Don't open 4th server

[synotaxidae 1]

Make a Legion server

[Chowderfish 1]

12 hours ago, Apophis said:

Is it really a large population switching, or (also) many new players starting?

Since I didn't play Nost, I awaited the start of a new realm. I guess many others did too.

Same deal here, I think that quite a large number of new players have come flocking to the fresh server, and that they're not simply leaving Nost PVP and PVE for the fresh experience. Not saying people from those servers aren't joining in on the fresh servers, but I think the majority are new players.

Surely Elysium Project want to fuel the hype and allow this great influx of players to establish themselves here? The argument of "wait and see how badly the hype dies" seems foolish to me because it will if the devs wait, but largely because of the queues, not because they're 'going back' to Nost PVP/PVE (I myself am here FOR the fresh server, not the Nost servers). 

[arbet 9]

23 hours ago, Thurlaion said:

Yes I understand what you mean. But the old PvP Server still has a healthy population. 10:11 CET and 6k people online at old PvP is totaly healthy.

But what you point out is absolutely correct! They shouldn't open a new server too fast. They should wait until the hype for the fresh PvP is gone in order to see how many of the new registered players will stay and play on Elysium. I bet 50% of new players wanna test vanilla and give up due to the long leveling time.

Of course the "old server still has a healthy population". It's only 3 weeks old... and already, the players at low time has halved.

 

Elysium needs to be very careful.

[MichaelTheWegian 0]

On 1/9/2017 at 0:42 PM, Thurlaion said:

There allready IS a mechanic which kicks you out of character selection! But people use bots to avoid it.

Sorry but I dont think there is a kick mechanic on character tcreen.. I forgot to log out yesterday on Nost PVP and now 10 hours later im still logged in on the character screen..

[Pyrognome 3]

6 hours ago, arbet said:

Of course the "old server still has a healthy population". It's only 3 weeks old... and already, the players at low time has halved.

 

Elysium needs to be very careful.

That's rubish. Most Elysium PvP players are from Nostalrius which exist more than 1 year.

[aeruwynn 3]

can we get a good wod 6.1 private server am i right

[Wirt 8]

I think people are obsessed with the high numbers. Having a couple of thousands online at all times per server should be more than enough. As it is now I'm oftenly getting zerged in my lonewolf attacks as a rogue ganking lowbies questing in STV on Nostalrius PVP. I think they should open up another PVP realm as to split up Elysium PVP's population.
 

But the Elysium team's main priority should be to enhance the login servers. Since Elysium PVP opened I've had huge issues even getting to the queue. I literally have to attempt to connect between 20 to above 100 times before getting in line.

[Phillius 0]

The server has just begun and there is no way the population will die down. This hype will last some months if they maintain a good quality and the population will only increase. From the opening of the fresh server Nost - 10k with some queue, PvE - 6k with some queue and Fresh -10k with at least 19k queue. As far as I can see its either release a new fresh server ASAP and accommodate all the people or let the hype die down and lose this opportunity. A fourth realm will not hurt the server. The queue is the reason why the hype will go down.

[Everquest 7]

Even if the population dies down. Part of the reason for that happening is that people get tired of waiting in queue all day, and not playing the game!

I want everyone to be able to play. Not just the people that can afford to wait 7 hours to log in.

[RonaldoR9 2]

opening a 4th server is a must!!

if there is discussion, it should be about a 5th server

[Faith 5]

There is no demand for a fourth server. I play on the PvE realm and it's fine as it is right now. I have heard a few people complain that even it is overpopulated.

I think running 10k connections on a server is a horrible idea. That is why it's a total gank fest. Retail vanilla was not like.. I would scale the connections back to around 6000 personally. However, that will probably not happen. Ah well. 

I'm very happy with the state of the PvE server so whatever they want to do with PvP realms.. is really not up to me. :)

[noob257 36]

On 9.1.2017 at 10:46 AM, Shayss said:

Fuck merging.

This attitude fucked up the retail servers.

If there are too many players for one fresh server, they should open a second one.

When the hype is over, we will see if they are both healthy or need to be merged.

[noob257 36]

11 hours ago, Faith said:

There is no demand for a fourth server.

 

11 hours ago, Faith said:

I think running 10k connections on a server is a horrible idea.

O-okay... But Elysium-PvP has a player cap of ~11k and there are still 4-12 thousand players sitting in the queue.

There IS a demand for a 4th server!

[Pyrognome 3]

I'd prefer a 4th Server with a reduction of each PvP Server to a player cap of 8k! The servers are running great to a player amount of 8k. But above the performance is horrible! The sight is below 10 yards and there's a anoying delay & steady lagg spikes.

So better 4 Servers with each have a cap of 8k players. And the 4th Server should be on the same patch as Elysium PvP. You could offer a contingent of server transfers from Elyisum PvP to the 4th new Server in order to balance the amount of players. AND if there will be not enough players for 3 PvP servers in future you could transfer all players from the 4th Server to the Elysium PvP and close the 4th Server.

 

I think that's it.

Edited January 11, 2017 by Thurlaion

[Faith 5]

8 hours ago, noob257 said:

 

O-okay... But Elysium-PvP has a player cap of ~11k and there are still 4-12 thousand players sitting in the queue.

There IS a demand for a 4th server!

I think you have to wait about 3 - 4 months before you can really see if there is a demand. If you play a lot of MMO's and have been through a lot of launches, and god knows I have, you know that it takes a good 3 months to see the true falloff. I've seen this time and time again. Look at WildStar, or any Blizzard xpack, ArcheAge, Black Desert, they all exhibit a pretty high fall off after 3 months, for whatever reason.

Since this is Vanilla and most people should knows what they are getting themselves into and I wouldn't expect as drastic a falloff. We'll still have some howerver so you still can't justify another server just yet. Wait 3 months maybe 2 (if the numbers after 2) have not changed at all and you'll know if you need a new server.

Game companies that didn't have a lot of experience with MMO's, or they were trying to keep the Game Player base happy (which is a nightmare unto itself as gamers are a fickle bunch... and that is me saying that as nice as I can), have often started a new game seen servers immediately slammed with large queue's then listened to the fickle (Cry baby, immature .. ooops did I say that out loud) gamers and added more servers. Then, down the road say 3-6 month a large amount of the players leave and you have servers that are like ghost towns. Guess what happens when you tell a player base you are merging servers to fix the low populations. The fickle (cry baby .. immature.. oopsey) gamers start saying "ZOMG the game is dying!!". However, it was these same gamers who caused this problem in the beginning whining for more servers to meet the current issue of large queue times. When all they had to do was literally wait a few weeks and watch the queue's calm down. Then wait a few more months to see where the populations are. In most cases they will be fine. No need to merge servers no need to freak out the fickle (cry baby.. immature.. there I go again) gamers.

 

My advice. Chill out and let the servers balance out.

 

    ~ Faith AKA Faithdriven ~ 

[Faith 5]

5 hours ago, Thurlaion said:

I'd prefer a 4th Server with a reduction of each PvP Server to a player cap of 8k! The servers are running great to a player amount of 8k. But above the performance is horrible! The sight is below 10 yards and there's a anoying delay & steady lagg spikes.

So better 4 Servers with each have a cap of 8k players. And the 4th Server should be on the same patch as Elysium PvP. You could offer a contingent of server transfers from Elyisum PvP to the 4th new Server in order to balance the amount of players. AND if there will be not enough players for 3 PvP servers in future you could transfer all players from the 4th Server to the Elysium PvP and close the 4th Server.

 

I think that's it.

The player caps should be reduced as I said I would prefer 6.5 k.

[noob257 36]

8 minutes ago, Faith said:

Wait 3 months maybe 2 (if the numbers after 2) have not changed at all and you'll know if you need a new server.

We will lose thousands of players, if we wait for 2 or 3 months. Not everyone is willing to spend his free time for a game, that he can't play most of the time because of server issues.

 

15 minutes ago, Faith said:

Guess what happens when you tell a player base you are merging servers to fix the low populations. The fickle (cry baby .. immature.. oopsey) gamers start saying "ZOMG the game is dying!!"

Do they? I'm playing WoW on retail and players are complaining for YEARS now, that Blizzard doesn't merge their servers.

I don't see a problem here. It's all about the communication. If the new server comes fast and with the same timeline as Elysium, it can be officially announced as a temporary solution for the queue problem.

[Geex 3]

old nost raised its players all the time even after 1 year. if ppl leave rhen because of the queue.

i will stop playing also if the queue will be here for months.

i also did quit playing on old nost after 8 or 9 month because the economy was fkd up and you werent able to farm cuz 15k online. 

 

my dream would be 5 or 6 realms and a cap of 4k to 5k

Edited January 11, 2017 by Geex

[Faith 5]

9 minutes ago, noob257 said:

We will lose thousands of players, if we wait for 2 or 3 months. Not everyone is willing to spend his free time for a game, that he can't play most of the time because of server issues.

 

Do they? I'm playing WoW on retail and players are complaining for YEARS now, that Blizzard doesn't merge their servers.

I don't see a problem here. It's all about the communication. If the new server comes fast and with the same timeline as Elysium, it can be officially announced as a temporary solution for the queue problem.

This is why i don't like to post on forums, because most of the people posting have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Blizzard merged servers YEARS ago. You ever hear of connected realms?? 

Here is an explanation of what connected realms are:

Connected realms mean that they took two or more separate realms, and merged them together into one larger realm. This allows you to effectively have more than 11 characters on technically one realm. You can actively have them in the same guild, use the same Auction House, and trade non-Account Bound, non-soulbound items and gold to them. I'm on Kilrogg, which was merged with Winterhoof. I can send mail to and from toons on Kilrogg to the toons on Winterhoof, as long as I include "Name-Kilrogg" or "Name*-Winterhoof"

 

Also the exact reason they did it THIS way was to prevent the gamers from doing what I mentioned before and just  .

Gamers are so predictable if they think server merges are happening they will flip out. So blizzard fool'd people just like you into believing they didn't merge servers. Not only do they merge servers.. they've done it for years.

You really should do some research and learn. Sadly most the people on forums are like you misinformed.

Edited January 11, 2017 by Faith

[Faith 5]

14 minutes ago, Geex said:

old nost raised its players all the time even after 1 year. if ppl leave rhen because of the queue.

i will stop playing also if the queue will be here for months.

i also did quit playing on old nost after 8 or 9 month because the economy was fkd up and you werent able to farm cuz 15k online. 

 

my dream would be 5 or 6 realms and a cap of 4k to 5k

I agree.. but you know what. I play on the PvE server and have no complaints. No Queue's.. nice population. No immature little teenies wagging their ePeeny.. lol.  The Nos PvP server's are nothing like original Vanilla PvP servers, mostly because the population was much lower. There was tons of good open world PvP but it was spread out enough to allow players to actually do pvp when they want and get things done if they didn't necessarily want to pvp.

Edited January 11, 2017 by Faith

[noob257 36]

6 minutes ago, Faith said:

Gamers are so predictable if they think server merges are happening they will flip out. So blizzard fool'd people just like you into believing they didn't merge servers. Not only do they merge servers.. they've done it for years.

You really should do some research and learn. Sadly most the people on forums are like you misinformed.

As I already mentioned, I play on retail. The guys at Blizzard thought the same way you do and instead of just merge the realms, they created this crossrealm shit we have right now. I don't know how the realm connection works exactly, but AFAIK it's technically not a merge.

I saw the discussions about this in the official WoW forums back then and besides a really small minority (1. : The players who give a shit about their server name; 2: The players who like to play on a dead server), most of the players wanted some kind of merge.

What Blizzard did wasn't enough btw.

http://www.wowprogress.com/realms/rank/eu/lang.de

These are the german realms. Look at the lower end. Almost no mythic raiding, because guilds can't find enough members to raid with 20 people every week.

[Lapinlehmät 1]

Now: started que at 6.7k 14.50 server time and now about 16.20 server time I'm at 2.5k -> roughly 2800 positions per hour when couple days ago it was roughly 1200 per hour.

So .. now that ddos has calmed down a bit and anti-afk measures have been made I agree with what many has said here that let's just wait and see how population develops during the next months. I guess that there will be no need for 4th one.

[Stab 0]

On 1/9/2017 at 6:52 AM, wowuser said:

It would be kind of cruel to wait 1-2 months deciding on opening a new server, because nobody can play at the moment normally.

If you could play yesterday, there is no guarantee that today you will be able to, unless you have all day to wait literally 3-4 hours in the queue.

Most people have a couple of hours to play each day after work/school. At the moment they have almost no chance to play regularly, because the wait time alone takes this much.

And the problem is not even the queue itself, it's the low speed you can progress in the queue, because people already playing on the server have no reason to just log off, so the rotation is slow. Which is of course normal.

I agree that the hype will go down somewhat but I don't think that alone will make the 10-20k queue disappear.

 

And about the Old Nost PVP dying out...even a pop of 4-5 K is totally healthy and playable and the Nost PVP is very far from dropping to that level.

Opening a 2nd fresh realm won't make more people abandon the Old Nost PVP, why would it? Most people already know if they wan't to start over or not.

this.... you cannot wait to open a new server. if they have the funds to open a new pvp server it has to happen now.. sitting in 5 hour ques just to get in the game, if you dont get disconnected, is not how you run your game. if down the road in a year the populations decrease to the point to where there is under 3k on each server, then just merge them because they will be on the same content. you are running off players because they cannot sit and wait 5 hours to get in the game to actually play..

[Faith 5]

Just now, stabbwound said:

this.... you cannot wait to open a new server. if they have the funds to open a new pvp server it has to happen now.. sitting in 5 hour ques just to get in the game, if you dont get disconnected, is not how you run your game. if down the road in a year the populations decrease to the point to where there is under 3k on each server, then just merge them because they will be on the same content. you are running off players because they cannot sit and wait 5 hours to get in the game to actually play..

I've not sat in the queue's but I would agree that if they queue for the new server stays at 8k + for 2 weeks without it just being.. a queue during peak hours then yes open a new server. It's too early to tell so just wait a week or 2. Then can all start crying again.

[Stab 0]

6 minutes ago, Faith said:

 Then can all start crying again.

Crying? really? people who work and or have other duties in life who would like to play, but cannot because of the insane que times. They agree with the DEV who posted that they are looking into another server opening, because of this issue.. you call that crying? lol...