WSG Wall Climbing Exploit

[Poseidon 0]

http://imgur.com/iGVrUeA

Pretty self-explanatory.

Yes, I understand it's an environment issue, but exploiting it should still be prohibited. It gives Horde an unfair advantage when capping flag. Druids can abuse this especially effectively.

To name a few: Respec, Nelythia, Lastcrazy (Darrowshire PvE)

P.S. Please excuse me if this is the wrong forum for this.

[Nelythia 44]

Not an exploit and also you reported me even though I only played 3 games total against you without ever using this jump.

[meavis 0]

The rules for these kind of things are if every class/race can do them through basic jumping/movement they are legal, that includes this jump, tunnel jumps, fence jumps, climbing tree stumps etc.

[Poseidon 0]

When we attacked World Boss non-PvP flagged, you (horde) raised all hell and got the guild banned for 24 hours or w/e, so no don't tell me it's not an exploit. If it isn't, then why doesn't it exist on retail, hm?

And ORLY? Well I'm sorry i can't stretch my arms over to the PrintScreen button while trying to sheep you.

[Nelythia 44]

Alliance gets pvp flagged on every world boss because you don't care and just ninja invite + summon everyone without actually taking care of them being not pvp flagged.

 

Not our fault your warlocks summon everyone that types "123" without checking if they're pvp flagged /shrug

 

As said, these jumps are not an exploit.

I use them too obviously, but I didn't against you in these 3 games today where I even met you for the first time.

 

Funny how you still make a report tho

[Poseidon 0]

Terms of Use Rule 1, Subsection C:

d ). Certain behaviour goes beyond what is considered fair and are considered a violation of this agreement. This behaviour includes, but is not limited to, the following:

 

Using or exploiting errors in design, features, and/or bugs to gain access that is otherwise not available, to facilitate and/or grant you an advantage over other players.

Engaging players through various world terrain, such as roofs that is otherwise not accessible to gain an advantage.

Intentionally not participating in a battleground.

 

I'm pretty sure this falls under using errors in design to gain an unfair advantage!

[meavis 0]

it doesn't exist on retail because the terrain in WSG got altered to patch these and many more jumps out, all of these existed in retail classic and some of these existed through TBC.

see below video for the most basic ones

also I'm getting a feeling this thread is not even about these jumps any more but rather being salty about world bosses.

[drust66 0]

It is not an exploit, and neither are the tunnel 2nd floor jumps for both factions.

To put it simple for you: Anyone can do the jump with a mount, you can make the jumper fail with a stun/blind/fear and even if you cannot do the jump you can just slow fall jump/ noggenfogger fly to horde gy.

[meavis 0]

4 minutes ago, Poseidon said:

Using or exploiting errors in design, features, and/or bugs to gain access that is otherwise not available, to facilitate and/or grant you an advantage over other players.

Engaging players through various world terrain, such as roofs that is otherwise not accessible to gain an advantage.

you found the answer yourself, anyone can do these jumps and they're available to everyone, with the exception of a few which are restricted to certain race/gender combinations (ledge on horde base).

[Poseidon 0]

6 minutes ago, meavis said:

you found the answer yourself, anyone can do these jumps and they're available to everyone, with the exception of a few which are restricted to certain race/gender combinations (ledge on horde base).

If the same jump existed on Alliance side, then I'd agree. But it doesn't. What do I care that I can climb the horde wall?

11 minutes ago, meavis said:

it doesn't exist on retail because the terrain in WSG got altered to patch these and many more jumps out, all of these existed in retail classic and some of these existed through TBC.

see below video for the most basic ones

also I'm getting a feeling this thread is not even about these jumps any more but rather being salty about world bosses.

Well this time you said it yourself, it got patched out!

As far as World Bosses - I only mentioned it because it's a PvE server and people have the full right to not be PvP flagged. No rule requires it. The only thing mentioned in there about world bosses is against griefing. This, however, is unrelated, it wasn't even my guild. I just point it out because it's a similar principle of bending the rules.

 

EDIT:

You know what, let me put it this way - using this jump WHILE carrying the flag should be considered an exploit. I guess at any other time, I'd agree that it doesn't give an advantage.

[Hurricane2 2]

2 hours ago, meavis said:

The rules for these kind of things are if every class/race can do them through basic jumping/movement they are legal, that includes this jump, tunnel jumps, fence jumps, climbing tree stumps etc.

I'm not sure about the others but the admins have stated the fence jump is not allowed and is a banable offense.  Considering that I probably would avoid doing the others as well.

[Hiki 0]

Man i love my fans <3

[Zappa 7]

3 hours ago, Poseidon said:

If the same jump existed on Alliance side, then I'd agree. But it doesn't. What do I care that I can climb the horde wall?

btw it does exist! You can climb up between tunnel entrance and graveyard.

[Lorilay 12]

4 hours ago, Poseidon said:

If the same jump existed on Alliance side, then I'd agree. But it doesn't. What do I care that I can climb the horde wall?

Actually, the Alliance has two jumps to the Horde's one! You can jump up the wall to the right of the tunnel, and you can jump up the wall between the tunnel and the graveyard. Here's a couple of videos from 2008 and 2010 explaining some WSG jumps that still work today: 

 

Both the alliance and horde graveyard jumps require a certain amount of skill to do reliably, and I think it's good that they're doable on here (just like they were on retail until at least 2010). I think higher skill should be rewarded in battlegrounds. I'm actually somewhat sad that the full spectrum of WSG wall jumping isn't available in this client. You could do some very creative jumping behind the terrain features that lasted up until the massive wall jumping nerf halfway through TBC (which also killed getting into Hyjal, Old Ironforge, etc for most classes).

Hopefully the GMs on here get on the same page regarding the graveyard jumps in WSG and allow it fully.

[Khanrage007 0]

Yes these are exploits. I remember doing them in retail back in the days and yes I got banned for it. There are 5 exploits in WSG but I'm not in the liberty to tell. Because due to unfairness of using them. When scrubs say it's not an exploit ... You my scrub have not played retail vanilla so flame all you want but I know where I stand.

[Lorilay 12]

33 minutes ago, Khanrage007 said:

Yes these are exploits. I remember doing them in retail back in the days and yes I got banned for it. There are 5 exploits in WSG but I'm not in the liberty to tell. Because due to unfairness of using them. When scrubs say it's not an exploit ... You my scrub have not played retail vanilla so flame all you want but I know where I stand.

I played on retail from release onward, and never heard of anyone getting banned for any of these jumps. I used them all extensively on my massive battleground grind. Show me evidence of even one person getting banned in vanilla for these, please. Oh wait, you can't because it never happened.

[Poseidon 0]

24 minutes ago, Lorilay said:

Show me evidence of even one person getting banned in vanilla for these, please. Oh wait, you can't because it never happened.

Pro mature response right there. Or is it because the place to obtain such evidence (Blizz Forums) is actually moderated and archived on a regular basis. Sorry I can't show you evidence from 10 years ago. Would you like evidence of the Moon landing too? Cause you know, many people can't find that either... The mere fact retail patched all these things out (including MCing a person out the BG portal) is all the confirmation you people should need. Shouting "IT'S FINE" doesn't make it fine.

[Lorilay 12]

2 minutes ago, Poseidon said:

Pro mature response right there. Or is it because the place to obtain such evidence (Blizz Forums) is actually moderated and archived on a regular basis. Sorry I can't show you evidence from 10 years ago. Would you like evidence of the Moon landing too? Cause you know, many people can't find that either... The mere fact retail patched all these things out (including MCing a person out the BG portal) is all the confirmation you people should need. Shouting "IT'S FINE" doesn't make it fine.

You can use Wayback in the same way that we find evidence of all the other Blizzlike mechanics to recreate that on this server. Things like the wall jump and fence jumps weren't changed for 6 years, and I imagine they only were to simplify the balance of the map when rated BGs were implemented. The fact is, graveyard jumps were absolutely blizzlike for vanilla, and should be the same on this server. Do you want any other changes from Cataclysm as well?

[Poseidon 0]

15 hours ago, Lorilay said:

 Do you want any other changes from Cataclysm as well?

Yes, one in particular - your (and a few others') presence on this server.

MC-ing people out of a battleground was fixed in Vanilla.

[Slicy 11]

There are plenty of Cata servers or previous xpac ones with the "QoL" changes you are asking for. This is not one. Feel free to learn how to counter jump shortcuts which are supposed to be in the game, used since forever and that every single player in the BG can do.

For instance once you realize this druid will probably GY jump, focus on not letting him get past midfield in the first place ? Or make sure you send a rogue or whatever to pick him up once he jumped and fuck him up. A player using the same pattern consistently in a BG becomes very predictable and therefore vulnerable. It's your fault for not turning what you call an "unfair" (which is totally fair but whatever) advantage for a horde FC to a weakness.

Quality thread nonetheless )

[Kazuma 11]

Actually this is a exploit as it is a designer flaw in the terrain. Blizzard didn't intend for you to jump up the hill that way..

Bug abusing, so it's bannable.

[Duality 4]

The design flaws in Vanilla WoW is part of the beauty of this game. It allows for variety and creative use of game mechanics as explained above in this thread. 

[Hurricane2 2]

And it's a good way to get banned as mentioned in the other recent post on this topic that just got locked and several others.  If you get caught in a screen shot doing it then you're in trouble.

[Zak Preston 5]

Moolan on Elysium loves to exploit this tactics

 

3 hours ago, Duality said:

The design flaws in Vanilla WoW is part of the beauty of this game. It allows for variety and creative use of game mechanics as explained above in this thread. 

ofc, when you benefit from these bugs or design flaws

[Lorilay 12]

7 hours ago, Poseidon said:

MC-ing people out of a battleground was fixed in Vanilla.

[Citation needed]