Server merges for cost effectivization and population increase.

[Nymis 12]

5 minutes ago, Kelgoroth said:

First of all Mahtan is right. You are way too arrogant Nymis. Even you have some valid points noone will take you serious.

 

I'm sorry I don't cater to the people who need a safe-space when confronted with facts. How a message is perceived has little to do with how it's delivered and it falls beyond the scope of my post to care too much about bullshitting you with a different wording so that I may win your influence or trust or any of that stuff. 

If you would say "you do have a point but I don't care because I don't like how you phrased it" that's just you trying to justify still being in a bubble and I want nothing to do with it. 

[behemothdog 4]

2 minutes ago, Nymis said:

I'm afraid that you are reading and hearing what you feel like I'm saying and not what I'm actually saying. 

I have nothing against casuals myself and I understand and agree with your point. However, if your two choices are to:

• piss off the casuals and please the veterans by merging Elysium and ZK
• piss off the veterans and please the casuals by keeping up the two realms separated 

Then if you want to keep people playing you should lean towards the first option. 

There are and always will be more casuals.

More bodies, and more potential donations. 

[Kelgoroth 1]

Nymis you just declared your opinion as true and all other as stupid, trolling or casuals. That is NOT a fact. Also casuals dont need to be stupid. They can bring better arguments than pro gamers possibly.

[Nymis 12]

10 minutes ago, Mahtan said:

Darrowshire and ZethKur are much closer to retail vanilla than Elysium/Anathema.

 

I apologize for misunderstanding me. I was talking about Elysium and ZK merging. 

Darrowshire and ZK merging would be pretty stupid and it will never happen. Different patches, different types of servers, different hardware (I believe they did mention somewhere they were using some older hardware for Darrowshire but don't quote me on this), people with radically different / better gear stomping in PvP/WPvP - so on and so forth.

And no, nobody here needs any "speeding up" to AQ - if we wanted that we would've just played on Anathema. 

As much as I would love to see the look on PvE-ers when they get a taste of WPvP I don't think it would be fair to have them go through that if their first option was to play on a PvE server. Likewise for Zeth'Kur. 

[Piellar 0]

The fact of the matter is, Elysium really isn't a server for everyone. I got a level 25 there and gave up to reroll on ZK with all my friends, some of which are totally new WoW players. The overpopulation made it very hard for them to complete kill quests, grab copper nodes before the mounted people roaming the starter areas. On ZK, you can play WoW "normally" as you would on retail, you can make decent money as a total newbie on the Auction House because not everything is oversupplied, etc.

Now, I understand that Anathema is a server just as precious to some of you guys, but please don't throw ZK under the bus to get its money. I gave 20 bucks for Anathema, and if money is a problem I'm ready to toss another 20 at Zeth'kur this time, and I'm sure many ZK players will as well. Only players from other servers seem to have a problem with our population, we really don't, so please leave us alone. Cheers!

[Nymis 12]

3 minutes ago, Kelgoroth said:

Nymis you just declared your opinion as true and all other as stupid, trolling or casuals. That is NOT a fact. Also casuals dont need to be stupid. They can bring better arguments than pro gamers possibly.

So instead of proving me wrong by raising a point that's not stupid, not trolling and not coming from a casual player's perspective you just resort to saying I'm arrogant and therefore I'm wrong ?

Man, you sure proved me wrong. I will think twice before making that statement ever again. /s 

[Nymis 12]

1 minute ago, Piellar said:

I got a level 25 there and gave up to reroll on ZK with all my friends, some of which are totally new WoW players.

Just out of curiosity, how long ago did you make this change? 

[Storfan 24]

I would like to point out that 1-2k players may indeed have been a healthy population in retail vanilla but that has changed because the way we play the game has changed significantly. In vanilla I played on Al'Akir-EU which at the time was one of the more populated realms, yet you'd rarely see pugs form for ZG/MC, let alone BWL. The raiding and casual community was more split. Raiders raided with their guilds and casuals mainly just did 5mans, ubrs and occationally PvP. 

What has changed is that a great many (even casuals) will strive to raid ZG/MC with pugs and this means you'll need a larger population to support that shift in play-style. With an average population of 1-2k most of the raiding done will be done within guilds alone, meaning less organized community events/pugs.

 

TLDR: 1-2k pop was healthy in vanilla. It is not anymore due to a major shift in the way we play.

[behemothdog 4]

 

2 minutes ago, Nymis said:

I apologize for misunderstanding me. I was talking about Elysium and ZK merging. 

Darrowshire and ZK merging would be pretty stupid and it will never happen. Different patches, different types of servers, different hardware (I believe they did mention somewhere they were using some older hardware for Darrowshire but don't quote me on this), people with radically different / better gear stomping in PvP/WPvP - so on and so forth.

And no, nobody here needs any "speeding up" to AQ - if we wanted that we would've just played on Anathema. 

As much as I would love to see the look on PvE-ers when they get a taste of WPvP I don't think it would be fair to have them go through that if their first option was to play on a PvE server. Likewise for Zeth'Kur. 

I had more than a taste, and I did not like my time wasted with WPvP in any MMO. 

Hell I would bet people play on the PvE server BECAUSE they tasted WPvP.  

THAT BEING SAID, if a merger does happen I hope you are correct that Darrow being combined with and turned into a PvP server is correct and wont happen. 

[Owondyah 8]

Since when 2 THOUSAND PEOPLE is low populated realm? 

Seriously... chill out.

 

Anthema is a bit clunky in stability lately but it won't be like that forever... 

[Ragingducks 9]

Somone people seem to be offended by the fact that most of us enjoy what some call a low population server which, in fact, is exactly how Blizzard designed the game to be played.

If the Elysium project is bleeding money, allow the players to donate amounts that are not obscene to an individual. I'd gladly help for one and I know many people would too.

[behemothdog 4]

1 minute ago, Ragingducks said:

 

If the Elysium project is bleeding money, allow the players to donate amounts that are not obscene to an individual. I'd gladly help for one and I know many people would too.

You can already do that. 

[Nymis 12]

8 minutes ago, Owondyah said:

Since when 2 THOUSAND PEOPLE is low populated realm? 

 

It was 4000 two weeks ago. And 6000 2-4 weeks before that. 

Also, the game wasn't played at the pace we are playing it now with the knowledge we currently have. 

Also you're only counting peak-population time. This morning we had 900 players online, which is less than half that number. 

Also, you're not considering the end-game perspective. For level 60s only, realmplayers.com shows there's 950 Horde players on ZK vs 4.4k Horde players on Elysium. How many of those do you think are still active? How many do you think play on the same timezone? How many of them aren't already in established raiding guilds? How many are playing the desirable spec which make and break any raid? Just to give you an example, if you need 5 Priests for a raid on ZK, that's almost 5% of the level 60 population of Priests on the Horde side. 

Spare me the "this is how the game was meant to be played", game knowledge and player skill have evolved in 12 years of playing and what we need today isn't the same thing as what we needed 12-13 years ago. 

[SaintPaul 1]

Nymis you are missing the point here.

Most of the people playing on ZK are on that server because they did not want to play on Elysium. They like the small population.

Whilst merging might benefit Elysium it would not benefit the majority of people on ZK, and personally I think many would leave if this happened.

The only thing any merge would achieve is lowering the overall server population even further (whilst providing a very slight boost to Elysium's population)

[Kelgoroth 1]

31 minutes ago, Nymis said:

So instead of proving me wrong by raising a point that's not stupid, not trolling and not coming from a casual player's perspective you just resort to saying I'm arrogant and therefore I'm wrong ?

Man, you sure proved me wrong. I will think twice before making that statement ever again. /s 

Is it so hard to understand me? I never wrote that because you are arrogant your points are wrong.

Actually that seems more like the way you would be argumenting.

"Anyone against the Elysium - ZK merge at this point in the game is either trolling or has absolutely no idea what he/she is talking about."

[Nymis 12]

Just now, SaintPaul said:

Most of the people playing on ZK are on that server because they did not want to play on Elysium. They like the small population.

 

I agree with you and while this was the case 2 months ago I believe matters have dramatically changed. Elysium is no longer the server capped at 10.5k with a 12k queue and ZK is no longer the server with 4-5k population active. 

Once the casual players reach endgame, they will start petitioning for a merge and if that merge doesn't come they'll either quit or reroll on Elysium because they will discover that the server has enough Hunters to raid MC over its 4-5 remaining PvE raiding guilds or that waiting for 2-3 hours for a dungeon group at off-peak hours feels terrible and so on and so forth.

This is what we are beginning to see right now by the way. 

[Nymis 12]

2 minutes ago, Kelgoroth said:

Is it so hard to understand me? I never wrote that because you are arrogant your points are wrong.

 

That is the exact thing a person who is living in a bubble would say. Instead of actively engaging with me and trying to prove my point wrong with any facts and points of your own, you just convince yourself that I'm too X and Y to bother with and that my points are wrong anyway. Yet I am engaging with everyone else here in a civil discussion even if we do disagree on our points.

Do you feel well living in that sort of world ? Actually, don't bother replying unless you've got any useful argument to this conversation. You taking me as arrogant isn't an argument, it's an excuse and it's a pretty pathetic one if that's all you can produce in regards to something you disagree with. 

[Kelgoroth 1]

25 minutes ago, Nymis said:

That is the exact thing a person who is living in a bubble would say. Instead of actively engaging with me and trying to prove my point wrong with any facts and points of your own, you just convince yourself that I'm too X and Y to bother with and that my points are wrong anyway. Yet I am engaging with everyone else here in a civil discussion even if we do disagree on our points.

Do you feel well living in that sort of world ? Actually, don't bother replying unless you've got any useful argument to this conversation. You taking me as arrogant isn't an argument, it's an excuse and it's a pretty pathetic one if that's all you can produce in regards to something you disagree with. 

I NEVER said I disagree with you. Actually I am reading the different arguments and still think about what I feel like is right.

Maybe in some way I am living in bubble but you certainly are. You just seem to think that your OPINION is the truth.

Nevertheless I admit that my later posts didn't adress the topic and I apologize for that. I just felt that I have to clarify some things after you attacked me in a very ago way. As Owondyah said : chill out!

[SaintPaul 1]

44 minutes ago, Nymis said:

 Once the casual players reach endgame, they will start petitioning for a merge and if that merge doesn't come they'll either quit or reroll on Elysium

This may happen and If it does, at that time maybe an option to move should be offered. It should not be mandatory though.

Regardless right now, this is not the case. There's not one post on this thread from anyone on ZK who wants a merge.

Right now there are 1500 people on ZK and 8k on Elysium, you are talking about forcing the 1500 to play on a server with over five times the population they are used too.

Edited March 14, 2017 by SaintPaul

[DPS 6]

You told me thats bad idea, but now I see, you got its actually MUST BE IMPLEMENTED idea. ;-)

[Destron 2]

Remember when everyone said that Old Nost Server would be the popular one? Here we are not long into launch and it's pretty clear that the community prefers a fresh realm(Elysium).

 

 

[DPS 6]

5 минут назад, Destron сказал:

Remember when everyone said that Old Nost Server would be the popular one? Here we are not long into launch and it's pretty clear that the community prefers a fresh realm(Elysium).

 

 

 

Cause most people were inactive because they overfarmed everything and just wants AQ and Naxx. Same will be with fresh realms when they'll fail to release BWL/AQ

Edited March 14, 2017 by Sulf

[Storfan 24]

20 minutes ago, Sulf said:

You told me thats bad idea, but now I see, you got its actually MUST BE IMPLEMENTED idea. ;-)

If this was a response to me, I'd like to point out that I agreed with you in your thread yesterday aswell.

[Mahtan 15]

19 minutes ago, Destron said:

Remember when everyone said that Old Nost Server would be the popular one? Here we are not long into launch and it's pretty clear that the community prefers a fresh realm(Elysium).

 

 

EVIL!!!

The token process was broken after a short period of time.

:(

[Zil 0]

3 hours ago, Ragingducks said:

Somone people seem to be offended by the fact that most of us enjoy what some call a low population server which, in fact, is exactly how Blizzard designed the game to be played.

I think that's more to do with the hardware limitations in 2005. There's a reason why the server caps got bigger with each expansion instead of just creating more realms for the playerbase increase. I'm sure if blizzard could have had 4k people playing on a realm back in '05 they would've.