Fresh Server Pvp-Set

[gambinho 11]

Pls make it so that the new Pvp set will be released with bwl or zg patch.

naxx patch is way too far away and makes it not worth ranking and therefore the pvp scene on fresh will be dead

[Blib 14]

R14 weps will still be bis for melee. Having pvp sets as bis for pve and the stacking of multiple set bonuses is pretty wack.

Who knows, it might actually encourage more people to pvp since it won't be dominated by the same handful of NEETs with naxx gear in the bwl patch.

Edited December 30, 2016 by Blib

[Bourbonpie 13]

12 hours ago, Blib said:

R14 weps will still be bis for melee. Having pvp sets as bis for pve and the stacking of multiple set bonuses is pretty wack.

Who knows, it might actually encourage more people to pvp since it won't be dominated by the same handful of NEETs with naxx gear in the bwl patch.

Most of the updated PvP gear is replaced by AQ40 for PvE purposes anyway except a few pieces such as R12 Hunter Gloves etc.

[Chrys 1]

I see absolutely no reason to rank higher (if even that) than rank11 as a priest. 

I would replace r13 gear in ZG-patch anyway. 

PVP-items are suppose to show dominance and e-peen-value because of all the hours you put in to get it. 

[tribe 4]

Everyone with half a brain completely agrees with the fact that updating pvp gear in Naxx is the worst outcome possible. I'm gonna make a big thread about this if I can which can hopefully generate some traction.

[nvnz 0]

By updating PvP armor sets during the 1.11 patch makes them completely nullified with the exception of a few pieces. This would also pretty much ruin a competitive PvP scene ever developing as classes outside of warriors/rogues wouldn't rank past R11 as the R12/13 PvP armor sets are easily replaceable by T2 equivalent pieces. The PvP community would prefer the armor set updates to be in the 1.7 patch as it was originally intended and done with the Nostalrius PvP server.

Edited December 31, 2016 by nvnz

[gambinho 11]

28 minutes ago, tribe said:

Everyone with half a brain completely agrees with the fact that updating pvp gear in Naxx is the worst outcome possible. I'm gonna make a big thread about this if I can which can hopefully generate some traction.

pls do, im not that fluid in english, and not that good informed, that i can pull out a well informing thread that could change the mind of the devs

edit: i dont even know much about the epic gear but for me pretty important is the blue lvl58 pvp gear. that shit is really bad and i think its not worth it to rank to 10 for this

Edited December 31, 2016 by gambinho

[prsina 17]

Why would any1 even rank with this current timeline, what were the devs thinking? I am literally baffled, this decision makes no sense. There is absolutely no incentive to rank if the timeline stays the same, you are going to kill off the PvP scene and it'll be a dragonslaying fest.

There are a lot of people I know who were hyped and excited to rank up, this just killed off the hype. Dragonslayers will dominate pvp while PvPers willing to put in an insane ammount of hours for the prestige and the gear that comes with it will be screwed and will have to literally wait until Naxx for the gear to get updated, and even then it will be crap. We need to make this go viral as the PvP community will be dead. There is a reason why nost made the non-blizzlike exception for PvP sets, because if they did not it would have killed the pvp community and it would give people 0 reason to rank. Why would i put in a few months of gameplay and 16hrs a day past r10 in order to get items that are barely better than t1? Please revise the timeline and make an exception like nost dev team did!

Edited December 31, 2016 by prsina
Grammar

[Hml 0]

For me if it stays like this, I think I'll lvl on Nost PvP instead.

[Procto 9]

sounds like nost pvp all over again

ay lmao

 

[prsina 17]

6 minutes ago, majory200 said:

sounds like nost pvp all over again

ay lmao

 

Well you guys were able to talk some senses into nost staff, the elysium staff is commiting the same mistakes instead of learning from nost devs LUL

[Chikungunya 1]

I was so happy to reroll on the fresh because I wanted to rank on it. If it stays like, I'll probably not reroll at all.

[Bourbonpie 13]

I sent this to Snow in a PM -

 

Hey Snow,

Just wanted to send you a message regarding the scaling of PvP gear for the Elysium server. The vast majority of this gear was extremely poorly balanced and had pretty terrible stats for most classes until Patch 1.11 in retail Vanilla. If as a team you decide to go through with your decision to not update these items until 1.11 it's going to effectively ruin serious PvP for the majority of your hardcore player base.

The only classes that will bother ranking past 10, or 11 for the Mount, will be Rogue and Warrior as the weapons as still relatively decent for them. These people will have a harder time actually ranking to 14 as well due to the fact that the majority of the player base that is ranking will not need to play nearly as much as they do due to the fact that ranking only starts taking significantly more time past rank 10.

Nostalrius did the math behind these changes and came to the conclusion that these upgrades would not effect PvE to the point of it being an issue with current released content - MC, BWL, Ony and ZG. I'm sure you've seen this thread already but here it is incase you haven't - http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4#p1425

A lot of this gear is still replaced for PvE come AQ40, waiting till patch 1.11 to upgrade this gear will make it completely obsolete except for a couple pieces here and there I.E. Rank 12 Hunter Gloves which remain BiS for the entirety of Vanilla.

Sorry for the long message but this is something I feel strongly about. I completely get where you're coming from to maintain a 100% Blizzlike experience, but Nostalrius in it's hay day strove to do the same, but did change this part of Vanilla as it's something Blizzard completely dropped the ball on back then (proper stats, etc) and will completely negate all of the hard work these players want to/will put in to attaining these ranks. I will be playing a Warlock on the Fresh Start and was planning to Rank to 13 prior to me learning about this information, and if it stays this way, I won't rank past 10 as it's not worth the time just for the title.

I understand that part of Ranking to 14 is for the bragging rights and the title but the other half of it is attaining that BiS gear that will last you until BWL/AQ which is quite a long period of time from server release.

Thank you for taking the time to read all of this,

Mark

 

He replied with - 

 

Hello,

 

The PvP Gear update patch has not been solidified yet. It should be prior to the launch though.

 

Kind regards,

Elysium Staff.

 

They haven't announced anything pertaining to it yet so I guess we'll have to wait and see. They really are making a huge mistake if they go through with this though. The original R12/13 gear is barely better than T1, why not let us have that until 1.7 where they upgrade the Gear and we're good to go. Only a few pieces remain BiS in PvE at that point anyway.

 

Edit - that formatting cause of the Copy/Paste. Oh well 

Edited January 1, 2017 by Bourbonpie

[anonymaus 1]

I'm one of those people who was hyped about the fresh server for PvP reasons but after reading the Elysium timeline I completely lost all interest in starting there. I don't even know what to do now, this is sad news.

[hue 1]

Sad news if they don't change this.

[prsina 17]

I don't want to exaggerate, but it would literally destroy the PvP scene.

[Bourbonpie 13]

32 minutes ago, prsina said:

I don't want to exaggerate, but it would literally destroy the PvP scene.

You aren't exaggerating though. I spoke to Snow again and he told me about an hour ago that the PvP gear update timing is still being decided and that it will be ready before launch. There's still hope and we'll know soon

[Enhancement 12]

I hope they don't wait till Naxx for the PvP gear update. If so, I probably won't bother ranking. Such a massive time investment for the high ranks, and it's not worth doing if the gear sucks.

[Larsen 3]

Should be in the ZG patch if they change anything. Not BWL, that's too early.

The Blizzlike route would be kind of bad for a fresh server where everyone knows their item progression from the start and some have already done the grind on Nostalrius. It would kill the motivation for some of the hardcore PvP crowd. However, claims that this will "destroy PvP entirely" are a bit far-fetched; the vast majority of players never even think of getting to R13/14 and wouldn't be affected. Retail vanilla had a PvP scene and nobody in their right mind would say that PvP was pointless until the last patch of vanilla.

The upgraded epic PvP gear is a little on the strong side for the ZG patch, but Naxx is too long to wait. If it has to be either 1.7 or 1.11, the best choice is probably 1.7, but there are still some valid balance concerns with this. Some classes benefit so much from the PvP gear that having it during the ZG patch is controversial. ZG itemization isn't a tier above BWL, it's just more widely available because more people can raid ZG, so the actual difference between PvE and PvP gear doesn't change much by waiting for the ZG patch. As such, balance concerns apply the same to BWL and ZG. It's more about the excessive wait for 1.11, which is probably worse for the server than the balance issue.

You can see why they would consider going Blizzlike, though. It's against the spirit of the game for the best geared players on the server to have gotten there by doing nothing but mindless premades all day. It isn't that great for the PvP scene, either. A lot of the PvP problems on Nostalrius stemmed from the fact that so many people were far too obsessed with grinding honor and racking up wins at all cost because the benefit was so insanely huge. This meant that you had very little chance to be someone in PvP unless you did the same, which is barely possible if you have a life outside WoW, and made for a PvP environment that usually wasn't actually fun because of the methods used.

It would actually be fair to say that the fast-tracked Nostalrius way is really bad for everyone who doesn't do the grind themselves, because it heavily affects how people approach PvP due to the staggering difference that the early availability of the upgraded PvP gear makes. It suppresses everybody else by making the PvP scene a ruthless arms race of permanent premades, instance hopping and things like that. It has a very negative influence on the BG scene and the way that it compels players to exploit it.

Edited January 1, 2017 by Larsen

[Finalflash 2]

lol pvpcucks on life support stay mad /v/irgins

[TheRealJindo 1]

Definitly should update this. I won't PVP myself because I got better things to do as a priest and don't really care about r12/13 gear, but making it to become "GO R14 or gtfo" is pretty awful in every sense of the word.

[void_echo 10]

As long as we're campaigning for non-Blizzlike changes, how about buffing the R12/13 gear to be on par with Naxx gear.

Edited January 1, 2017 by void_echo

[prsina 17]

50 minutes ago, void_echo said:

As long as we're campaigning for non-Blizzlike changes, how about buffing the R12/13 gear to be on par with Naxx gear.

Sure, lets also revert talents to their respective 1.2 versions if you're such a blizzlike fan.

[void_echo 10]

19 minutes ago, prsina said:

Sure, lets also revert talents to their respective 1.2 versions if you're such a blizzlike fan.

Wait what, why would we revert talents if we're not going for Blizzlike? You're campaigning for a solution to an issue that basically stems from PvP and PvE gear disparity, so why not solve it completely?

Edited January 1, 2017 by void_echo

[Celitel 0]

Well if you dont like it, then you should not play on elysium pvp, go play on the other nost funserver where the pvp gear from naxx is already out...., and only people with those magic op items can have fun in world pvp and can piss off on other people, who dont have time to no life it everyday and will make people who is doing pve look like shiit in world pvp etc

Edited January 1, 2017 by Celitel