AV Backdoor

[Duron 0]

I just got some SS of this! 

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So Horde are skiping all choke points except 1. At Icewing bunker. When Allys rush  only 3-4 mages or shamans need  to stomp the whole raid.. And allys get killed by x3 Elites + MineLayer + Lots lots of non elites + Archers from 2 towers :D I`m sorry but ... W T F ... 

Edited February 5, 2017 by Duron
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[Lorilay 12]

It's pretty easy to defend it with a few hunters/mages. There's tons of mines there that are very easy to exploit to your advantage as a defender.

[Jimmy 2]

If you honestly think AV favors Horde you haven't on both sides.

[Bonappetit 2]

There's an active post on the reddit about this and an answer to: "Can the horde do this or is this prohibited by the TOS?"

was "Yes, as of right now you can do it." by Cogfather_Elysium GM

And to answer your "walljumping", which actually isn't, here's an actual proper post from reddit as well

"This isn't a "walljump" where you jump up or are able to run across steep inclines. You just jump from one spot of solid ground to another. This geography being in the game even in Legion strongly indicates it's intended."

Edited February 6, 2017 by Bonappetit

[Jimmy 2]

12 minutes ago, Bonappetit said:

There's an active post on the reddit about this and an answer to: "Can the horde do this or is this prohibited by the TOS?"

was "Yes, as of right now you can do it." by Cogfather_Elysium GM

And to answer your "walljumping", which actually isn't, here's an actual proper post from reddit as well

"This isn't a "walljump" where you jump up or are able to run across steep inclines. You just jump from one spot of solid ground to another. This geography being in the game even in Legion strongly indicates it's intended."

It's weird, they're half saying it's ok, and half saying it's an exploit and exploits are bannable. I wish we could just get a simple answer instead of them saying "well, was it legal in retail Vanilla?"

Should Horde just stop queueing for AV for now?

[Bonappetit 2]

27 minutes ago, Falorthan said:

It's weird, they're half saying it's ok, and half saying it's an exploit and exploits are bannable. I wish we could just get a simple answer instead of them saying "well, was it legal in retail Vanilla?"

Should Horde just stop queueing for AV for now?

There's only one answer to that, it's 100% legit as it doesn't include exploiting. It's literally jumping from one solid ground to another. 

Actual wall jumping would be this and it would be bannable if it was used against others. As I've enjoyed exploring myself back then I can assure you the wall jumping was extremely hard, especially connecting more then few jumps before failing.

 

Edited February 6, 2017 by Bonappetit

[Jimmy 2]

I completely agree, it's just odd we can't get a "yes, this is legal" or "no, this is illegal" and they're trying to get us to read between the lines instead, but at the same time saying any exploit is bannable.

I remember wallwalking in Felwood to get into Hyjal back in like 2005, I know what a pain it was haha

[Lorilay 12]

This has been a move for horde since retail WoW. As of now, the GM Team is monitoring the situation but our goal is to ensure that AV remains as balanced as it can be for both sides.

[ranranboban 0]

Horde has the biggest disadvantage in Vanilla AV.  There would be zero point in horde queing AV if we couldn't use backdoor.

[Charbs 1]

AV is a garbage BG but its the most popular. Sadly the way the map is designed, without the backdoor, horde will never win the "rush" game which is all AV has become.

If AV was played like it used to be then maybe the odds would be slightly more balanced but the way its played now requires the backdoor to even compete. I should point out that this has been my experience and may not be the same for everyone, but I generally played AV as a solo que player.

[Duron 0]

Okay , AV weekend again :) Its AWESOME to see how Horde are passing and going arround from all our defense to just CLIMB JUMP to back door in our base. Meanwhile Alliance push is stomped by 2-3 mages at the choke point, where 4x Elites + Minelayer are standing i`m not even counting the swarm of non elite npcs + 4 archares at the tower which does 450+ dmg on cloth users :). 

At the end.... Hordes are passing only 1 Alliance Bunker where 4 Archers only are shooting them + few non elites guards and that`s all . They go stright to back door at Ally base where they cant be reached from Base bunkers.

Alliance as i said are getting stomped by 2-3 mages .These mages just need to frost nova the whole raid.. and that`s all .. Minelayer + Towers + Elite NPC + Nonelites NPC are killing us for seconds.

 

I dont see any fairplay or balance or what ever this shit is called. The only way alliance to win is when the horde raid doesnt have the skill to wall jump.... 

 RIP AV

P.S. - Bann the VPN !!! 

 

 

[Slicy 11]

Every single week there is one guy coming up with the same lame QQ thread about AV backdoor. These forums really need a search function (assuming they would even be used and prevent such threads though).

FYI : You don't even need "CLIMB JUMP" (your words, not mine). You can just get a Slow Falling buff available to every class, every race, every lvl from 51 to 60, mount up and jump there. It's actually way easier/faster to Slow Fall it than trying to jump it like a retard for few minutes (that's how long it takes most of horde players to perform that jump, which means AV racing is fair game for both factions atm).

[TheDruidCode 28]

1 hour ago, Slicy said:

These forums really need a search function (assuming they would even be used and prevent such threads though).

https://forum.elysium-project.org/search

But people never ever use search functions on forums. If people really were interested in searching they could also use this nifty thing called google to search the forum.

But that's not what this thread is about! 

[Duron 0]

1 hour ago, Slicy said:

Every single week there is one guy coming up with the same lame QQ thread about AV backdoor. These forums really need a search function (assuming they would even be used and prevent such threads though).

FYI : You don't even need "CLIMB JUMP" (your words, not mine). You can just get a Slow Falling buff available to every class, every race, every lvl from 51 to 60, mount up and jump there. It's actually way easier/faster to Slow Fall it than trying to jump it like a retard for few minutes (that's how long it takes most of horde players to perform that jump, which means AV racing is fair game for both factions atm).

WHAT ? Man get real rofl. Slow Fall ? hahahahahhaha  keep talking for Win trade/dodge premades.. seems u are missing AV , No offence...but it seems u are defending horde or u have a no clue.  In otherhand .. forget wall jump ... What about Horde choke point ? Hm? Where 2 mages are needed to stomp the entire raid ?

[Duron 0]

8 minutes ago, TheDruidCode said:

https://forum.elysium-project.org/search

But people never ever use search functions on forums. If people really were interested in searching they could also use this nifty thing called google to search the forum.

But that's not what this thread is about! 

Insted of tell ppl <Oh one more thread like this ! >  or <Oh one more QQ> Take this serious coz Horde arent struggling when they are rushng!!! Think for a second ... Alliance are rushing normal way .. Since HORDE is dodgin choke points. 

[Slicy 11]

I've gotten my share of AV, no problemo little gnome. Will surely love getting in one of yours and play the BG as it is meant to be played though :)

Anyways if you don't want to realize horde can get there without any kind of wall jumping involved or whatever you call it, I think the discussion will be pointless regardless of what players just trying to open your eyes will tell you.

You sound very tactician and knowledgeable about the battleground since you whine about horde choke points (Q.Q). I'm sure you will soon realize alliance has strong choke points horde cannot dodge too.

I wish you good luck and hope you will enjoy your AVs.

PS: Nice binds x)

Edited February 25, 2017 by Slicy

[Duron 0]

Ah one more thing guys ... Lets check who will cap first  Base GY .. Coz i think it will be the horde. Coz of skiping choke points !!!

[Slicy 11]

Just choke them too and the better team will win ? Or does that sound too balanced maybe ?

[Duron 0]

Slicy do u make any difference where the choke points are ? Horde and Alliance ? I told that Hordes need 2-3 players to Kill , Exterminate the whole alliance raid .. Coz Horde chokpe point has 3+ elites which hits for 1k++ , Archers on towers + Non elite NPCs.

[Shevy 0]

Same goes for Alliance choke points! 2-3 Elites, Mine layer patroling on Hill, plus we need to backdoor which can be disturbed by 1-2 ppl! while u rush enter base without any problems! Bridge for us has 2 towers and 3 NPCs! Ofc we gonna backdoor

[Duron 0]

I`m sorry but i cant agree with you , There should be 10+++ ppl to defend backdoor.

[Storfan 24]

ITT: Alliance crying because they dont have a 80% win rate anymore.

 

LOL

[Drakbak 3]

No backdoor = 100% lose rate for the horde.  You complain about choke points?  without backdoor that bridge is the biggest chokepoint in the game.  Smart alliance players can use even the backdoor as a chokepoint.

And honestly, given that my winrate last night was around 20-25%, the backdoor isn't even that good of an option.  At least you're not contending against alliance "premades" that kill Drek within 7min...

[Dexev 3]

4 hours ago, Drakbak said:

 At least you're not contending against alliance "premades" that kill Drek within 7min...

You realise horde have premades as well, right?

Besides - AV weekend is the one time seeing a premade on the other side is actually good. 

[Drakbak 3]

1 hour ago, Dexev said:

You realise horde have premades as well, right?

Besides - AV weekend is the one time seeing a premade on the other side is actually good. 

i'm well aware, and I really don't care other than the fact that it doesn't really feel like a game at that point.  Certainly better than when alliance turtle and the game drags on for over an hour.