Horde Mage Beerwizzard ninjas Stockade Pauldrons

[Bluntski 13]

1 hour ago, Oakenlix said:

So in you mind a decent person has to give up/give away large sums of gold?

Yes. A decent person would give up monetary gain for the benefit of someones gear, especially on a item like stockade pauldrons.

[Beerwizzard 13]

15 минут назад, Bluntski сказал:

Yes. A decent person would give up monetary gain for the benefit of someones gear, especially on a item like stockade pauldrons.

In this case passing an item means getting a loss / ggifting gold (not item) to the other person

 

Edited January 27, 2017 by Beerwizzard

[Oakenlix 79]

14 minutes ago, Bluntski said:

Yes. A decent person would give up monetary gain for the benefit of someones gear, especially on a item like stockade pauldrons.

BoE gear = monetary gain. So whats the difference?

[Oakenlix 79]

Just now, Jorn Skyseer said:

Monetary gains are greed rolls.

Getting a BoE gear upgrade is a monetary gain too, so what the fuck are you talking about?

[Bluntski 13]

How is equipping a BOE  monetary gain?

[Oakenlix 79]

Just now, Bluntski said:

How is equipping a BOE  monetary gain?

Because what it does is simply save you the money you would otherwise spend buying this item from AH.

Just now, Jorn Skyseer said:

I see, successfully twisting words in your favor. Go read game manual.

Holy shit man, you are retarded, I give up.

[Beerwizzard 13]

2 минуты назад, Bluntski сказал:

How is equipping a BOE  monetary gain?

not incurred costs ( money saved on the same item on ah) = lost profits for the ones tho passed item

Edited January 27, 2017 by Beerwizzard

[Oakenlix 79]

Yeah, I mean its really simple: BoE are tradable items, so winning such item is the same as winning X amount of gold. Claiming you need X amount of gold more than other players just because you're gonna use it in a specific way - that's just silly. And Im baffled by how some people are too stubborn to understand it.

[Beerwizzard 13]

В 27.01.2017 в 23:07, Oakenlix сказал:

Yeah, I mean its really simple: BoE are tradable items, so winning such item is the same as winning X amount of gold. Claiming you need X amount of gold more than other players just because you're gonna use it in a specific way - that's just silly. And Im baffled by how some people are too stubborn to understand it.

Exactly.
 

The worst thing is that after loosing an item ppl start cry and insult the winner.

Edited February 5, 2017 by Beerwizzard

[Oakenlix 79]

1 minute ago, Jorn Skyseer said:

BoPs are tradeable too, to the vendors they go. I know your logic, this is very nice and reasonable logic, and I use it too at times, but this isn't about being smartest, this is about group loot party.

The value of BoP item for someone wearing it is much more than the vendor price, this is not the case with BoE and AH prices 

Why do you insist so much on showing what a moron you are?

Edited January 27, 2017 by Oakenlix

[Bluntski 13]

Equipping an item is zero monetary gain for that person lol

[Oakenlix 79]

Just now, Bluntski said:

Equipping an item is zero monetary gain for that person lol

*Sigh*

I hope you are just trolling at this point.

[Beerwizzard 13]

Только что, Jorn Skyseer сказал:

BoPs are tradeable too, to the vendors they go. I know your logic, this is very nice and reasonable logic, and I use it too at times, but this isn't about being smartest, this is about group loot party.

 The item becomes valuable if it is tradable between the players, it makes a real value. Thats so obvious that i agree with Oakenlix.

[Bluntski 13]

Let's say I equipped these shoulders. The only monetary gain I get is when/if I vendor them.

[Beerwizzard 13]

Только что, Bluntski сказал:

Let's say I equipped these shoulders. The only monetary gain I get is when/if I vendor them.

If you equipped those shoulders it means that you dont have to spend the X amount of gold of buying it. Also it means that the other members are getting the same amount of lost profit (loosing their gold).

is it so hard to get it?

[Bluntski 13]

I am talking about monetary gain. Not having to spend money is not a monetary gain. Needing an item to sell it is monetary gain. You are putting your monetary gain over someones need to use the item, period.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Bluntski

[Oakenlix 79]

Just now, Bluntski said:

I am talking about monetary gain. Not having to spend money is not a monetary gain.

It is, you dumb fuck.

[Beerwizzard 13]

Только что, Bluntski сказал:

I am talking about monetary gain. Not having to spend money is not a monetary gain. Needing an item to sell it is monetary gain. You are putting your monetary gain over someones need to use the item, period.

 

Только что, Oakenlix сказал:

It is, you dumb fuck.

Amen.

[Bluntski 13]

1 minute ago, Oakenlix said:

It is, you dumb fuck.

How? If am not gaining gold or spending gold, and gold is monetary, there is no gain or loss. You aren't losing money or gaining money either.

Money you have in your savings account (IE gold in your bags) is not monetary gain. The interest you get from the bank from using said account is monetary gain. Selling something then adding it to your savings is monetary gain.

[Mindcontrol 2]

NEED = A genuine NEED for an item, i.e. to wear (That's why people run dungeons... to get loot)

GREED = A want of GOLD (or personal gain) from an item.

If nobody NEEDS an item, then it's fair that the winning GREED roll gets the item.

HOWEVER, if you NEED an item for GREED without prior agreement with your group, then you're unethically taking an item that could have been otherwise fairly distributed.

You (in the eyes of the game) Ninja Looted. And that's that. You can't justify what you did without chatting absolute bullshit. That's just how the system works whether you think so or not.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Mindcontrol

[Beerwizzard 13]

People usualy run dungeons to get BoP items obviously because you cant get them anywhere exapt current mobs (usuclly bosses). None usualy comes to the dungeon with a purpose of getting an item with 0.02% droprate.

We need this boe the same way as the guy that can equip it cause we will definetely change it into another item that match our class. Thats why passing an item we are loosing our items and giving them to someone else.

I'm just trying to explane that all ppl in a group can rly need an item in case if its rare and boe.

I needed this item as mutch as this guy because i need to trade it into the other item and he needs it to save movey from buying it (so  if the grp passed it to warrior we would tecnicly buy him this item). In both cases according to ur logic our aims could be classified as GREED so for making a fair roll ppl usually press need.

[Beerwizzard 13]

1 час назад, Oakenlix сказал:

 

 

Edited January 27, 2017 by Beerwizzard

[Garun 9]

OP always make sure that the rules are clear about BoE items in that if you need you have to equip them. Beerwizard is not an ninja looter for rolling need and selling those shoulders if you didn't make it clear that BoEs will be need before greed (which is obvious you didn't because you didn't show a screenshot of you telling them that rule and everyone but one guy rolled need). Getting those actually means you get their gold value by not having to pay for that much to get them, and it gives gold to everyone.

However, I do not at all support what Beer did even though it wasn't technically ninja looting. If I was an officer or the GM and someone rolled need in a guild group over a core tank that needed those shoulders and sold them, I would gkick them on the spot.

[Mokes 1]

8 hours ago, Beerwizzard said:

Also here comes a question: Why the whole group should pass you this value if you could get it by yourself? There always usualy 2-4 of this items on the ah.Dont see any reasons why you shouldnt farm gold the same way as we all do.

Please explain to me how a tank can farm gold at the same rate as a mage, or even close to the same rate. I have played a mage on old nost. You can make 200g in a day easily by aoe farming. I can not aoe farm. I would love to know more ways to make money as a tank.

[Oxblood 5]

This whole thread just makes Beerwizzard and Oakenlix look exceedingly slimy and greedy.

A saved opportunity cost is not the same a monetary gain.

While this is not against the ToS it is still an attitude that I would never group with, and will actively promote the knowledge of, both of you will have a bad reputation in my books and I will do my best to spread it.