Gear dependent classes

[Brighthand 0]

Which are the classes that can be competitive in pvp using their pve gear ?Ratings?

[Darkwinjax 0]

rogues hunters and paladins.

 

would be my best bet.

[Brighthand 0]

i get it for rogues,,,but palas?why?

 

ive read that the least dependent are rogues,mages,spriests and locks but i need to know why and if its true.

[Strahl 2]

every class. wow, who would have thought.

 

T1 content all except warrior

T2 content warrior becomes really good

 

T2.5+ content is good for any class

 

 

from T1 till end

hunter

lock

rogue

mage

 

classes who scale best:

rogue

mage

hunter

lock

warrior

 

at some point in game hunters and locks are downright nuts. good/massive HP and retardedly high dmg output.

warrior and rogue also hit way too hard at some point.

mage also scales well, but imo not as good as the other classes mentioned

 

 

all taken from personal experience in various private vanilla servers. ymmv

Edited December 20, 2016 by Travolta

[Spanishboss 1]

rogues hunters and paladins.

 

would be my best bet.

 

Eventho i love my frend winjax, he is really wrong with this one.

 

Paladins are prolly the least gear dependant class in game their skills dont scale at all with healing, all blessings are low mana cost, so is cleanse and every other skill. Their main role is to support and not to heal whole time, once they get good healer they scale and become OP since they can do all mentioned before AND also heal like machines.

 

 

other class that is low gear dependant to complete their role ( IN BGS only) would be frost mage, since you dont have to do direct damage, just peel(slow) and cc, and those dont scale with gear. Nevetheless the more gear you have the more you ll dmg and the more survivavility you ll have. But just talking about BASIC stuff without requiring gear. Unlike warriors, who rely 100% on gear, or warlocks and shamans.

[Zawa 1]

Warlock pve gear is pretty much pvp gear. If I wanted to pvp and still be competitive without having to go through the ranking grind, I'd go with warlock.

[Brighthand 0]

I get that warrior is the mose dependant...what ive actually want to ask is which classes can be competitive in bgs with their pve gear?for example warriors can get high def and hp from theirs but on pvp as arms and fury will be useless with that kind of gear.Rogue or mage can still be threat to the opponents even with their pve gear.Im asking cause i doubt ican go as far as grind for pvp gear but i really like pvp i dont wanna feel that i cant do фекал if i dont get pvp tiers so searching for a class that can do well without the rank 14 gear.Ive heard shadow priests can be a good example still dunno. 

Edited December 20, 2016 by Brighthand

[Brighthand 0]

My guesses would be Rogue,Mage,Priest and Lock... though the only one im sure is Rogue

[Darkwinjax 0]

i get it for rogues,,,but palas?why?

 

ive read that the least dependent are rogues,mages,spriests and locks but i need to know why and if its true.

 

it all comes down to which class benefits most from having r12-13 set (the 2-3 piece combo is still BiS for alot of classes even in naxx)

 

I wouldn't play mage without r13 gear as you're going to be stuck in sub 4k hp for along time

 

 

Paladin t2 is super solid for pvp specially in nostalrius patch progression

Paladin t2.5 is BiS for ret / reck if thats your thing forever

Paladin t3 is absolutly batshit retarded

 

Do rogues gain anything from r12-r13? No

 

Do warriors gain anything from r12-r13? Yeah 2-3 piece bonus is crazy good and you'll always have atleast 2 of those up til naxx, and the full PvP set is absolutly BiS for pvp for along along time

 

Do mages get anything from r12-r13? They have the most valuable PvP set in the game, it's really ваууing OP and they will always use 2 piece and almost every piece of the set holds it's weight even with naxx gear implements

 

Do warlocks get anything from r12-r13? The 2 piece shoulder + gloves combo is BiS, but indeed the difference from it to full t3 is not that significant, but we are talking naxx, the pvp set is very solid (not close to being as good as mages though) throughout whole content

 

And shadowpriests not relying on PvP gear?????? You're crazy, if there's one class who absolutly can't be competitive without r13 until AQ40-NAXX it's shadowpriest, and you're still gonna get outscaled in NAXX and like I said you're problably gonna use 2 pieces of r12-r13 aswell.

 

Only class who trully has no need for r12-r13 is rogue, and even though all classes benefit from their PvP set, the value you get from having it goes down throughout the content, but the 2 piece combo is still used alot even in naxx, in some classes being more or less valuable than others.

 

Best example I can give you of this is that a mage in full t2 is going to have arround 2.8-2.9k hp while a mage in r13 gear is going to have atleast 4k+

[Darkwinjax 0]

Eventho i love my frend winjax, he is really wrong with this one.

 

Paladins are prolly the least gear dependant class in game their skills dont scale at all with healing, all blessings are low mana cost, so is cleanse and every other skill. Their main role is to support and not to heal whole time, once they get good healer they scale and become OP since they can do all mentioned before AND also heal like machines.

 

 

other class that is low gear dependant to complete their role ( IN BGS only) would be frost mage, since you dont have to do direct damage, just peel(slow) and cc, and those dont scale with gear. Nevetheless the more gear you have the more you ll dmg and the more survivavility you ll have. But just talking about BASIC stuff without requiring gear. Unlike warriors, who rely 100% on gear, or warlocks and shamans.

 

my comment refered about what class benefits most from PvE gear, i'm assuming he doesn't want to have to rank a character to do good in PvP, not which class is more gear dependent in general,

[Darkwinjax 0]

The difference from full t2 to r13 on my warlock is of 100+ spellpower and 300-400hp point is that in AQ40 patch ill have access to not only Aq40 warlock tier that is pretty Solid but i'd be able to swap arround with set bonus and min max my char from r13, at the end of the day these small gear differences add up unless u are fully decked out in the best of the best that PvE has to offer, and even then you'll still be disavantaged (although redundantly small) compared to someone who has access to both best from PvE and best from PvP

[Brighthand 0]

Still i cant quite understand how for example a class like pala which his pve gear is for support can become a dmg dealer in pvp....i mean...mages will get dmg from anything on their gear since its a pur dmg dealing class....warlock too...

[Brighthand 0]

Btw im not expecting to dominate those who are rank 14 but i dont wanna feel like im gonna get crushed 100%.Since i cant get rank 14(too many hours dedicated) i can still imagine myself get to the point of gathering end game pve gear.

[iolwtf 1]

I wouldn't play mage without r13 gear as you're going to be stuck in sub 4k hp for along time

Why would you want that much HP as a mage?

4k is only needed when you have Naxx damage

[Fubbzy 0]

Btw im not expecting to dominate those who are rank 14 but i dont wanna feel like im gonna get crushed 100%.Since i cant get rank 14(too many hours dedicated) i can still imagine myself get to the point of gathering end game pve gear.

pve gear is good for PvP an vanilla, u won't be getting owned unless u suck or the classes you fight counter u. I didn't read фекал in this thread but there are some long posts that are probably correct... IMO go hunter or lock cuz they naturally get lots of HP from their tier gear, and have less competition for raidspots than other classes usually

[Ohhgee 3]

if your question is which classes are the least gear dependent, it would prob look something like this (Tier 1 being classes than can excel with minimal gear) -

Tier 1: Mage, Rogue, Paladin (Holy)

Tier 2: Hunter, Warlock, Druid (FC spec)

Tier 3: Priest, Shaman (Eleresto)

Tier 4: Warrior

If your question is which classes have PvE items that are useful in PvP, then the answer is really all of them. Because there is no PvP-specific stat like resilience, basically any piece with good itemization and some Stamina on it can be considered PvP gear, even if it comes from PvE.

Two specific examples of raid gear that is amazing for PvP are Rogue and Hunter T1. Rogue T1 has a 5-piece set bonus that is gamebreaking in PvP, and Hunter T1 is a much better for PvP than the r10 set.

Edited December 20, 2016 by Ohhgee

[Strahl 2]

stop darkwinjax, you making it worse

your wall of text post was good kek already

even in T1 you are able to reach 4k life as mage. T2 is a little less stamina, but still 100% viable and fine and dandy and all that stuff. comparing setbonuses, +sta and -cd on blink are nice. having 25% more range on blizz and a freaking instant cast proc is savage though. don't get me started on the huge mana pool T2 has. sp and crit is somewhat similar.

[Darkwinjax 0]

stop darkwinjax, you making it worse your wall of text post was good kek already even in T1 you are able to reach 4k life as mage. T2 is a little less stamina, but still 100% viable and fine and dandy and all that stuff. comparing setbonuses, +sta and -cd on blink are nice. having 25% more range on blizz and a freaking instant cast proc is savage though. don't get me started on the huge mana pool T2 has. sp and crit is somewhat similar.

 

you are retarded if you think t2 comes even close to r13.

 

t1 4k hp mage?????? nice joke lmao

[Strahl 2]

It does not come close to R13 in terms of stamina, obviously not. I never claimed that it did.

Yes, 4k life with T1 content is possible. its not necessary though as iol pointed out. everything from 3-4k should be totally fine as frostmage until dmg becomes retardedly high.

also, as javi noted its not really that important to have burst potential if you play a supportive role as frost mage.

Edited December 21, 2016 by Travolta

[Darkwinjax 0]

It does not come close to R13 in terms of stamina, obviously not. I never claimed that it did.

Yes, 4k life with T1 content is possible. its not necessary though as iol pointed out. everything from 3-4k should be totally fine as frostmage until dmg becomes retardedly high.

also, as javi noted its not really that important to have burst potential if you play a supportive role as frost mage.

 

ofc, if you want to go that way you can play naked mage too, doesn't take a genius and gear is no impairment on how well you play mage in group pvp, stuff like that just comes down to gamesense of the player itself.

 

gl beating warlocks on a 3k hp mage with 300 SP @ t2 content, maybe say that spec isn't necessary either and just play elemental mage to make the joke even bigger

[Spanishboss 1]

ofc, if you want to go that way you can play naked mage too, doesn't take a genius and gear is no impairment on how well you play mage in group pvp, stuff like that just comes down to gamesense of the player itself.

 

gl beating warlocks on a 3k hp mage with 300 SP @ t2 content, maybe say that spec isn't necessary either and just play elemental mage to make the joke even bigger

 

FREDEEE man what the guy is asking is which classes can PVP without gear, in other words, which classes can be useful in BGS even with no gear. There is no need for a mage to "beat" a warlock, the only need is to SLOW, CC and be annoying, and all of those are the same if you run in greens or in t6. The only difference is survivavility and dmg, which obviusly applies to everyone.

 

So idk who Johntravolta is, but he spot on on the mage role arguement.

[Oakenlix 79]

It's fascinating how many people missed the actual question of this thread, which is "what classes are good for PvP in PvE gear".

[killerduki 54]

http://web.archive.org/web/20061110225817/http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11931828&sid=1

 

November 10 2006

 

The most gear dependant class in the game, or the class that is made or broken most by the gear it is wearing, is the Warrior. But we’re second on that list! Remembering that keeping your weapon, armor, and even your trinkets up-to-date is critical to having a powerful character. Don’t go into a gunfight with a stick, and don’t run into an epic battle with a green. But which stats, you may ask, are most critical to a paladin and what do they all do?

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Strahl 2]

But we’re second on that list!

No you are not. If you play smart and not an utterly retarded spec you are gods in T1. Sod off.

But which stats, you may ask, are most critical to a paladin and what do they all do?

+1 to chromosomes.

[Ravni 2]

Whatever you do, don't play a druid to PvP unless you are wiling to rank grind for the speed set bonus. You could get by sub-optimally with the R8 4-piece blue gear, but you really want at least R12, and preferably R13 for the best 3 piece combo.

 

It is by far the most important & unique set bonus from the PvP gear and not just for flagrunning - it completely transforms the way the class is played. Once you get used to moving in bear form at 124% speed, or travel at 160%, the class feels almost unplayable without it.