Fresh server last makes absolutely no sense

[aristotheron 0]

Your argument is pathetically weak. You're trying to propose that the resurrection of the Nost servers will be doomed to failure by releasing the Nost servers first. You argue that all the publicity will fail if there isnt a fresh server for newcomers to start on first. There would be no newcomers, no publicity to feed off of if the original Nost servers weren't excellent products. Therefore, releasing the Elysium PvP server first would make very little sense for the supposed community you speak of. There would be no actual frame of reference for the quality of the Nost product. The Nost realms releasing first allows the,obviously by your implications so far, hundreds of thousands of newcomers to get a look at the product from the old servers before they dive into the new fresh server. Trust me, a ton of hype will be built from the time Nost relaunches until the fresh server is released.

Stop trying to mask your selfish, incoherent, asinine argument for the fresh server first with concern for the community. It's very translucent.

 

People can already see the quality of the product from YouTube. They are already interested in it based on that.

They need to experience it for themselves.

 

Having a server that favors the old players doesn't help with that. For reasons I've already mentioned it hinders that by forcing them to compete harder.

 

Sorry but your argument as it stands makes absolutely no sense.

 

For a second there I thought you would make an effort.

[Tholren 7]

Hypetrain Kids acting like waiting 3 extra is tough when we've been waiting 8 months lol

 

To be fair some people were only made aware of Nostalrius upon it's closing, some were even awakened to the Legacy discussion during that time. Perhaps some of them have been waiting for 8 months too. It's not a matter of how long you've been waiting. It's a matter of character. Which both, unfortunately, both (some) newcomers and Nost veterans alike severely lack .

[aristotheron 0]

Hypetrain Kids acting like waiting 3 extra is tough when we've been waiting 8 months lol

 

Maybe I'm not making it clear, but the hype is not a bad thing. It's a very, very good thing. There's no reason to look down on any newcomer as being a "hypetrain kid".

 

This is a chance to establish a monolith in the gaming community in general and to effect change in the industry.

 

Do you want to play vanilla wow forever? Or do you want some one to come along some day and make something that is an honest-to-god improvement over it?

The only way that is going to happen is if the full potential for support for this kind of gaming is realized. And that means extending a very sincere welcome to the "hypetrain kids" and everyone else who is new.

 

We want a big community in order to have a dynamic, interesting, and fun gaming and social experiences, and that means we need to be welcoming to newcomers. We need to ensure the newcomers have the best possible experience so they stay around and recommend the game to others.

 

By deprioritizing the fresh server, you are deprioritizing newcomers and the stability of the community.

You are enforcing that the old players should be superior to the new players forever, which I believe is the entire point for you.

 

New players who are excited to start playing will not have the same opportunities to make their mark on the server. They will have to follow the lead of the already established people and not have the chance to carve their own way through the content.

"Old server first" ensures that new players will not be able to compete with old players and that they will not have the same incentives to plant roots into our community. It kills the leveling hype. It creates an unnatural situation where players will be coming back with their same character but totally different guilds. It creates technical challenges of having too much content to provide support for all at once. It's just a bad idea that doesn't make any sense.

 

Do you understand? The community gets weaker by centering it around the past. The community is not just what it was, it is what it will be. With all the publicity surrounding Nostalrius, the old are likely to be in the minority. Why can't you admit that what is better for most is better for all in this case? All you have to do is play the game you supposedly enjoy playing.

[Jimmy 2]

To be fair some people were only made aware of Nostalrius upon it's closing, some were even awakened to the Legacy discussion during that time. Perhaps some of them have been waiting for 8 months too. It's not a matter of how long you've been waiting. It's a matter of character. Which both, unfortunately, both (some) newcomers and Nost veterans alike severely lack .

 

I know, and I think it's great we'll get an influx of new players, but I think it's hilarious people are acting like it's unfair Nostalrius servers are coming before fresh. It makes perfect sense.

[Glenzig 34]

People can already see the quality of the product from YouTube. They are already interested in it based on that.

They need to experience it for themselves.

Having a server that favors the old players doesn't help with that. For reasons I've already mentioned it hinders that by forcing them to compete harder.

Sorry but your argument as it stands makes absolutely no sense.

For a second there I thought you would make an effort.

Yeah. Youtube. Ok.

I bow before your obviously superior intellectual prowess.

[Tholren 7]

I know, and I think it's great we'll get an influx of new players, but I think it's hilarious people are acting like it's unfair Nostalrius servers are coming before fresh. It makes perfect sense.

 

I still advocate that a community vote was the way to go, but this is merely personal preference and opinion.

 

I'm sure the development team had their reasoning behind it and are doing everything in the best interest of the project. Try to forgive your fellow community members for their behavior, all they want is to play, same as you and I, everyone really. I'm sure all this friction will stop once all realms are released.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Tholren

[Mealticket 0]

because that isn't what the OP is about. the op is about nothing more then a whine that he isn't getting what he wants. thinly cloaked as an argument which has been debunked countless times on these forums already.

I guess it isn't the Nost community he wants to join.

[aristotheron 0]

I know, and I think it's great we'll get an influx of new players, but I think it's hilarious people are acting like it's unfair Nostalrius servers are coming before fresh. It makes perfect sense.

I know you're illiterate, but I'll just say it again for other people who might be lurking.

 

This is not about what's unfair. It's about what's best for the community.

 

The only people who are making an argument based on what's fair is your side.

All you have to say is that "that's just the way it is stop crying ahahaha i get my way and you don't serves you right for liking what i don't like XD"

 

Yeah. Youtube. Ok.

I bow before your obviously superior intellectual prowess.

as you should. Seriously it doesn't make any sense. Everyone can already see what nostalrius was. How does reviving the old characters help them see and understand that?

[Jimmy 2]

I still advocate that a community vote was the way to go, but this is merely personal preference and opinion.

 

I'm sure the development team had their reasoning behind it and are doing everything in the best interest of the project. Try to forgive your fellow community members for their behavior, all they want is to play, same as you and I, everyone really. I'm sure all this friction will stop once all realms are released.

 

It's tough to do a community vote. I know this is anecdotal, but 6 of my RL friends are coming back, and another 20 or so from my guild who stuck together on Discord, none of them participate on the forums/in the community.

 

tbh I think the friction is a good thing, it builds passion, and before you know it we'll have a much better outlet.

[Mealticket 0]

I still advocate that a community vote was the way to go, but this is merely personal preference and opinion.

I'm sure the development team had their reasoning behind it and are doing everything in the best interest of the project. Try to forgive your fellow community members for their behavior, all they want is to play, same as you and I, everyone really. I'm sure all this friction will stop once all realms are released.

Why do you believe that a vote by a bunch of people who have never worked on a server and have no accountability for its failure would be educated enough to make a decision that will most likely be a logistical nightmare?

30k players of various levels are going to be spread across most zones. 30k level 1-5s will be in 4 zones... The hope is that some old Nost people don't go to the fresh to lessen the stress. We saw what happens during the stress test with 1/3 that population in 8 zones, give or take.

[Tholren 7]

It's tough to do a community vote. I know this is anecdotal, but 6 of my RL friends are coming back, and another 20 or so from my guild who stuck together on Discord, none of them participate on the forums/in the community.

 

tbh I think the friction is a good thing, it builds passion, and before you know it we'll have a much better outlet.

 

I meant a vote on the main site of the project, up for a few days, I'm sure people would partake in it. But I see what you mean.

 

Regarding friction, I hope you're right. 

[Papajimboh 12]

TRY ONE MORE TIME:

By deprioritizing the fresh server, you are deprioritizing newcomers and the stability of the community.

You are enforcing that the old players should be superior to the new players forever, which I believe is the entire point for you.

 

Blizzard has proven the opposite to be bad. When they started prioritizing new players, giving handouts, and spending more effort trying to draw new players in than satisfying the current customers, that's when they lost a lot of old school players. Legion is the perfect example of what you end up with. A time sink Facebook game where you basically pull the lever on a slot machine and random gear falls out. Not what you need? Ah well just pull the lever again.

I'm new to Nost and Elysium, and have no problem starting at the bottom on whichever server they feel like releasing. The old players SHOULD take priority. They are the ones who lost everything they worked for. I didn't. I lost nothing, and currently have nothing to lose by fresh starting later. I'll probably end up rolling on BOTH.

In a few weeks when all the servers are out, this will be a non issue and everyone will be playing happily on the server they chose. It's gon b k bruh.  

[Jimmy 2]

I meant a vote on the main site of the project, up for a few days, I'm sure people would partake in it. But I see what you mean.

 

Regarding friction, I hope you're right. 

 

I think I am (obviously). What this guy doesn't get is this is what's best for all 3 servers. Nost servers will clearly have lost players over 8 months, so they have to come first so some of the new players can fill in the ranks. You take a 3-4 week break so they have a chance to level, so when the fresh server comes out not all of them jump to the new server. This leaves both Nost servers with a healthy population, and undoubtedly a large population on the fresh server.

[Tholren 7]

Why do you believe that a vote by a bunch of people who have never worked on a server and have no accountability for its failure would be educated enough to make a decision that will most likely be a logistical nightmare?

30k players of various levels are going to be spread across most zones. 30k level 1-5s will be in 4 zones... The hope is that some old Nost people don't go to the fresh to lessen the stress. We saw what happens during the stress test with 1/3 that population in 8 zones, give or take.

 

Have you worked on a server before? If so, forgive me, but if not, please notice how you understood the logistical complication involved in a project dealing with a huge amount of players, such as this. This is a project derived of the desire to offer people a pure Vanilla experience, and for free at that. It is entirely made for the community, by people who, thankfully for us, are willing to donate both their time and skill to do so. It is to my understanding that the most pleasing option, statistically, would be the most voted one. Of course, that the team must have indeed analyzed these options and did not choose their release schedule at random, and because I trust them, I do not contest. I merely stated how I would've done things, with my current knowledge. 

[aristotheron 0]

Blizzard has proven the opposite to be bad. When they started prioritizing new players, giving handouts, and spending more effort trying to draw new players in than satisfying the current customers, that's when they lost a lot of old school players. Legion is the perfect example of what you end up with. A time sink Facebook game where you basically pull the lever on a slot machine and random gear falls out. Not what you need? Ah well just pull the lever again.

I'm new to Nost and Elysium, and have no problem starting at the bottom on whichever server they feel like releasing. The old players SHOULD take priority. They are the ones who lost everything they worked for. I didn't. I lost nothing, and currently have nothing to lose by fresh starting later. I'll probably end up rolling on BOTH.

In a few weeks when all the servers are out, this will be a non issue and everyone will be playing happily on the server they chose. It's gon b k bruh.  

Dude are you serious? Giving everyone an even playing field is not a "hand out"

[Mealticket 0]

Have you worked on a server before? If so, forgive me, but if not, please notice how you understood the logistical complication involved in a project dealing with a huge amount of players, such as this. This is a project derived of the desire to offer people a pure Vanilla experience, and for free at that. It is entirely made for the community, by people who, thankfully for us, are willing to donate both their time and skill to do so. It is to my understanding that the most pleasing option, statistically, would be the most voted one. Of course, that the team must have indeed analyzed these options and did not choose their release schedule at random, and because I trust them, I do not contest. I merely stated how I would've done things, with my current knowledge.

I'll refer you to the above argument that the reason we don't play retail is because they catered to arguments of a very vocal subset. WoW had a ton of potential. The previous community was time tested. I played for 8 months. Some of the hype train people won't be around long, while I'll be pulling my hair out in naxx on Nostalrius PVP.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Mealticket

[aristotheron 0]

I think I am (obviously). What this guy doesn't get is this is what's best for all 3 servers. Nost servers will clearly have lost players over 8 months, so they have to come first so some of the new players can fill in the ranks. You take a 3-4 week break so they have a chance to level, so when the fresh server comes out not all of them jump to the new server. This leaves both Nost servers with a healthy population, and undoubtedly a large population on the fresh server.

It is just amazing how you totally delude yourself about what you're saying and provide no reasoning whatsoever.

 

"so when the fresh server comes out not all of them jump to the new server"

So you admit that most people want a fresh server, but you think they should be forced to play with your level 60 even though they'd rather just have a fresh realm.

 

So from your point of view, not only do you deserve your character back, you deserve to have other people forced to entertain you as well.

 

Yeah you're a real asset to the community.

[Jimmy 2]

Have you worked on a server before?

 

I know you weren't talking to me, but I have, I was an admin on an Ultima Online server which at least gives me some insight in running a private server.

[Jimmy 2]

It is just amazing how you totally delude yourself about what you're saying and provide no reasoning whatsoever.

 

"so when the fresh server comes out not all of them jump to the new server"

So you admit that most people want a fresh server, but you think they should be forced to play with your level 60 even though they'd rather just have a fresh realm.

 

So from your point of view, not only do you deserve your character back, you deserve to have other people forced to entertain you as well.

 

Yeah you're a real asset to the community.

 

Yeah, I'm the illiterate one, lol.

 

Weren't you the one saying it's all about what's best for the community? Way to completely ignore my extremely logical, and very correct, assessment of why it's best to delay the fresh server.

[aristotheron 0]

Yeah, I'm the illiterate one, lol.

 

Weren't you the one saying it's all about what's best for the community? Way to completely ignore my extremely logical, and very correct, assessment of why it's best to delay the fresh server.

You might be dealing with a very serious psychosis here.

 

You didn't provide any logic or reasoning.

 

You just laid out a hypothesis about how you predict things will go with no reasoning.

 

Try reading a book once.

[Jimmy 2]

obvious troll is becoming far more obvious.

 

Yup.

 

So, excited for Nost servers on the 17th?

[Mealticket 0]

The retail community got super toxic since I quit... Or maybe they're just sending the trolls here to destroy Nostalrius before it can return.

[Tholren 7]

I'll refer you to the above argument that the reason we don't play retail is because they catered to arguments of a very vocal subset. WoW had a ton of potential. The previous community was time tested. I played for 8 months. Some of the hype train people won't be around long after I'm pulling my hair out in naxx on Nostalrius PVP.

 

To be fair, it was not the casual, but very vocal minority, that drove WoW to where it is now, but the fact that they started basing their decisions on what would draw more players, in order to generate more profit. This happened, as many know, after Blizzard was acquired by Activision. Not the players' fault, by far. Of course that in no way this invalidates what you said, and I very much agree that the word of some is worth more than others when it comes to how long they will actually play for. I maintain my preference for a vote. But I fully understand why that is not possible. In fact, it is probably foolish of me to think that people would vote in anything other than the realm they want to play on.

[Papajimboh 12]

Dude are you serious? Giving everyone an even playing field is not a "hand out"

 

Dude, like totes magotes serious. Have you played Legion? You can get raid ready from questing while half asleep. You can get a legendary from spending 3 minutes riding a manasaber on autorun over glowy spots on the ground. 

Yes, handouts.

It's not an even playing field. It's a random playing field. The players are like the balls on a roulette wheel.  

[Papajimboh 12]

Double post, whoops.  

Edited December 7, 2016 by Papajimboh