart because the truth is my enjoyment means far more to me then everyone else's but then isn't that normal way of thinking as we play for our own fun and not someone else's. 

[Syanis 2]

I've been waiting for somebody to post that idiotic straw poll this entire time. I'm glad somebody finally did so they can see how pitifully small the sample size is of people who Are actively interested in it. Are you aware of how many people are actually apart of this community? LOL.

 

The truth is very few who are interested in playing are likely reading the forums other then seeing if an official date has been released. Then even fewer are reading through topics such as this let alone the entire topic to see a strawpoll and then vote in it.

[Ellipsea 36]

right.   The average person isn't likely to clock in let alone read a five paragraph opinion that makes no difference : )

Edited December 7, 2016 by Ellipsea

[maverick 11]

There has been a lot of publicity about the Vanilla WoW community since Nostalrius decided to shut down. This means there are a LOT more potential newcomers to the scene with the re-launch of the most successful vanilla gaming platform to date. Who can say how many?

The community could double in size, or the newcomers could only be enough to replace the people who lost interest with the demise of Nostalrius.

 

Either way there are two guarantees:

1) The hardcore crowd will return no matter what (even if their old characters are not preserved)

2) The community can only be sustained by new people coming in (the same old crowd can't sustain the true experience for more than a few months, if at all, as we have seen time and time again, with every single Vanilla server as an example)

 

We want a big community in order to have a dynamic, interesting, and fun gaming and social experiences, and that means we need to be welcoming to newcomers. We need to ensure the newcomers have the best possible experience so they stay around and recommend the game to others.

 

By deprioritizing the fresh server, you are deprioritizing newcomers and the stability of the community.

You are enforcing that the old players should be superior to the new players forever, which I believe is the entire point for you.

 

New players who are excited to start playing will not have the same opportunities to make their mark on the server. They will have to follow the lead of the already established people and not have the chance to carve their own way through the content.

"Old server first" ensures that new players will not be able to compete with old players and that they will not have the same incentives to plant roots into our community. It kills the leveling hype. It creates an unnatural situation where players will be coming back with their same character but totally different guilds. It creates technical challenges of having too much content to provide support for all at once. It's just a bad idea that doesn't make any sense.

 

The "old server first" side pretends that they want to keep the community strong by encouraging people to come back by not forcing them to level up again. But the fact that the fresh start server is delayed by months betrays their real purpose: they just want to feel superior to all the new people that are going to come as a result of the Vanilla's new publicity, at the expense of the long-term health of the community.

The community will be strong to start with no matter what. It ought to be kept strong for as long as possible and provide the best experience for everyone.

 

The Vanilla WoW gaming community has ever been plagued by one problem: the selfishness and shortsightedness of its leaders who administrate the servers. In the end all they care about is what they want and what their small group of friends wants and the community will always suffer. With them, the Vanilla experience isn't for fun, it's for a sick nostalgia that gives them false validation for their life failures. It exists to be their "safe space" where they have status that they failed to achieve in real life.

 

I hope Elysium will break the mold.

get a life and you won't have a problem waiting a few extra weeks for the fresh server, its as simple as that.

[aristotheron 0]

get a life and you won't have a problem waiting a few extra weeks for the fresh server, its as simple as that.

Man the total illiteracy on this board is amazing.

 

Also the delusion and total lack of critical thought.

 

Please, stay on Nostalrius aka The Ghost Server

[Demonthese 0]

Man the total illiteracy on this board is amazing.

 

Also the delusion and total lack of critical thought.

 

Please, stay on Nostalrius aka The Ghost Server

 

Resurrecting the server/community that slapped blizzard in the face with its dick first is a good idea. Waiting a few weeks for the fresh server that might just be the first one in a series depending on how popular the project gets is no big deal

[Njut 0]

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