The War Effort Continues!

[Morathe 5]

Guilds hoard stuff and dont turn it in cause A) they wait to see if AQ is properly done on PTR B) Scarab Lord q is pretty fucked up with only 6 people being able to get it so guilds probably first want to grind up rep for their chosen (extra hard cause wings are bop) and then turn in stuff only to complete last parts of the chain. 

[DPS 6]

16 минут назад, Morathe сказал:

Guilds hoard stuff and dont turn it in cause A) they wait to see if AQ is properly done on PTR B) Scarab Lord q is pretty fucked up with only 6 people being able to get it so guilds probably first want to grind up rep for their chosen (extra hard cause wings are bop) and then turn in stuff only to complete last parts of the chain. 

You cant farm rep until War Effort will finish.

[gh0un 3]

I am one of those people sitting on 3000 copper bars (and a bunch of other materials for that matter).

You wanna know why im not turning them in?

Because the expected value from turning them in is a lot less than the expected value from selling them on the AH.

The war effort rewards are simply garbage for some of the items required, so there is absolutely no incentive for me to turn my materials in.

 

The rugged leather rewards were fine. The runecloth rewards are fine. Whatever has decent rewards, people turn in.

Everything that has crappy rewards people dont turn in.

There is no secret agenda of guilds hoarding stuff. 

 

The only thing that matters is the expected return of turning material X in.

If that expected return is too low, people wont turn in.

This isnt black magic. Its logic.

 

There is no incentive for me to turn my materials in if i dont have a personal benefit from it.

Getting access to AQ is not a personal benefit. Everyone is gonna have access to it at some point, whether i donate or not doesnt matter.

So if you want people to donate stuff, re-evaluate the reward/donation. Or dont and keep looking at 3% copper bars donated.

Edited March 13, 2017 by gh0un

[Morathe 5]

27 minutes ago, gh0un said:

There is no incentive for me to turn my materials in if i dont have a personal benefit from it.

Getting access to AQ is not a personal benefit. Everyone is gonna have access to it at some point, whether i donate or not doesnt matter.

So if you want people to donate stuff, re-evaluate the reward/donation. Or dont and keep looking at 3% copper bars donated.

Stuff that give ok rewards is one thing but there is a chunk of War Effort that is supposed to be sacrifice. Problem is that the "sacrifice" part on retail was done by guilds that wanted to go AQ already and they could stomach doing that without getting any immediate return. And its a whole other story to stomach 1M+ copper bars. So thats the thing, War Effort was calculated taking randoms stockpiled goods into consideration, they have personal benefit in mind so they won't turn it in cause the material is the low reward one... (the one guilds completed as a sacrifice part).

 

[Slicy 11]

Delete materials collecting dust in players' vaults at a set date to force turn in/selling. Problem solved.

[gh0un 3]

4 minutes ago, Slicy said:

Delete materials collecting dust in players' vaults at a set date to force turn in/selling. Problem solved.

So at that point why dont you just remove the war effort entirely?

[Slicy 11]

Greedy bastard comes here talking how he has mats collecting dust in his bank cause he wants to make gold. And asks for custom rewards for low lvl materials so that he gets a greedier incentive to turn in.

I guess you don't want AQ out and rather just go on with your personal useless agenda ? You realize even with 40K gold you will still suck ?

Edited March 13, 2017 by Slicy

[gh0un 3]

9 minutes ago, Slicy said:

Greedy bastard comes here talking how he has mats collecting dust in his bank cause he wants to make gold. And asks for custom rewards for low lvl materials so that he gets a greedier incentive to turn in.

I guess you don't want AQ out and rather just go on with your personal useless agenda ? You realize even with 40K gold you will still suck ?

I have more than enough gold.  Over 6k to be exact.

There is no point for me to log in and turn my materials in.

If you want AQ out so quick go farm the stuff and turn it in yourself. 

Or you can stop being a hypocrite :)

Edited March 13, 2017 by gh0un

[Slicy 11]

ahaha lmao I was right it's just yet another greedy asshole who only cares about his gold count and don't want content to be released. I'm wondering how many retards like this one we have on Anathema, artificially buffing up what was pre-farmed while it was never meant to be turned in. Anyways have fun fapping to your 6k gold. //greedisgood

[gh0un 3]

10 minutes ago, Slicy said:

ahaha lmao I was right it's just yet another greedy asshole who only cares about his gold count and don't want content to be released. I'm wondering how many retards like this one we have on Anathema, artificially buffing up what was pre-farmed while it was never meant to be turned in. Anyways have fun fapping to your 6k gold. //greedisgood

No problem mate you can pay me and ill turn them in. Deal?

Its going to be released whether i turn in or not, so your second point is kinda meh.

A quick count of all my mats and some rough calculation tells me my mats are worth about 1500g in total.

Why would i donate 1500g just so that a flaming ungrateful douche like you can get into AQ?

Edited March 13, 2017 by gh0un

[Slicy 11]

Well no as you can see, they have scaled required materials by just looking at what players had in their banks. Obviously with more greed (why do you even need that gold for ? You're wiping 10 times / week in BWL or what ? You flask for BGs ? x) ) War Effort will take ever longer than it was intended.

If you start thinking "whether I do this or not" you are having the wrong behavior when it comes to a server wide event, especially one requiring everyone to step it up. We should have been done in like 3 weeks tops, but since there are mongoloids thinking they sit on golden eggs it is going to take way more. The longer it takes the more the server empties itself.

Whenever you understand the meaning of the word "effort" and intend to disregard your personal greed over the greater good (yes, war effort is communism), we can have a talk I'd like to transfer Firebloom stacks vs alliance req mats.

 

[gh0un 3]

2 minutes ago, Slicy said:

Well no as you can see, they have scaled required materials by just looking at what players had in their banks. Obviously with more greed (why do you even need that gold for ? You're wiping 10 times / week in BWL or what ? You flask for BGs ? x) ) War Effort will take ever longer than it was intended.

If you start thinking "whether I do this or not" you are having the wrong behavior when it comes to a server wide event, especially one requiring everyone to step it up. We should have been done in like 3 weeks tops, but since there are mongoloids thinking they sit on golden eggs it is going to take way more. The longer it takes the more the server empties itself.

Whenever you understand the meaning of the word "effort" and intend to disregard your personal greed over the greater good (yes, war effort is communism), we can have a talk I'd like to transfer Firebloom stacks vs alliance req mats.

 

You better stop whining and start farming. Time to step it up boy :)

Ill tuck my copper bars away safely in my bank, petting them during cold winter nights.

Edited March 13, 2017 by gh0un

[Slicy 11]

I'm not whining, just pointing out even if you become 10 times richer, you will still be miserable and probably terrible at the game. x)

I merely suggested a proper solution to fix the current issue created by players individual greed. You are just a very good example.

Anyways LF a brained horde to trade horde req mats with ally ones. PM me I don't bite.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Slicy

[Jimmy 2]

13 minutes ago, gh0un said:

You better stop whining and start farming. Time to step it up boy :)

Ill tuck my copper bars away safely in my bank, petting them during cold winter nights.

I'd delete them all out of spite seeing everyone is so bent out of shape over it.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Falorthan

[rajinsu 8]

ya i just hope the servers come back up its been down for what 3hr now.

And hope staff lowers the numbers on some of the war stuff its crazy they need to take in to acount greed that only so many people will be willing to turn in stuff for the rewards .I droped skinning /lw to help and got herb/mining  but with out a mount yet little hard to get to spots that not being farmed for copper i even ran around the one nightelf zone that up from ashen as a hord and still only was able to find 4 copper nodes

It clear copper ore is being hunted because out of 4 zone all most no copper and tons of iron and tin left alone .now weather thats geting used for event or prof on skill or ah or hording no idea

[Morathe 5]

3 hours ago, Sulf said:

You cant farm rep until War Effort will finish.

If thats the case then I'm sorry. I'm not super aware of ins and outs of scarab lord chain. Thought rep grind can be done pre war effort finished. 

[Slicy 11]

He meant you can farm reputation with your faction' cities by handing commendation signets. He wasn't referring to Brood rep which is locked until War Effort is completed.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Slicy

[Ickus 40]

1 hour ago, gh0un said:

I have more than enough gold.  Over 6k to be exact.

There is no point for me to log in and turn my materials in.

If you want AQ out so quick go farm the stuff and turn it in yourself. 

Or you can stop being a hypocrite :)

Tool

[Ickus 40]

Its also very difficult to farm when the servers down for 4-5 hours

[Forest_ 40]

3 hours ago, gh0un said:

I am one of those people sitting on 3000 copper bars (and a bunch of other materials for that matter).

 

I think you think you're WAY smarter than you actually are, being the "last" guild to turn in a material literally benefits you exactly 0. The War Effort quest chain will require you to:

1) Farm 36,000 brood rep with all carapaces being BoP

2) Multiple raid lockouts

3) Over a week of running around the world completing the most ridiculous quests

The first part alone is a matter of effort, if some guild logs on a day later than you and you've been farming rep for a little bit all it takes is that guild to stay online when you go to sleep.

Your mindset is that of /r/iamverysmart, you think you've come up with great master plan when in reality you've actually just revealed yourself as someone who thinks they understand how patch 1.9 on Anathema works, but in reality, has no clue. Or you do understand how it works but you think this "advantage" you're going to gain will matter literally at all.

Unless you have stockpiled 500,000 materials yourself, every single person on the server will be watching the turn ins like a hawk when it reaches 90%+, you think "bombing" a couple thousand materials will give you an advantage of hours? It won't even buy you a couple of minutes, there will be War Effort turn in trackers constantly for the guilds that matter every second of every day once there is even a slight smell of the War Effort finishing in the next week.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Forest_

[gh0un 3]

13 minutes ago, Forest_ said:

I think you think you're WAY smarter than you actually are, being the "last" guild to turn in a material literally benefits you exactly 0. The War Effort quest chain will require you to:

Wtf are you even rambling on about? I have no interest in participating in the quest to get the mount.

There is no way a regular joe like me will ever get that mount so whats the point of even trying.

In fact you are the one that thinks youre way smarter than you are.

Youre trying to read things into something that simply arent there.

 

People dont contribute because there is no benefit in doing so.

It has nothing to do with a questline that only a handful of people are even going to participate in.

 

You want AQ to open now? Go farm the stuff and donate it.

Or pay me the equivalent of what the materials i am holding are worth and ill donate it.

Either way, stop being a prick.

Edited March 13, 2017 by gh0un

[Forest_ 40]

8 minutes ago, gh0un said:

It has nothing to do with a questline that only a handful of people are even going to indulge in.

You want AQ to open now? Go farm the stuff and donate it.

I have been farming quite a bit thanks! Also the fact that you're not even going for the mount and you're sitting on a bunch of mats makes even less sense than before.

No one is begging you to turn them in, go post them on the AH or something, or just admit that you'd rather just look at a shiny bank full of War Effort materials forever so the admins can adjust the numbers (like they said they would) because of people like you.

You haven't done anything wrong, the admins just made the mistake of thinking everyone with materials would turn them in. WoW for you is clearly an economy game, everyone plays the game differently. And the Admins will have to adjust the numbers accordingly, all will be ok.

Your post is actually incredibly important for the Admins to see since now we understand there are people with stockpiled mats with no real intention of helping the effort, you posting here was actually quite productive in a way you may not have intended.

So for that I thank you!

Edited March 13, 2017 by Forest_

[gh0un 3]

4 minutes ago, Forest_ said:

You haven't done anything wrong, the admins just made the mistake of thinking everyone with materials would turn them in.

Thats the first sensible thing you said.

People wont turn it in if there is no point in doing so.

Ill rather delete those materials than donate them so a prick like you can get into AQ sooner than he should.

 

 Your post is actually incredibly important for the Admins to see since now we understand there are people with stockpiled mats with no real intention of helping the effort, you posting here was actually quite productive in a way you may not have intended.

 

In fact that was exactly my intention.

To give a perspective why people like me arent turning the materials in.

If you had read my post properly before talking out of your ass you wouldve understood that right away instead of imaginining things that arent there.

Edited March 13, 2017 by gh0un

[Forest_ 40]

Thanks for the posts gh0un, even if you don't like people like me, people like me still want to help move the effort forward!

Let's go farm mats so we're closer than we were before once they bring the numbers down! :)

[gh0un 3]

Ofc i dont like people like you.

You talking shit to me without even reading my post properly, even though im just giving a perspective on why people arent donating.

Edited March 13, 2017 by gh0un