Is Ret Paladin Good In PvE?

[Asherdoom 5]

Inb4 you trashtalk more with false information where Warrior offtank are the ones that should always bring Nightfall with them and not Paladin since it suck for dps:

 

https://forum.elysium-project.org/index.php?showtopic=22868

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

hey iller you here aswell?? remember me? I was Kharadras in vanilla wow tank pally happy to see your face here!

[Rakesh 2]

Back to topic.

 

In short:

 

Is Ret Paladin Good In PvE? = No

 

Digging a bit deeper:

 

Is Ret Paladin Good Enough for raiding in an average guild = Yes

[kackspritz 0]

Are you stupid?

 

What did i wrote there and where the вау i mention lifestealing there?

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

 

I don't even need to ask you if you are ваууing retarded, you are.

Why the вау are you coming in with Lifestealing weapon proc when people are talking about the enchant? Who the вау gives a фекал about the weapon proc in that moment? Yeah right, I know exactly why, I'm just not sure whether you are trying to lie to me or yourself.

 

 

Yo there is oxygen in the air.

http://www.education.com/science-fair/article/oxygen-in-air/

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question493.htm

https://www.reference.com/science/percentage-air-breathe-oxygen-fe7da7e70f7fb40f

 

Oh and paper is made from wood, look:

http://www.madehow.com/Volume-2/Paper.html

http://wipapercouncil.org/about-paper/how-paper-is-made/

 

 

Just keeping some evidence up. Just saying.

 

 

 

"All item based self heals will no longer be effected by equipment that provides bonuses to healing. This change affects both the Arcanite Champion and the Crusader Enchantment." http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.7.0

Your "proof" was about healing gear, not the spell damage. And we know that the damage from items can be increased (see my proof).

 

That doesn't have anything to do with Lifestealing. And that a weapon chance on hit proc scales with spell power doesn't make enchant damage from items scale with spell power in general.

 

And since random comments on the internet proves (or even only imply something) stuff on vanilla Paladin forums, here again:

 

http://db.vanillagam...254#wh-comments

By Nibbly on 02/28/2008 (Patch 2.3.3)

This effect *does not scale* with spell damage/heal equipment.

Edited December 17, 2016 by kackspritz

[killerduki 54]

I don't even need to ask you if you are ваууing retarded, you are.

Why the вау are you coming in with Lifestealing weapon proc when people are talking about the enchant? Who the вау gives a фекал about the weapon proc in that moment? Yeah right, I know exactly why, I'm just not sure whether you are trying to lie to me or yourself.

 

This is "Is Ret Paladin Good in PvE" Topic and i was referring that Evidence, because it is highly Viable and good for Retribution Paladin since the Evidence shows that this weapon should scale extremely high with Spell Damage.

 

You came out start talking фекал that my proof was for Lifestealing , which i didn't mention that Enchant at all , neither i interfere with that discussion at all.

 

If you are unable to comprehend "Topic Name" and discussion about "Topic" please leave this section and get the вау off.

 

Yes Lifestealing Enchant should not scale with Spell Damage if that makes you so happy , but literally this will nerf only Theloras himself , Paladin Retribution will still be able to do 1k DPS and be Viable with full T2.5 Gear and at least poor weapon like Draconic Maul Mace.

 

Your фекал arguments that nerfing Lifestealing will actually change anything, is just Garbage fact.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 17, 2016 by killerduki

[simppi 3]

That doesn't have anything to do with Lifestealing. And that a weapon chance on hit proc scales with spell power doesn't make enchant damage from items scale with spell power in general.

 

And since random comments on the internet proves (or even only imply something) stuff on vanilla Paladin forums, here again:

 

http://db.vanillagam...254#wh-comments

By Nibbly on 02/28/2008 (Patch 2.3.3)

This effect *does not scale* with spell damage/heal equipment.

We know that one kind of lifestealing does increase from SP. The only thing your "proof" proves that their nerf to healing from items and enchants is working.

[kackspritz 0]

This is "Is Ret Paladin Good in PvE" Topic and i was referring that Evidence, because it is highly Viable and good for Retribution Paladin since the Evidence shows that this weapon should scale extremely high with Spell Damage.

 

You came out start talking фекал that my proof was for Lifestealing , which i didn't mention that Enchant at all , neither i interfere with that discussion at all.

 

If you are unable to comprehend "Topic Name" and discussion about "Topic" please leave this section and get the вау off.

 

Yes Lifestealing Enchant should not scale with Spell Damage if that makes you so happy , but literally this will nerf only Theloras himself , Paladin Retribution will still be able to do 1k DPS and be Viable with full T2.5 Gear and at least poor weapon like Draconic Maul Mace.

 

Your фекал arguments that nerfing Lifestealing will actually change anything, is just Garbage fact.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

 

I can't facepalm hard enough at this bullshit. This is the third time now: People talking about Lifestealing enchant and you come in out of nowhere with that weapon proc bullshit with a Lifestealing proc, it was perfectly expectable you are trying to prove the enchant scales with SP.

Some other guy post his "proof" SP+Lifestealing enchant from a bug report that concerns a weapon proc, you quote that guy and agree that the enchant scales with SP

 

Yes , Haters going to hate .

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

and you are telling me you just oh just wanted to keep evidence up herp derp. Evidence for what? That Neretzek proc scales with SP? Cool, who gives a фекал?

 

 

Piss off with your фекал about thread name. "Is Ret Paladin good in PvE?" Where do you read "please randomly post some diarrhea about Neretzek about how it scales with SP"?

 

And why are you getting triggered about how Ret can do 1k dps? And where? With pulling the BWL dragonlings and the engi shield? LOL Give me a screenshot of a Ret with full T2.5 and Draconic Maul (LOL) doing single target 1k dps and no Consecration bug, because thats where it matters. Gotta love the hot boiling sodium from you lol, where did I imply that Ret is фекал? This is for accuracy about LS enchant. I play Ret myself lol. But I feel so ashamed that I play the same spec as you. In 99% of your post anywhere in vanilla forums you are so completely blinded by your belief that Ret and Prot are super great spec, which they are infact not. Ret lacks a strike button and meaningful Ret only raid support, Prot doesn't have a taunt and no spec intern mana regen, get real. Yes they work if fully buffed and with consumes, but anything Ret/Prot does a War/rogue does better, that's how it is, deal with it.

You are a complete laughingstock on r/wowservers/ and anywhere else. https://www.reddit.com/r/wowservers/comments/5a5jkg/protection_paladin_maintanking/

Great thread you got going there!

 

And you know, I wouldn't have said anything if you didn't start with an "Are you stupid?". Great way to participate in a discussion!

 

 

We know that one kind of lifestealing does increase from SP. The only thing your "proof" proves that their nerf to healing from items and enchants is working

 

Yes, and your "proof" Neretzek bug report that Lifestealing enchant scales with SP is still not a proof.

[simppi 3]

Yes, and your "proof" Neretzek bug report that Lifestealing enchant scales with SP is still not a proof.

We know that items and enchants work the same way when it comes to healing, so it's logical to assume they would work the same when it comes to damage aswell.

[killerduki 54]

I am Retard

 

Your wish has been granted.

 

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Theloras 108]

I don't want to get into the argument for Lifestealing enchant but as far as the argument whether the axe Drain Life proc scales with spell damage:

 

Neretzek, The Blood Drinker

Binds when picked up

Two-hand

Axe

202 - 303 Damage

Speed 3.70

(68.2 damage per second)

+21 Strength

+16 Stamina

Durability 120 / 120

Requires Level 60

Chance on hit: Steals 141 to 164 life from target enemy.

 

Did in fact scale at a very high scaling % of spell dmg as can be seen in this screenshot:

 

 

Which is from the YouTube video:

 

Xolkar 20/0/31 Paladin PvP

https://youtu.be/Pk_kHHI0t4o?t=95

Uploaded on Aug 13, 2006

Edited December 19, 2016 by Theloras

[Asherdoom 5]

dont you guys realize this game is 12 years old and was a RPG mostly were ppl SHOULD have fun instead of turning to nolife number spammers ? If someone wish to play ret pve and you criminalize it, you are the idiot, not the paladin in question. Every person should play as he / she wishes not as a powergamer no lifer want.

[Fightmilk 0]

I never played pally in vanilla but switched over in tbc. Ret pally became viable raid dps in tbc because of windfury. Pretty ironic since pally never had it available in vanilla.

[Strahl 2]

can you do decent dps? probably

would you do alot better with another class with similar dedication? absolutely

on any private server I played pally dps was revolving arround quite a few positive bugs. can't tell if its the same here as I never really did any elaborate math on the matter so far.

Edited December 21, 2016 by Travolta

[killerduki 54]

on any private server I played pally dps was revolving arround quite a few positive bugs. can't tell if its the same here as I never really did any elaborate math on the matter so far.

 

Tell me which private server paladin have few bugs....

 

This is the server right now that have "few bugs" , in other servers they have "Extremely too many bugs".

 

"Few bugs" and "Extremely too many bugs" are 2 different things.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Yoga 3]

To OP:s question is retribution paladin good in PVE answer is No. It's that simple. If you wan't to talk about is it viable then yes.

Bottom line is that same effort dd class vs ret paladin other pure-dps classes will win 99% of the time.

You need to do more effort to accomplish same dps as rogues, warriors, maages and warlocks. But if you are willing to play with players that put less effort to the game than you are but play's good pve dps classes and do same dps with them then i think you can find a guild that allows u play retri as long as you get same results as other dd's.

 

On horde side we had Smiter priest who used flask's in raids and potted and runed on CD and did same kind a dps as mid-level mages and warlocks and he was allowed to play his spec as he wanted. If our raid would require everyone to use flasks and go super tryhard on dps he would probably lose his spot but we don't care if we clear BWL 15 mins faster or not as long as we don't slack and have good time.

Edited December 21, 2016 by Yoga

[Theloras 108]

fyi as far as weapon procs that drain life...

Ancient Hakkari Manslayer
Binds when picked up
One-hand Axe
69 - 130 Damage
Speed 2.00 (49.8 damage per second)
Durability 105 / 105
Requires Level 60
Chance on hit: Steals 48 to 55 life from target enemy.

By thantik on 09/14/2006 (Patch 1.12.0)
The chance on hit for this axe IS affected by dmg/healing, in turn actually giving you a 200% bonus from it, as the dmg portion is directly affected as well as the heal. (i.e. if you have 400dmg/heal this axe will proc for 448-454dmg, and heal you for that much as well.) Other items which have a similar proc to them are also affected in this manner.

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=19852#wh-comments

[StrikaR 0]

After the recent buffs I would say things changed a bit.

A real step in the right direction.

[simppi 3]

41 minutes ago, StrikaR said:

After the recent buffs I would say things changed a bit.

A real step in the right direction.

I'd use the word "fixes" instead of "buffs".

[StrikaR 0]

Just now, simppi said:

I'd use the word "fixes" instead of "buffs".

Haha ;-) I guess you are right but these "bugs" have existed for so many years now :P It felt like it was supposed to be this way so my mind interpreted the "fix" as a "buff"

Anyway I'm quite happy about them!

[simppi 3]

Just now, StrikaR said:

Haha ;-) I guess you are right but these "bugs" have existed for so many years now :P It felt like it was supposed to be this way so my mind interpreted the "fix" as a "buff"

Anyway I'm quite happy about them!

Yea, having played very little on retail vanilla, and so long ago, compared to priv servers, it's easy to confuse what is real and what is bugg.

[Theloras 108]

Yes, my fellow brothers and sisters of the Light - we have finally reached the Promised Land with our fixes making us for the first time on any private server 100% Blizzlike...

 

[Zotac 3]

theloras do you think now in with this core the paladin is the best paladin of all private servers? i mean major bugs fixed etc, because if you have a not so good class in PVE and the class is full buggy its like фекал plus фекал = big фекал

[Theloras 108]

37 minutes ago, Zotac said:

theloras do you think now in with this core the paladin is the best paladin of all private servers?

yes

Yes

YES

FUCK YES!!!!!!!!

For the first time since 2006 and retail Vanilla, I can honestly say that Retribution is 100% Blizzlike here on Elysium :)

[killerduki 54]

57 minutes ago, Theloras said:

yes

Yes

YES

FUCK YES!!!!!!!!

For the first time since 2006 and retail Vanilla, I can honestly say that Retribution is 100% Blizzlike here on Elysium :)

That's what i been saying even before merge about this server :)

They just didn't took it serious ;)

/Kind regards Killerduki

[judgejewdy 0]

yeah ret is perfect here i mean if something is off or different its not huge. it feels good to play knowing your talents work right. only the noobs who rage at consencration "nerf" are mad. they ran around with 10% sanc aura not even realising it didnt work before with command 

[Zotac 3]

Is retry good in PVE? NO.
can you play pala ret in PVE in non-hardcore guilds and progress on PVE content, YES ofc like any other spec

and yes im going to play retribution because i rly like paladins but in vanilla retribution is not a good PVE spec and we have to deal with it.