Garr's Massive Explosion

[Oudeis 1]

Since I started raiding on this server, there is one boss that always felt completely different then what I remember on retail 10+ year ago, Garr.

I don't remember anytime where he would make his adds explode by himself. We always ended up with 3-4 adds to kill after him.

Even wiki do not hint to that ability, http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Garr. Even patch change say nothing about it being removed so the fight was not changed later. Where to this ability come from?

Now I see pull request / bug report on the github about fixing it(I think adds can resist and survive). The ability should not be fix, it should be remove.

[Storfan 24]

I couldnt find any immediate source other than this:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/945229-world-of-warcraft-battle-chest/faqs/42533

Quote: "if Garr's life gets low enough, and one of his adds is not banished, Garr will explode one of them, causing 4000 or so AE damage plus the knockback. And if Garr explodes the last add, bad bad things happen."

It does not specifically mention 50% though.

[Slicy 11]

0:27 you will see Garr cast the spell on an add close to the boss, which kills it and knockbacks a warrior (the flying orc with t1 shoulders). You can even hear someone laugh about it and another one saying "I warned you". The add does explode from the spell, considering their focus target was another add marked with Skull which just died, and it is very early into the encounter. Garr HP is at like 100 or 99%.

Wowiki is not a reliable source, anyone can edit the pages.

TLDR : The "Garr's life gets low enough" as a trigger to cast the spell was probably added or removed at some point.

[TTL 6]

25 minutes ago, Slicy said:

0:27 you will see Garr cast the spell on an add close to the boss, which kills it and knockbacks a warrior (the flying orc with t1 shoulders). You can even hear someone laugh about it and another one saying "I warned you". The add does explode from the spell, considering their focus target was another add marked with Skull which just died, and it is very early into the encounter. Garr HP is at like 100 or 99%.

Wowiki is not a reliable source, anyone can edit the pages.

TLDR : The "Garr's life gets low enough" as a trigger to cast the spell was probably added or removed at some point.

I've yet to see Garr blow up an add unless he was at 50% health or the add was killed by the raid. So is it not Blizzlike then?

Also can see this was later into the game due to the increased debuffs on Garr.

[Slicy 11]

Ye and the cow has Zulian Stone Axe so the video is post 1.7 for sure. Seems Garr should be able to cast Massive Eruption on a non banished and in range (it's 30 yards I believe) add regardless of boss HP.

[Oudeis 1]

Right now, he cast it on banished adds(and they explode), at any range and the explosion range is huge, one adds that die that way normaly kill most people of the raid

The video is not showing us if the adds didn't die by itself, after all, you can hear someone say "guy, we are killing skull first", sign of something dieing before skull. Aslo, on this server, Garr use a emote to say he make an adds explode (again, no source anywhere from that), something that don't happen on the video

The guide do say at some point that garr make unbanished adds explode but they also say to keep 4 adds for the whole duration of the fight, something undoable right now since keeping adds below 50% = wipe or at least half the raid dead.

[Slicy 11]

It's doable, and with all the adds not banished.

[Maxvla 0]

It is doable. We kill Garr before any of his adds.

[Storfan 24]

10 hours ago, Slicy said:

It's doable, and with all the adds not banished.

In the Saturday night pugs on Horde side we sometimes have a warrior aoe-tank all the adds while the raid burn down the boss.

[flowqz 34]

19 hours ago, Slicy said:

Ye and the cow has Zulian Stone Axe so the video is post 1.7 for sure. Seems Garr should be able to cast Massive Eruption on a non banished and in range (it's 30 yards I believe) add regardless of boss HP.

in vanilla you kept some of the adds in banish till the end of the fight. no fucking 80y explosions happening.

dunno if it was different in an earlier patch. maybe.

 

and its not about beeing "doable" to kill him without killing an add. that is actually easier than the "normal" way.

[Staden 7]

On 4/12/2017 at 6:07 PM, Oudeis said:

Garr use a emote to say he make an adds explode (again, no source anywhere from that),

http://worldofwarcraft.livejournal.com/6454495.html

It's possible that the emote was added later but I'll get back to you on that. As others have said though, the fight is perfectly doable in its current state, even without using banish and just having a single tank hold them all while Garr is killed.

There's a vanilla video somewhere on YouTube showing a bugged fight where Garr can't kill a mage after the rest of the raid wipes. Over the course of ~5m, he explodes all of his adds. Tricky to relocate it though.

Edit: Vanilla video showing the eruption on adds that are at full health, as well as the emote. Not the one I mentioned above but it's a start.

As for the spell itself, the ID places it in the same range as the rest of Garr's spell, indicating that it almost certainly belongs to him. When they reintroduced Garr as a Hyjal world boss in Cataclysm, they gave him the same ability (tweaked for higher levels).

If we take the wiki you linked and go back in time, we find this:

Quote

Garr can order the firesworn to explode doing AOE damage and knockback,

Edit edit: Interestingly, he continues to attempt to cast the spell even when there are no more adds remaining.

 

[Oudeis 1]

Can we have info about the range and damage of this spell use on this realm. We have access to most of the script easely, yet I tried to load the DB without success.

The spell id being close could only point to spell they made and finaly never used.

Every spell use by Garr except that one are listed on wowhead under ability (http://www.wowhead.com/npc=12057/garr)

Every damage spell used during the MC LFR have -event on their spell effect to note the changed damage for this event (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=19497/eruption, http://www.wowhead.com/spell=20565/magma-blast),

I cannot look at the those video atm, I will try soon. 

[Guybrush 11]

Just found out about this issue so I don't know if its been posted yet: 

From the dungeon companion.

I think the reason why people don't remember him doing it is because the adds were always kept banished until the end.

Massive Eruption working on banished adds is most likely a bug.

Another thing thats missing is that mini garr invasion thing, that seems fun.

[Oudeis 1]

"If he force all his Firesworm to explode, a swarm of miniature Garr begin to pour into the room".... What?