The War Effort Continues!

[Cogfather 25]

Greetings everyone!

The first week of the War Effort has concluded.

In our official announcement the first week, (See here), we detailed our aspirations and goals for the event, as well as the data we had collected from our database, and how we had calculated the amounts required for War Effort materials.

With the amount of materials stockpiled, we knew that an exact replica of the Vanilla War Effort (Exact material amounts from ‘06) was simply not feasible, with many individuals and guilds having a million or more specific materials in storage, seemingly waiting for the release of the War Effort.

Thus, we modified the needed amounts to take into account our current player base, as well as what materials were already farmed. Specifically, we took 70% of stockpiled materials on ACTIVE level 60 accounts logged in during the month of February.

The War Effort was never supposed to be easy.

With this all in mind, over the past week, we have taken everybody's feedback into account, and are currently in the process of re-evaluating and re-calculating materials based upon player participation. Many of the materials stockpiled prior to the event simply have not been turned in.

Below, are the results of the first week, (As of 1PM PST, 3/12/2017).

Materials:

Alliance

• Iron Bar: 55460/600000
• Thorium Bar: 291960/850000
• Arthas' Tears: 217960/425000
• Stranglekelp: 30460/450000
• Light Leather: 57940/850000
• Medium Leather: 94620/575000
• Roast Raptor: 22660/450000
• Rainbow Fin Albacore: 33100/450000
• Linen Bandage: 161960/2000000
• Silk Bandage: 286840/1600000

Horde

• Tin Bar: 30640/425000
• Mithril Bar: 27200/525000
• Peacebloom: 66500/825000
• Firebloom: 21640/425000
• Heavy Leather: 103260/700000
• Rugged Leather: 850000/850000
• Lean Wolf Steak: 11080/275000
• Baked Salmon: 27420/3475000
• Wool Bandage: 61720/1250000
• Mageweave Bandage: 169480/1000000

Shared

• Copper Bar: 53140/1250000
• Purple Lotus: 128960/700000
• Thick Leather: 403060/1300000
• Spotted Yellowtail: 128780/600000
• Runecloth Bandage: 1488320/2000000

Keep on farming!

 

[Owondyah 8]

dat gif tho.... /lol

[Heavenscape 0]

High level mats incentivize the players to farm them by providing reputation badges and reward chests. It's simply not worth grinding the lower level mats. What is more, there are barely any lowbies around to do that instead since Anathema is fairly old already and most people have attained level 60. The results really shouldn't come as a surprise.

[Slicy 11]

10/10 gif

[Krakenlord 0]

It's not like farming low level items is hard, it just takes time. The problem is that the last things to finish will be firebloom/stranglekelp which are impossible to farm. I'm pretty sure that people will focus more on the war effort by the time AQ testing is done on the PTR.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Krakenlord

[Pest 3]

"In 2017, on Anathema-PvP, players currently have over 1 MILLION Copper bars, and over 1.5 MILLION copper ore stockpiled. In summary, we’ve scaled many of the required materials to fit our player base’s needs."

 

1 hour ago, Cogfather said:

Shared

• Copper Bar: 53140/1250000

????????????? Explain to me why people would hoard copper bar/ores. Please.  

 

1 hour ago, Cogfather said:

With this all in mind, over the past week, we have taken everybody's feedback into account, and are currently in the process of re-evaluating and re-calculating materials based upon player participation. Many of the materials stockpiled prior to the event simply have not been turned in.

Thank fucking christ.  Stranglekelp,Raptor Roast, FIREBLOOM. Christ, everything herbs/fishing/cooking really. 

Edited March 13, 2017 by Pest

[Shiamorah 20]

1 minute ago, Pest said:

"In 2017, on Anathema-PvP, players currently have over 1 MILLION Copper bars, and over 1.5 MILLION copper ore stockpiled. In summary, we’ve scaled many of the required materials to fit our player base’s needs."

 

????????????? Explain to me why people would hoard copper bar/ores. Please.  

 

Thank fucking christ.  Stranglekelp,Raptor Roast, FIREBLOOM. Christ, everything herbs/fishing/cooking really. 

Guilds hoard significant amounts so they can have the 1 up on when the event starts. I.E. collect enough mats, then you can donate them when full guild ready to go, and then bam you are one of the first players on the event.

[Forest_ 40]

I'm serioulsy doubting that there are guilds with stockpiled mats who refuse to turn them in. At this point the War Effort has started, those stockpiles are either on random accounts who don't care about the War Effort, or don't know the War Effort exists at all.

I seriously doubt someone has a bank alt sitting around with 2000 copper bars, no one holds that many of a useless item in one bank.

I don't doubt the server queries that Elysium ran were accurate, but I don't think that they are as concentrated as you might believe. Low level materials like copper are gained by nearly everyone from levels 1-30, people roll and quit lowbie characters all the time. There probably is 2,000,000 copper bars somewhere on the server, 5 stacks here, 4 stacks there, but I don't think they're on characters that people are even aware exist at this point.

[Icoppelia 0]

Elixer of greater firepower can't made or used anymore so there's really no reason to horde firebloom. 20-40 is more than enough for your brilliant wizard oils but barely anyone turns it in because it's 10g on the AH to get a level 35 green. Nearly one million rugged leather was completed very quickly because it was worth the turn in reward. Like the staff said the war effort could be completed easily with the materials players have or are capable of getting but there's just not enough incentive for the individual player. Hopefully the numbers are changed to be achievable within the 4-5 week planned window. 20k firebloom was turned in week 1 and we need roughly 20k every day from now on to finish in time. It's just not going to happen.

[Pest 3]

4 hours ago, Shiamorah said:

Guilds hoard significant amounts so they can have the 1 up on when the event starts. I.E. collect enough mats, then you can donate them when full guild ready to go, and then bam you are one of the first players on the event.

Bullshit, no fucking guild is hoarding 1 million copper bars, and 1.5 million copper ore.  According to your logic, one guild is stock piling al the purple lotus, wool bandages, iron bars, etc... etc... so when the event starts, they can donate them when everyone in the guild is ready so they can run into AQ40 10 mins earlier than other guilds???? No way, buddy. Even if that were the case.  They'd be waiting until 2020 for Firebloom to finish.  Some grand plan.

 

 

Edited March 13, 2017 by Pest

[Shiamorah 20]

1 minute ago, Pest said:

Bullshit, no fucking guild is hoarding 1 million copper bars, and 1.5 million copper ore.  According to your logic, one guild is stock piling al the purple lotus, wool bandages, iron bars, etc... etc... so when the event starts, they can donate them when everyone in the guild is ready so they can run into AQ40 10 mins earlier than other guilds???? No way, buddy. Even if that were the case.  They'd be waiting until 2020 for Firebloom to finish.  Some grand plan.

 

 

Okay, so you take my idea and radicalize it. That is fine. 

You cannot argue with the logic that guilds want to be server first. And when it comes to this, the last person to hand in War Efforts officially begins the event. So, with that logic, it is incredibly easy to deduce that the player with the highest chance of success will be the one that hands in the last War Effort. 

[Pest 3]

20 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

Okay, so you take my idea and radicalize it. That is fine. 

You cannot argue with the logic that guilds want to be server first. And when it comes to this, the last person to hand in War Efforts officially begins the event. So, with that logic, it is incredibly easy to deduce that the player with the highest chance of success will be the one that hands in the last War Effort. 

You want me to believe that a guild will sneak by, ring the gong, and start the event without anyone else knowing? That's what you're trying to tell me, isn't it?  

Edited March 13, 2017 by Pest

[Shiamorah 20]

1 minute ago, Pest said:

You're want me to believe that a guild will sneak by, ring the gong, and start the event without anyone else knowing? That's what you're trying to tell me, isn't it?  

I ring the gong right now, with 3k population. That is 3k less players active at the time of the gong. Obvious :)

[Pest 3]

Just now, Shiamorah said:

I ring the gong right now, with 3k population. That is 3k less players active at the time of the gong. Obvious :)

Word, I kinda figured you had 0 clue as to what you were talking about, but this confirms it.  Only 50k copper bars were turned in the first week because some guild is hoarding 2 million + copper so when all the other materials are turned in(assuming copper bar are indeed the last ones to turn in) they can dump the 1 million, and finish it off. Makes perfect sense. Oh, and we're talking shared too.  Both horde and alliance turned in 25k each the first week.  Lmao

[Shiamorah 20]

4 minutes ago, Pest said:

Word, I kinda figured you had 0 clue as to what you were talking about, but this confirms it.  Only 50k copper bars were turned in the first week because some guild is hoarding 2 million + copper so when all the other materials are turned in(assuming copper bar are indeed the last ones to turn in) they can dump the 1 million, and finish it off. Makes perfect sense. Oh, and we're talking shared too.  Both horde and alliance turned in 25k each the first week.  Lmao

Okay. Again, this is a simple idea. You take 30 active guilds. Each of them have 5k copper bars collectively. That is 150k copper bars total. If they submit all of theirs at once, then another guild that has 5k copper bars has an upper hand on them. Because, when you give up your supply, you are a victim of whenever the War Effort happens, you have no impact on when it happens in the last hours. This concept is a very simple one, everyone is holding supplies because they want to have as much impact with them as possible.

 

tl;dr the more you hoard, the more impact you have. No one would expect a 10k drop in War Efforts out of nowhere, which is exactly the advantage a guild needs to get an upper hand in the event.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Shiamorah

[Pest 3]

2 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

Okay. Again, this is a simple idea. You take 30 active guilds. Each of them have 5k copper bars collectively. That is 150k copper bars total. If they submit all of theirs at once, then another guild that has 5k copper bars has an upper hand on them. Because, when you give up your supply, you are a victim of whenever the War Effort happens, you have no impact on when it happens in the last hours. This concept is a very simple one, everyone is holding supplies because they want to have as much impact with them as possible.

Dude, I'm sorry, but that's not what's happening. You are sitting here trying to convince me everyone is so retarded not to check the war effort daily, and figure out what'll be the last material to turn in, and can't figure out when it'll be completed. You're also trying to convince me a guild wants to secretly ring the gong, and enter before everyone else.  You're completely delusional at this point.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Pest

[Shiamorah 20]

Just now, Pest said:

Dude, I'm sorry, but that's not what's happening. You are sitting here trying to convince me everyone is so retarded not to check the war effort daily, and figure out what'll be the last material to turn in, and can figure out when it'll be completed. You're also trying to convince me a guild wants to secretly ring the gong, and enter before everyone else.  You're completely delusional at this point.

Sorry, didn't realize you represent every guild in the game. As if that isn't "completely delusional". If you think there aren't guilds that haven't contributed a single War Effort and have just been storing them, I'm sure you aren't "completely delusional".

[Pest 3]

5 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

Sorry, didn't realize you represent every guild in the game. As if that isn't "completely delusional". If you think there aren't guilds that haven't contributed a single War Effort and have just been storing them, I'm sure you aren't "completely delusional".

Wtf are you even talking about, dude?  You're making assumptions out of nothing. You know nothing, and based on what has been, and hasn't been turned into the War effort.  You're wrong.

5 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

If you think there aren't guilds that haven't contributed a single War Effort and have just been storing them, I'm sure you aren't "completely delusional".

I think every guild has donated everything they've had at this point, there's no reason to save 1 mill copper bars when everything is so low anyways.  If it wasn't an issue, this post wouldn't be here. 

Edited March 13, 2017 by Pest

[Shiamorah 20]

10 minutes ago, Pest said:

Wtf are you even talking about, dude?  You're making assumptions out of nothing. You know nothing, and based on what has been, and hasn't been turned into the War effort.  You're wrong.

I think every guild has donated everything they've had at this point, there's no reason to save 1 mill copper bars when everything is so low anyways.  If it wasn't an issue, this post wouldn't be here. 

Again, keep up the good work representing the entire community :)

[Pest 3]

Just now, Shiamorah said:

Again, keep up the good work representing the entire community :)

Didn't realize the entire community wanted AQ out by August as the earliest release date. Guess I'm in the minority there.

6 hours ago, Cogfather said:

Many of the materials stockpiled prior to the event simply have not been turned in.

Yeah, every single guild has all the materials stockpiled, and are waiting for other guilds to turn there's in so they can sneak into AQ40 before everyone else. Even though they can't get broodlord's head, or anything like that yet, but they're still stockpiling for reasons. 

[Shiamorah 20]

Just now, Pest said:

Didn't realize the entire community wanted AQ out by August as the earliest release date. Guess I'm in the minority there.

Yeah, every single guild has all the materials stockpiled, and are waiting for other guilds to turn there's in so they can sneak into AQ40 before everyone else. Even though they can't get broodlord's head, or anything like that yet, but they're still stockpiling for reasons. 

Sounds like you are part of a guild that turned all their War Efforts in early!! Hurr hurr, I will bet you 100$ on Paypal, seriously, if the Copper Bars % isn't up to 50% by the end of the month.

[Storfan 24]

4 hours ago, Icoppelia said:

Elixer of greater firepower can't made or used anymore so there's really no reason to horde firebloom. 20-40 is more than enough for your brilliant wizard oils but barely anyone turns it in because it's 10g on the AH to get a level 35 green. Nearly one million rugged leather was completed very quickly because it was worth the turn in reward. Like the staff said the war effort could be completed easily with the materials players have or are capable of getting but there's just not enough incentive for the individual player. Hopefully the numbers are changed to be achievable within the 4-5 week planned window. 20k firebloom was turned in week 1 and we need roughly 20k every day from now on to finish in time. It's just not going to happen.

So they took this advice from the other thread?

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Elixir_of_Greater_Firepower
This item has been added in Patch 1.10.

 

[Zodish 1]

Thank you for listening, a re-tuning of the war effort is the right choice.

[Neriel 0]

Shiamorah ... just sthap pls. Your whole point makes little sense. With raid I'd resets its next to 0 gain even if you start the event 5h early. ( if you have any idea about the gong q chain)

[Regulator 0]

These are insane figures.