Sword or Dagger for leveling?

[Redthirst 1]

Which one is better, and why?

 

Which one is better in PvP(while leveling)?

 

Does Sword builds also allow you to use Maces?

[Turbz 2]

Go combat swords for leveling you will deal a lot more damage. Daggers is good when your lvl60 with lots more crit

[gotmilk0112 10]

Sword; daggers are pretty weak for leveling, and swords are the most common weapon. Plus there's really nice фекал like Thrash Blade.

Edited December 20, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[Seratehi 23]

Which one is better, and why?

 

Which one is better in PvP(while leveling)?

 

Does Sword builds also allow you to use Maces?

 

Combat-spec for leveling without any Weapon Specialisation: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oxZMxEdbVz0fo

For that build you need any much slow weapon in MH with high damage by hit(not DPS) and fastest weapon in OH(any 1.3-1.5 seems good).

 

During leveling you will be change any types of weapons each... 10-15lvls. 99% what your last blue weapons will be Swords' Set from Rend, and before them you'll be use blue mace Bonesnapper from AH long time. Do you want to pay 20 and more gold by spec change each 10-15lvls?

 

Dagger build isn't comfortable for PvE like a Combat coz u need to be in stealth and/or behind mobs most of time. But you can try.

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fheboxuAohZV0ec

Slow in MH with high damage by hit, fast in OH.

But is VERY HARD to find any dagger while leveling, u must to know it.

 

Combat build is good for PvE only(coz have pure damage only but much less mobility and control than PvP builds), Dagger is good for PvP with nuke against clothers...

 

Try this for "PvP while leveling": http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oxZhZxMe0chRqo

Less damage but more control as against usual mobs while leveling as in PvP.

No any fixed weapons(as swords as maces both), good survival.

[Redthirst 1]

Combat-spec for leveling without any Weapon Specialisation: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oxZMxEdbVz0fo

For that build you need any much slow weapon in MH with high damage by hit(not DPS) and fastest weapon in OH(any 1.3-1.5 seems good).

 

During leveling you will be change any types of weapons each... 10-15lvls. 99% what your last blue weapons will be Swords' Set from Rend, and before them you'll be use blue mace Bonesnapper from AH long time. Do you want to pay 20 and more gold by spec change each 10-15lvls?

 

Dagger build isn't comfortable for PvE like a Combat coz u need to be in stealth and/or behind mobs most of time. But you can try.

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fheboxuAohZV0ec

Slow in MH with high damage by hit, fast in OH.

But is VERY HARD to find any dagger while leveling, u must to know it.

 

Combat build is good for PvE only(coz have pure damage only but much less mobility and control than PvP builds), Dagger is good for PvP with nuke against clothers...

 

Try this for "PvP while leveling": http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oxZhZxMe0chRqo

Less damage but more control as against usual mobs while leveling as in PvP.

No any fixed weapons(as swords as maces both), good survival.

Well, to be fair, you don't need to stay behind the enemy to backstab them.You can clip through enemies to essentially face-stab them. Furthermore, I'm playing with my brother(who plays Hunter), so I often can just get free backstabs.

 

So assuming that I can freely backstab my enemies, do you still think that Combat Sword build is better than Combat Dagger one?

[Seratehi 23]

Well, to be fair, you don't need to stay behind the enemy to backstab them.You can clip through enemies to essentially face-stab them. Furthermore, I'm playing with my brother(who plays Hunter), so I often can just get free backstabs.

 

So assuming that I can freely backstab my enemies, do you still think that Combat Sword build is better than Combat Dagger one?

 

I played by rogue on Emerald Dream from he was open till he was closed. R11.

 

Combat Spec = face to face, more than one mob is possible, stable dps during all fight. U don't need to be stealthed and/or behind of mobs and any special type of weapon(like a daggers only for Assasin spec), just running from mob to mob.

 

Dagger Spec = always behind, must be stealthed for Ambush, only one mob, burst dps in PvP.

Leveling troubles in Assasin spec: 

a) most time target isn't alone so other nearest mobs can detect you

is very hard to find any dagger while leveling before 50lvl

c) you can nothing against 2 and more mobs

d) some mobs put DoTs(poison from spiders, oozyes; phys damage dots from animals like a cats; curses from humanoids; desease DoTs; etc.) on you very often: no stealth with them. Or you must to have tons of Anti-venom(First Aid skill 25lvl+ but worked fine for 60lvl too, so you can use them on 60 against 60lvls instead of expensive Huge Sac from spiders in Weastern Plagualands) but it will be working only against Poison, not for Desease or Curse.

e) weak hits for all attacks expect Ambush and Backstab, even for Sinister Stike

 

So in Combat spec you can kill mobs more comfortable, safe and faster than in Dagger.

Bt we talking only about build for leveling: solo questing.

 

For raids much later you can use daggers in pve. And even in combat tree.)

Combat dagger PvE spec: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#f0xfoxxZMhE00EZV

[justweird 0]

Well, to be fair, you don't need to stay behind the enemy to backstab them.You can clip through enemies to essentially face-stab them. Furthermore, I'm playing with my brother(who plays Hunter), so I often can just get free backstabs.

 

So assuming that I can freely backstab my enemies, do you still think that Combat Sword build is better than Combat Dagger one?

I would still go swords. Riposte is OP with slower mainhands, swords/maces are more plentiful while leveling, and I would imagine sidestepping through mobs for backstabs would get old while grinding.

[Drain 19]

Swords will always be best face to face with mobs. Maces could be good in theory but there aren't enough of them to go around. Almost all the dungeon drops and quest rewards are swords. Daggers only excel at shanking from behind, which means someone else needs to have the mob's attention. If you want to be versatile, you could slot Hemo for mobs.

Edited December 21, 2016 by Drain

[Ghostly 0]

Combat Swords is clearly the better choice for leveling.

You receive 5% hit chance from talent, swords are easier to come by than daggers, you'll want to use a +1-5 damage enchant on your main hand to buff your sinister strike, don't bother with an off-hand enchant since 15 agility is so expensive and not really worth it for leveling unless you have tons of money. You could always put a cheaper option like fiery weapon on your off-hand.

Subtlety is more of a PvP spec, it has lots of cooldowns and control but the damage is weak compared to Combat. Assassination I'm guessing is decent but it also lacks cooldowns and probably isn't as good as Swords although I've never tested the difference. One thing with poisons is the lack of spell hit, so you'll likely resist/lose out on your talent point gains on higher level mobs where combat is mostly damage from white hits and you get some hit rating from the talents.

Good luck.

[Redthirst 1]

Well, I started with Maces because I was able to find a cheap and good one on the AH, but I'll likely switch to swords once I find a good one.

 

But what is the purpose of having a fast weapon in the off-hand? What if the only fast weapon I can find a rather weak dagger?

Edited December 25, 2016 by Redthirst

[Ghostly 0]

Check out Oto's rogue guide, it's very detailed and will likely teach you a lot of new things.

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=5412&start=0

[Undertanker 88]

Go combat swords for leveling you will deal a lot more damage. Daggers is good when your lvl60 with lots more crit

 

This makes no sense.   Dagger leveling spec is the least geared dependent with over 95% crit (up to 100% crit depending on which talents you take) on ambush w/o factoring in agility with no +crit gear.

 

Swords is better when 60, as it is superior in raids.

 

 

Between 95-100% ambush crit,  40%+ crit on all backstabs, again this is naked.

 

Every fight you will get an ambush, and 2 - 3 backstabs (if using gouge, kidney, gouge in that order) with pooling enough energy prior to ccing so you can backstab before cc duration wears off.

 

It requires paying attention, but is very effective.

Edited December 26, 2016 by Undertanker

[Ghostly 0]

This makes no sense.   Dagger leveling spec is the least geared dependent with over 95% crit (up to 100% crit depending on which talents you take) on ambush w/o factoring in agility with no +crit gear.

 

Swords is better when 60, as it is superior in raids.

 

 

Between 95-100% ambush crit,  40%+ crit on all backstabs, again this is naked.

 

Every fight you will get an ambush, and 2 - 3 backstabs (if using gouge, kidney, gouge in that order) with pooling enough energy prior to ccing so you can backstab before cc duration wears off.

 

It requires paying attention, but is very effective.

Yes that's true, stuff does die quick from a couple hits with ambush/backstab but then your also dealing with stealth/slowing between kills, having to use extra energy just to backstab and daggers are hard to come by when leveling in addition.

It just seems to make more sense to combat spec your way up, everything dies quick and doesn't rely on RNG crits to be very effective, no stealth spam after every kill, can AoE 2 mobs every 2 minutes etc.

[ismeckye 7]

When playing dagger I just run up to the mob, hit it once with SS, get SnD going and then Backstab away on it when strafing. When you get the hang of it you can backstab everytime energy is up.

[Ram 11]

Try mace spec for less damage received and less downtimes, plus stamina in gear becomes less important than agi/str/ap.

[mortisxamor 0]

Just go slow sward MH fast dagger OH...this hits plenty hard for leveling and keeps you leveled for when you hit 60.

[GoldenEye 3]

I went sub daggers for leveling because I don't care about getting to 60 faster with swords. I enjoy the playstyle of ambush and backstab. I play on the PVP server so I know at anytime while leveling I will have a chance to actually put pressure on other players in PVP. Those opening ambushes can hit hard and while chasing down clothies or hunters getting off that crucial hit hurts more with backstab than SS. Plus I spec into moving faster while stealth (camouflage) which I like for both PVP and PVE purposes. I also throw points into master of deception to have better stealth and not get seen so easy in PVP and PVE.

At the end of the day I would just play what you think you will enjoy on your journey to level cap. For me, the fun is in the journey, not how fast you get there. 

 

Edited January 17, 2017 by GoldenEye

[Rogueh 0]

I'm leveling with dagger spec, +5% crit chance with daggers is awsome, so much more dps thant sword. Plus swords are boring as fuck and slow shit. Cyahh

Edited January 17, 2017 by Rogueh

[toniplavna 20]

I agree but in crowded realm like Anathema will be pain. I use the best weapon that I have so weapon specialization is no for me :/ But mace one , at least 1 pt is nice, cuz the stun. 

Also , does Master of deception helps vs 60 lvl players? I think that they see you from miles away anyway?

Also, what you guys using after opener, sinister, ghostly strike? Do you use hemo later? 

Also the last problem for me is broken stealth detection cuz mobs easily detect me

Edited January 21, 2017 by toniplavna

[Kelden 1]

Combat spec

Mace/dagger/sword, whichever is the best deal with the most dps, until level 38, at which point you get sword of serenity and vanquishers sword, and start speccing into sword spec.

 

Np have fun.

[toniplavna 20]

Currently have 2 daggers, so while leveling you  will equip what u got atm. But its leveling, its not that important, play what you like i guess

[Maez 4]

I would just stick with non-dagger main hand weapons ~2.3 speed or higher (base damage matters more than dps for main hand, offhand is just poison procs so a fast dagger with high dps) and not worry about a weapon spec until you start preparing for endgame.  At that point you can respec.

Lvl 20:

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fZG0xz

Lvl 30:

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fZG0Ez0mz

Lvl 40:

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fZGoEd0Vz0fo

Lvl 60:

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhxboxLZGoEd0Vz0fo

 

Then respec at 60 when you have 2 blue swords (Oto's Rogue guide spec):

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#f0xfoxhZMhqbbVzxfo

Edited January 24, 2017 by Maez

[toniplavna 20]

Is there any build that you can pvp and pve with it?

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

Combat swords all the way. You never HAVE to stealth so it takes away the requirement to slowly stalk your mobs to maximize dmg. Plus the 5/5 sword spec talent is very nice and saved my butt more times then I can count when I accidentally pulled too much. Speaking of, this also gives you blade fury which, lets be honest, is the greatest thing for leveling since sliced bread.

[toniplavna 20]

I ll still try to switch later for fun ^^ especially now when they started to gank me