Win trading

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8 minutes ago, Rspct said:

are you implying something is shady here? interestinggs :thinking:

Nice meme, but just to clarify for the autists: no that is not what i meant.

[Nnray 0]

Account: znslmfs
Character:Nnray
I have never been involved in any pvp illegal transactions.I do not know why i got baned.

[lol123 0]

i heard some guys just do raid  zg with them,he still got banned bc of wintraiding,wtf.

[1670425750 0]

Dear GM

    i dont know what happened. I do believe that someone want us to be banned. Its Framed

    We never do anything win-trade. We forced with that horde premade 4-5times in that evening. every game last at least 30 mins, and in that picture, we were defeated in BS by 15:1 . So tired ,just surrender.

    few weeks ago ,  One alliance premade make empty games, they dont in. just let the horde win, they even do not fight with them. Just suspension for 1 week.

    If we premade looks like “stealing"    Then theirs is "Robbery”   why do they got suspension for 1 week , we got permanent ban. its not fair!

    And at last, If this redicular shitting things called "win-trade" why someone got banned and someone not?   its not fair!

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The screenshot shows one game but it does not show the games leading up to that game, this game is clearly showing that the alliance is not fighting back(and should be reported because it is definitely suspicious) while some of the posts are not super well formulated due to language barriers its pretty obvious that the alliance premade has given up fighting rather than organizing win trades -If there is logs of battlegrounds any claim is easily proven.

Its pretty common knowledge among the horde rankers that we can not afford to intentionally loose games to other premades as we get much longer queue's and therefore have to make every game count, why would alliance premades intentionally loose games to horde premades that will never intentionally loose to them?

You will see this behavior of giving up in both premades and non premades, for pugs its most likely because of people getting demotivated by getting behind and they just sit around afk until the game is over but in premades its all about honor gain, if you get more honor letting the other team end the game fast and getting in to a new game you can actually 4 or 5 cap you pretty much have no choice, both horde and alliance does this with games that are obviously lost.

 

If you are not able to see the logs to prove who is telling the truth its just down to word against word and if that is the case who are you going to believe a bunch of alliance rankers that just recently got off a suspension for abusing the battleground system or the players in that game and the people that have played with them for the past weeks/months?

[Beepy 1]

Agree with above poster.

Alliance incident was way worse then this and  confirmed unlike now where people (or some of them) probably got wrongly banned. Least get in touch with the premade leaders (or people that speak English) and investigate deeper before proceeding to temporary bans (just like on alliance incident).

Perma bans should be reserved for extremely heavy cases of people violating the ToS multiple times. Not even retail Blizz banned permanently straight away and the environment there was way more competitive. There is no need to hurt players so heavily.

[TheDruidCode 28]

Have you considered that they actually did investigate this? And not just read the reports and looked at some screenshots? They probably got the reports and said, "Oh, we got to check this out. We go hang in some bgs with these guys and see what's going on." I found it hard to believe that they mass ban based on hearsay.

[Beepy 1]

6 minutes ago, TheDruidCode said:

Have you considered that they actually did investigate this? And not just read the reports and looked at some screenshots? They probably got the reports and said, "Oh, we got to check this out. We go hang in some bgs with these guys and see what's going on." I found it hard to believe that they mass ban based on hearsay.

If they did and its beyond any doubt that they wintraded by all means ban them.

I would go for temporary ban though least for first time offenders. Perma seems a bit to heavy for me if someone never troubled the GMs before. Both factions should receive same bans in any case just a few days ago we had an incident with allies that received temp bans same rules should apply since the cases are similar,

Edited February 21, 2017 by Beepy

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18 minutes ago, TheDruidCode said:

Have you considered that they actually did investigate this? And not just read the reports and looked at some screenshots? They probably got the reports and said, "Oh, we got to check this out. We go hang in some bgs with these guys and see what's going on." I found it hard to believe that they mass ban based on hearsay.

Yes i have considered that they have investigated, If they looked at the games leading up to the screenshotted one they would see that they gave it their best effort and still lost.

Ill say this again: one team choosing to fight does not equal organized win trading.

[Jpeg 0]

https://archive.fo/juvQJ

 

That's the kind of pvp players china is.

 

Enjoy the deserved ban, feed us tears !

[Northdog 0]

Are you mad??Jpeg??

Half Names of the list were NEVER join any premade

Baigui

Alexiscold 

Cxhahaha 

Marykay

Shakeyao 

and so on.

 

That guy just report all of Chinese who get high rank dude

Dont be fool

 

 

[thepastpal1 0]

Dear Pottu:

I'm Hasenong who played with ally premade many times. I guaranty i played 100%?legit. We never done so called "wintrade", which is dodging horde premade and make an empty bg let ally pug join to fill the spots. In some SS shows that many ally ranker stay near ally base cz horde just dominated BS even ab. the ally premade just simply act as ally pugs in some ways. Like some ppl posted above said it's human that wants bad things over asap. If ally premade really wants to wintrade, make empty bgs for horde pramades will be much easier and better. Whats-more, there is just no evidence and no point that ally premade gain benefit(such as real cash trade or sth) by intentionally losing to horde. I strongly suggest re-investigate and unban rankers who played legit.

[Dekoos 0]

I don't know most of the people involved in this, but what I don't understand is why a guy like Kanrabat got banned. He is a Canadian guy that was just having some fun with friends : he is a PvE guy, had no antecedant at all, and was not even grinding ranks (already rank 10 for several weeks, honor was totally useless for him). He had literally no reason to wintrade... 

As I said, I don't know for the other people, and I respect and encourage your will to punish people cheating, but I really think you banned the wrong person here... 

[dadangao 0]

I'm dadangao， Played with the premade many times.We never done so called "wintrade"。There's absolutely no money or any other interests. I strongly suggest re-investigate and unban rankers who played legit.

[Jpeg 0]

7 minutes ago, dadangao said:

There's absolutely no money 

Who talked about money except you ?

Why are you even talking about money ?!

#ShadyChina

[Jpeg 0]

14 minutes ago, Dekoos said:

I don't know most of the people involved in this, but what I don't understand is why a guy like Kanrabat got banned. He is a Canadian guy that was just having some fun with friends : he is a PvE guy, had no antecedant at all, and was not even grinding ranks (already rank 10 for several weeks, honor was totally useless for him). He had literally no reason to wintrade... 

As I said, I don't know for the other people, and I respect and encourage your will to punish people cheating, but I really think you banned the wrong person here... 

I totally agree with that.

Kanrabat isn't the type of player targeted by wintrading (he doesn't even farm enough honor to do it.)

#FreeKanrabat

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30 minutes ago, Dekoos said:

I don't know most of the people involved in this, but what I don't understand is why a guy like Kanrabat got banned. He is a Canadian guy that was just having some fun with friends : he is a PvE guy, had no antecedant at all, and was not even grinding ranks (already rank 10 for several weeks, honor was totally useless for him). He had literally no reason to wintrade... 

As I said, I don't know for the other people, and I respect and encourage your will to punish people cheating, but I really think you banned the wrong person here... 

pretty much the same goes for gunzbngbng 

[Randysavage 0]

There may be some validity to some of the bans that were handed out, but I am having an extremely hard time believing that all were warranted.  I am an NA player who has only had the pleasure of playing with Hellopippo on a few occasions and have only played a total of 3 games with the premade that he was actively leading (composed largely of Chinese players.) I can say from my numerous experiences with pippo that he does not fit the profile of a wintrader. He actively coordinates with NA and EU players to set bracket caps so that the grind is attainable for everyone. When I played with him and his premade I was impressed by the skill of their players and never had any inkling of shadiness. That said, my

experiences are few so I do not want to unilaterally denounce all of the bans. 

 

I made this account however to raise 2 points for consideration:

 

1) two or the bans handed out were to players (kanrabat and gunzbzngbzng (sp?)) that simply do not belong in this cohort. I have played with both of these players on occasion, but not frequently because NEITHER IS ACTIVELY RANKING OR GRINDING HONOR. There bans seem to be purely based on the fact that they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Above all else, this should be a red flag to the community because to me it signals that this was an incomplete and hastily conducted investigation. These bans have a serious effect on individuals and the pvp community and I would hate to think that the elysium stuff would take such heavy handed action without being certain that they were in fact acting justly. In the current circumstance I simply cannot believe this was the case. 

2) There is a significant amount of paranoia and distrust within the pvp community that stem from confusion around these bans and what if any evidence was present. In a similar vein to numerous other scandals, this community deserves more transparency regarding why these actions were taken.

 

-Coppadonna, R9 scrub for life

 

[Duron 0]

6 hours ago, Duckduck said:

Are you mad??Jpeg??

Half Names of the list were NEVER join any premade

Baigui

Alexiscold 

Cxhahaha 

Marykay

Shakeyao 

and so on.

 

That guy just report all of Chinese who get high rank dude

Dont be fool

Get real dude , one of these guys above Solo Q and reached 700k , + Most of them are playing in Premades.. Dont be a fool !!!!!!

6 hours ago, Duckduck said:

 

 

 

[Lorilay 12]

I feel like the GM staff has a specific idea of how BGs should be played, but they've done a very poor job communicating that to the player base. Giving up after losing the BS fight shouldn't be bannable. If groups are grinding maximum honor, there's no reason to draw out a game 3-2 for 20 minutes.

[dunarad 0]

Hi!

I'm posting here in support of my friend and guildmate kanrabat. I just want to say that he is not a ranker, and that he had absolutely no interest in riging pvp games, as he plays for fun more than efficiency or rank.

I just want to add that we are having diffuculties talking to GM's, as we (the guild nightcall) is composed of francophone players.

regards,

dunarad.

[Mortaldreamm 0]

support to my guildmate Kanrabat , he hes not a cheater and need a unban to continue healing Nightcall raids !

 

Please unban kanrabat

[Windancer 0]

Here's the thing.

Last time the ban wave is for the reason of "dodging" which means creating empty games for the horde premade to benefit so that they can meet pugs in the BGs. Which sounds much closer to the "wintrading"

And now lets look into this case. As Tsirup explained as a member of the alliance premade in there, the screenshot was made after the Blacksmith fight which got us wiped when we try to win against em 15vs 15. So if your ban reason is "you should not take part in it if you dont want fight it " . then its not a proper one.

Last thing i wanna say is that players involved in this case are mostly chinese players, and the BG dodging involved are mostly EU/NA players. Apparently the players who are involved in the two cases are not treated equally. Even given the facts that the influences of the Creating empty games are much worse.

This community is a big family no matter the region where you come from, you should be treated equally. Yet its not true so far.

so dear Pottu please do things right this time because a whole lot of PVP players are watching. It's the last wow game play for most of the banned players. Please make the decision carefully and not harm the heart of a love for the vanilla wow. Since we did nothing wrong in this case.

[Pottu 290]

If you think we are banning people because of a single screenshot, you are sorely mistaken.

[Slicy 11]

11 hours ago, Lorilay said:

I feel like the GM staff has a specific idea of how BGs should be played, but they've done a very poor job communicating that to the player base. Giving up after losing the BS fight shouldn't be bannable. If groups are grinding maximum honor, there's no reason to draw out a game 3-2 for 20 minutes.

How BGs should be played is pretty obvious don't you think ? 2 teams, simple objectives. It's as "stupid" as any current popular games. I've queued with and into proper groups of players who would always try regardless of how hard they are getting stomped. That is exactly how you get better individually and collectively. You also get a lot more fun out of it (yes yes ranking can be fun, especially in drawn out games, if you don't have to play with your honor tab opened 24/7 because others are cheating).

A typical AB game is actually supposed to last around 15-25 minutes when 2 full teams are playing it.

Reducing what is happening since weeks to 1 game example is an attempt at fooling the mass. As you might have seen (if not I'll happily PM you what I randomly found myself), there has been piles of lvl 60 characters corpses in Searing Gorge (and who knows elsewhere and since how long) who are not being played anymore except for opposite faction honor farm purposes (all in the same guild, all on top of each other and in somewhat hidden spot), as well as ghost queuing/empty games created solely in order to have specific premades get 5-8 vs 15 games. This has happened for days and weeks long. This is not even taking into account the account sharing/buying/selling and multiboxing which are around since ranking system ever existed in this game and that you can easily see just reading world chat advertisements and investigating shady websites selling ranked accounts on both sides for this realm. These aren't brand new offenses in the ranking 'scene'. Resuming the issue to a BG scoreboard is like only seeing a little bird on the top of an iceberg 20 times bigger underwater.