Horde Mage Beerwizzard ninjas Stockade Pauldrons

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

Beerwizard, regardless of how you think this isnt an item but a liquid form of gold, I cannot reason with you. You are truly a gem of a player. The item is not gold. By this same reasoning and logic you can justify taking ANYTHING u want in game. That is being a greedy little kid. Oh wait... Greedy ... greed.... no it couldnt have a connection, could it?

[Oakenlix 79]

2 minutes ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

The item is not gold. By this same reasoning and logic you can justify taking ANYTHING u want in game.

The item is not gold, but - SURPRISE - the value of an item can be expressed in gold. Also, you're talking about reasoning and logic as if you knew anything about it, lol.

2 minutes ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

That is being a greedy little kid. Oh wait... Greedy ... greed.... no it couldnt have a connection, could it?

I don't think you realize how hilarious it is that you actually try to use it as an argument.

[Beerwizzard 13]

Только что, The Fapmonsoon сказал:

 The item is not gold.

Dude, i'm realy sorry but if you still didnt get the point after 5 pages of explanation - you are dumb.

[Flexi 12]

2 minutes ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

Beerwizard, regardless of how you think this isnt an item but a liquid form of gold, I cannot reason with you. You are truly a gem of a player. The item is not gold. By this same reasoning and logic you can justify taking ANYTHING u want in game. That is being a greedy little kid. Oh wait... Greedy ... greed.... no it couldnt have a connection, could it?

Stating something as the truth does not make it the truth. You may feel you are right, but I dont know how to explain it to you if you cannot understand that there can be multiple points of view to a single issue. Not everything has a clear cut objective truth to it, but if you think there is, it is up to you to present a proper argument as to why, not just repeat that you are right because you say so over and over.

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

1 minute ago, Oakenlix said:

The item is not gold, but - SURPRISE - the value of an item can be expressed in gold. Also, you're talking about reasoning and logic as if you knew anything about it, lol.

The item can be gold (greed) but it was worth more to the person who could use it (need). If not one can use it (need) then it goes to the greed roll (which is why need beats greed rolls). Again Oakenlix, you are retarded. Actually at this point i am willing to bet you and Beer are both really autists. 

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

All 3 of you should just get together and jerk each other since you are the ONLY 3 in 6 pages of this topic who feel this is acceptable. 

[Oakenlix 79]

Just now, The Fapmonsoon said:

The item can be gold (greed) but it was worth more to the person who could use it (need).

And why is that? I'm almost curious what bullshit you can come up with to justify this statement.

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

Also about "Multiple points of view" - They are wrong. Which is why ur buddy is no longer in a guild and has been kicked from 2 guilds since this post started. Yep, you are right... I must be wrong. 

[Flexi 12]

1 minute ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

The item can be gold (greed) but it was worth more to the person who could use it (need). If not one can use it (need) then it goes to the greed roll (which is why need beats greed rolls). Again Oakenlix, you are retarded. Actually at this point i am willing to bet you and Beer are both really autists. 

But is it not just as greedy to claim that one are entitled to a certain item just because one play a class that happen to be able to wear it? The item is available on the auction house, and could be bought there.

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

I'm done with these three trolls. They understand but claim to not understand to help cover their shit views on how to treat the community. Hope you all enjoy your short stay here, because i can assure you... its gonna be lonely for all 3 of you if you ninja like this. 

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

Just now, Flexi said:

But is it not just as greedy to claim that one are entitled to a certain item just because one play a class that happen to be able to wear it? The item is available on the auction house, and could be bought there.

No, that is being NEEDY because they can use it. How is this too hard for you to understand? Did you bring your helmet and crayons to the forums guys?

[YoungFreddy 4]

On 1/27/2017 at 6:56 PM, Oakenlix said:

No, its not. Please reread the thread.

Then we should roll need on every gear then,i need it to sell to vendor,same shit as selling to ah.

[Oakenlix 79]

1 minute ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

I'm done with these three trolls. They understand but claim to not understand to help cover their shit views on how to treat the community. Hope you all enjoy your short stay here, because i can assure you... its gonna be lonely for all 3 of you if you ninja like this. 

Good job running away from a simple question which you have no answer for.

4 minutes ago, Oakenlix said:

And why is that? I'm almost curious what bullshit you can come up with to justify this statement.

 

Also:

1 minute ago, YoungFreddy said:

Then we should roll need on every gear then,i need it to sell to vendor,same shit as selling to ah.

No, you shouldn't, because vendor prices don't reflect the actual value of an item. AH prices, however, do exactly that.

I'm sorry that you're so dumb.

[Flexi 12]

9 minutes ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

Also about "Multiple points of view" - They are wrong. Which is why ur buddy is no longer in a guild and has been kicked from 2 guilds since this post started. Yep, you are right... I must be wrong. 

Well you certainly have a right to your opinion, but sitting here screaming at each other that the other person is wrong will not get us anywhere. Also, having people agree with your opinion does make it more true.

Edited January 29, 2017 by Flexi

[duckyboy 5]

I understand where both sides are coming from. I'm unsure of how I would behave in this situation (and I'm in no way scolding Beerwizard for his actions, he did what he felt was right FOR HIM under the circumstances, albeit a bit greedy).

On one hand, you're running a dungeon with 4 other strangers. You're all hoping for what you need to drop from the bosses...then something unexpected happens and a BoE epic drops. It's rare as fuck. It's most definitely an upgrade for the tank but then again it can be sold on the AH for a hefty amount of gold to fuel either your epic mount or a BoE epic that you want as well. Technically, it will be an upgrade for you in some aspect.

Now, the nice thing to do would be just to give it to him for a few reasons;

• it would make him happy and the run could continue and everyone could be happy together.
• if you roll need to ensure that someone else didn't pull trickery in the group and then give it to him, securing his trust for future runs with him.
• or what happened in this situation, take the item for yourself because you'll be "upgrading yourself" in some way but now you put yourself at risk of being excluded from certain groups with certain people in the future, being barred from interaction with a small section of the populace of Elysium.

Personally, it wouldn't be that big of a deal if I lost a BoE epic that was for me (sure, annoying) but I wouldn't let it ruin my night lol. I'm just happy to be able to be playing vanilla wow from 2004 in 2017 with minimal bugs. Gotta see the bigger picture.

Edited January 29, 2017 by duckyboy

[Oakenlix 79]

7 minutes ago, duckyboy said:

Now, the nice thing to do would be just to give it to him for a few reasons;

• it would make him happy and the run could continue and everyone could be happy together.

True, but that's just like giving someone X amount of gold, which of course is a nice thing to do and it makes the recieving party quite happy.

And people being mad at someone for not doing "the nice thing" to a stranger is just really wrong.

Edited January 29, 2017 by Oakenlix

[Flexi 12]

10 minutes ago, duckyboy said:

I understand where both sides are coming from. I'm unsure of how I would behave in this situation (and I'm in no way scolding Beerwizard for his actions, he did what he felt was right FOR HIM under the circumstances, albeit a bit greedy).

On one hand, you're running a dungeon with 4 other strangers. You're all hoping for what you need to drop from the bosses...then something unexpected happens and a BoE epic drops. It's rare as fuck. It's most definitely an upgrade for the tank but then again it can be sold on the AH for a hefty amount of gold to fuel either your epic mount or a BoE epic that you as well. Technically, it will be an upgrade for you in some aspect.

Now, the nice thing to do would be just to give it to him for a few reasons;

• it would make him happy and the run could continue and everyone could be happy together.
• if you roll need to ensure that someone else didn't pull trickery in the group and then give it to him, securing his trust for future runs with him.
• or what happened in this situation, put yourself at risk of being excluded from certain groups with certain people in the future, being barred from interaction with a small section of the populace of Elysium.

Personally, it wouldn't be that big of a deal if I lost a BoE epic that was for me (sure, annoying) but I wouldn't let it ruin my night lol. I'm just happy to be able to be playing vanilla wow from 2004 in 2017 with minimal bugs. Gotta see the bigger picture.

Just wanted to say thank you for a balanced and well written post.

[duckyboy 5]

12 minutes ago, Oakenlix said:

True, but that's just like giving someone X amount of gold, which of course is a nice thing to do and it makes the recieving party quite happy.

True. I guess you could see it as just handing the warrior 350g or so to buy some stockade pauldrons off the AH himself.

 

39 minutes ago, Oakenlix said:

The item is not gold, but - SURPRISE - the value of an item can be expressed in gold.

I think this is the best idea of what is being tossed around here though. It's easier to look at this situation and think "hey, a BoE dropped", when instead you could think "Hey, 350g just dropped. The tank could immediately benefit from it (in the form of equipping the actual item) but also I could realllly use that 350g because it would pay for that sweet ass mage item on the AH"

At that point, if I was in beerwizards position, I'd be torn. 350g would be nice, but would it be worth it to incur the wrath of not only my party members, but who they're connected to (guilds, friends) and how they spread the word of what I did?

Also, just to clarify, but this wasn't a ninja loot. Ninjalooting, to me, is someone enabling master loot and grabbing a BoP they need from the boss, instead of playing fair and rolling for it like everyone else. This was just a "should I be a nice guy or a greedy guy" moment.

Edited January 29, 2017 by duckyboy

[Flexi 12]

2 minutes ago, duckyboy said:

True. I guess you could see it as just handing the warrior 350g or so to buy some stockade pauldrons off the AH himself.

 

I think this is the best idea of what is being tossed around here though. It's easier to look at this situation and instead of thinking "hey, a BoE dropped", it should be "Hey, 350g just dropped. The tank could immediately benefit from it (in the form of equipping it) but also I could really use that 350g because it would pay for that sweet ass mage item on the AH"

This is how I see it. It becomes even more obvious with items like Edgemaster's Handguards that typically sell for 1000g+, or Alcors Sunrazor (1000g+) or especially the Teebus Blazing Longsword which can sell for 2-3000+ gold. Honestly, you would have to be out of your mind to pass on that to a random stranger, no matter how much he needs it.

[debrye 0]

Rofl this thread is still going. Regardless if you think taking those shoulders is right, hope you have fun not being able to raid ever, or be in any decent guild for a while. Idk 350g for not being able to raid ever sounds like a shitty deal to me doesnt it?

Anyway, keep responding to me, that way we can keep you branded as ninja on this server, because you know most if not all of the population will brand you as one.

[Flexi 12]

28 minutes ago, debrye said:

Rofl this thread is still going. Regardless if you think taking those shoulders is right, hope you have fun not being able to raid ever, or be in any decent guild for a while. Idk 350g for not being able to raid ever sounds like a shitty deal to me doesnt it?

Anyway, keep responding to me, that way we can keep you branded as ninja on this server, because you know most if not all of the population will brand you as one.

I am willing to bet no decent guild actually gives a shit.

[debrye 0]

Just now, Flexi said:

I am willing to bet no decent guild actually gives a shit.

The fact that 2 guilds already kicked him and he is still guildless says that much. 

[Beerwizzard 13]

20 минут назад, debrye сказал:

The fact that 2 guilds already kicked him and he is still guildless says that much. 

Well, i was kicked from the social guild and i'm still in touch with ppl i need. I left the 2nd guild simply because i didnt like it and its not ur achievement:) Anyway im very pleased that you and ur friends are following my ingame activities, you are the first members of my fanclub. Unfortunately you did not ruined my life (like crying Mokes promised me) and im not realy sure that you will. But anyway please keep trying because sometimes its realy funny, i already got a lot of whispers saying that you guys are retarded  :)

Please keep me in touch about your further research, maybe you will uncover any new interesting facts about how you ruined my life  xD

[debrye 0]

3 minutes ago, Beerwizzard said:

Well, i was kicked from the social guild and i'm still in touch with ppl i need. I left the 2nd guild simply because i didnt like it and its not ur achievement:) Anyway im very pleased that you and ur friends are following my ingame activities, you are the first members of my fanclub. Unfortunately you did not ruined my life (like crying Mokes promised me) and im not realy sure that you will. But anyway please keep trying because sometimes its realy funny, i already got a lot of whispers saying that you guys are retarded  :)

Please keep me in touch about your further research, maybe you will uncover any new interesting facts about how you ruined my life  xD

Nothing wrong with being a casual.

[Oakenlix 79]

46 minutes ago, debrye said:

The fact that 2 guilds already kicked him and he is still guildless says that much. 

I'd rather be guildless than be in a guild that kicks its member out over something stupid like that.