Tune AQ40 same as you did with BWL/MC

[DaHealz 0]

@Pottu  This data is actually not 100% correct, SO tactics do not some how make our players hit bosses for more damage then videos from the time these were released on live. Looking at videos our players w.o the aq20 books since most of these guilds went straight into aq, and w.o naxx gear are hitting for in most cases just over, and in other cases way more then players did in vanilla, watch curse videos of naxx/aq.   Yes tactics would help(spamming attacks)   but they would not make what the attack non crit white hits for.    Now to mechanics, most even aq bosses as well ass bosses in game mechanics have directly to deal with hp, Enrage at certain %   or for certain amount of time while under a % hp, also enrage timers fore wipes etc.  These mechanics don't apply since it can be done.

[killerduki 54]

@Pottu well written and i agree at least with 90% of what you said.

Point is that , when you look at old Videos , average Boss fight from Top Guilds is somewhere between 400-600 Seconds using T3 and Naxx Gear , while we have a case here with Overtuned (by purpose) clearing the raid within 143 minutes or Boss kills within 140-450 seconds average with T2 Gear.

Something is indeed wrong out there, bug abuses probably or non working abilities .

I would love to see official answer regarding bug abuse where Min/Max guilds doing with their level 20 (Alts) giving Soulstones to their whole Raid mains and then enter the Raid , using Portals and Summons for (C'thun as example).

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Alrik 6]

1 minute ago, killerduki said:

@Pottu clearing the raid within 143 minutes.

You need to improve your investigating skills.

We cleared AQ40 in 267 Minutes, not 143. Clearing a Raid includes optional Bosses.

5 minutes ago, killerduki said:

Something is indeed wrong out there, bug abuses probably .

Bug abuses? We have like 4 VODs of our run, the Lead GM confirmed that we had 2-3 GMs watching us the whole run.

The only thing that counts as "bug abusing" in your world is playing viable Speccs

[killerduki 54]

2 minutes ago, Alrik said:

The only thing that counts as "bug abusing" in your world is playing viable Speccs

Bugged Ignite with or without Power infusion, Mobs/Bosses abilities , skipping , Soulstones by Alts etc, shall i count more?

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Alrik 6]

As said, feel free to watch any of our VODs and realmplayer if you see any 2k DPS mages in there.

Skipping trash is a Bug abuse? So if i don't kill every mob from Goldshire to Stormwind i'm bug abusing?

There were 0 Soulstones by alts, again and again, watch our VODs and stop talking out of your ass.

 

Lead GM Pottu confirmed our Run, now go progress on MC Surgers or something.

[Haitharn 2]

35 minutes ago, killerduki said:

Bugged Ignite with or without Power infusion, Mobs/Bosses abilities , skipping , Soulstones by Alts etc, shall i count more?

/Kind regards Killerduki

That was SORRY and many other shit guilds. Check the realmplayers for Coalition, no mage is doing insane damage.

1 hour ago, DaHealz said:

@Pottu  This data is actually not 100% correct, SO tactics do not some how make our players hit bosses for more damage then videos from the time these were released on live. Looking at videos our players w.o the aq20 books since most of these guilds went straight into aq, and w.o naxx gear are hitting for in most cases just over, and in other cases way more then players did in vanilla, watch curse videos of naxx/aq.   Yes tactics would help(spamming attacks)   but they would not make what the attack non crit white hits for.    Now to mechanics, most even aq bosses as well ass bosses in game mechanics have directly to deal with hp, Enrage at certain %   or for certain amount of time while under a % hp, also enrage timers fore wipes etc.  These mechanics don't apply since it can be done.

You do realize that all the guild clearing aq40 this week have 1.8 BiS players? That means full t2, world boss items, legendaries, full consumes, fucking everything. Aswell as stacking buffs (ISB + Shadow Weaving + Nightfall for example). Of course people would do more damage.

[DaHealz 0]

@Haitharn  Yes I do, Please look at what guilds did with aq40/naxx gear and aq 20 books, top guilds like curse death and taxes for the time. Again simple hits (white hits non crits) are much higher now then those guilds did with better BIS gear and new spell ranks this is my point.

[quasexort 4]

Yeah rank 12 fireball adds like 40 more damage from rank 11 fireball it's not going to make a big difference.  Let's face it players are better at min-maxing today than they were 11 years ago. 

 This mage is wearing full T2 for cthun and spec'd frost (Don't even know what spec that is, he has POM AND IB).  Check the debuffs on the boss. Serpent strings, immolation and mortal strikes yet this guild could farm cthun every week 11 years ago. Just because a lot of guilds 11 years ago couldn't kill cthun doesn't mean it was hard, this video is evidence of that.

If you got some video of some min-max guild struggling in AQ post it, otherwise you could just be making all this up.

[Slicy 11]

Actually you can see a lot of guilds on this server min maxing on gear with top notch BiS pieces every slot, fully and properly enchanted while using a perfect debuffs list, who are somehow still struggling on a lot of AQ40 trash/bosses because they think they can just power through and ignore most mechanics.

Just look at the amount of wipes Skeram caused on raidstats for most guilds. I'd die to get the official data on Attempts:Kill ratio for this single boss server wide, which is the very first boss of the raid and yet it is showing itself as quite a challenge.

[killerduki 54]

19 minutes ago, Slicy said:

Actually you can see a lot of guilds on this server min maxing on gear with top notch BiS pieces every slot, fully and properly enchanted while using a perfect debuffs list, who are somehow still struggling on a lot of AQ40 trash/bosses because they think they can just power through and ignore most mechanics.

Just look at the amount of wipes Skeram caused on raidstats for most guilds. I'd die to get the official data on Attempts:Kill ratio for this single boss server wide, which is the very first boss of the raid and yet it is showing itself as quite a challenge.

https://github.com/elysium-project/server/pull/447

Maybe if that was fixed before AQ release, story would been so much different than how many believe (min/max).

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Slicy 11]

What's your point ? You're just derailing a thread again to serve your own agenda. You're saying if spell coefficients were closer to what they should be, min maxing guilds would now magically beat the boss mechanics ? Because what i just said is that It's not a matter of spell coefficient or gear. Half the spells in what you linked aren't even used on a boss like Skeram.

Anyways come back when you are 9/9 before asking to buff up anything in a raid 90% of the raiding guilds on this server don't even clear as of now.

[Imbaslap 14]

i think skeram is tuned nicely honestly. the first boss should be quite punishing for the average player on a new tier of content. Granted, blizzard may have thought differently, but I think its a good wake up call for guilds that play on Anathema who want a challenge and not a cake walk.

[Theloras 108]

3 hours ago, Slicy said:

Actually you can see a lot of guilds on this server min maxing on gear with top notch BiS pieces every slot, fully and properly enchanted while using a perfect debuffs list, who are somehow still struggling on a lot of AQ40 trash/bosses because they think they can just power through and ignore most mechanics.

Just look at the amount of wipes Skeram caused on raidstats for most guilds. I'd die to get the official data on Attempts:Kill ratio for this single boss server wide, which is the very first boss of the raid and yet it is showing itself as quite a challenge.

it was the first time for quite a few people in our guild entering AQ40 or not since retail vanilla - most people forgot the strategies so it was a matter of people getting their feet wet again - progression is progression and wipes are to be expected.

[Pottu 290]

I had the pleasure of monitoring Reign, Entitled, Blacklisted and Dank Budz Collective last night in AQ40. I can definitely say that the raid is not too easy. There were wipes during trash and C'thun was a definite show stopper. Nobody needs to be worried that the Temple is a walkover. 

[Slicy 11]

8 hours ago, Theloras said:

it was the first time for quite a few people in our guild entering AQ40 or not since retail vanilla - most people forgot the strategies so it was a matter of people getting their feet wet again - progression is progression and wipes are to be expected.

It wasn't aimed at your or your guild specifically. Each has its own experience, goals, requirements, playstyles, raid leading, etc. I was just trying to say the real good stuff about AQ40 is that its content requires more than just gear, 1.12 talents and game knowledge. Thus, guilds on this server will enjoy progressing through it way more and for longer than they used to in BWL for instance. So there is absolutely no need to overtune the raid if it's difficult enough, you reckon ?

Just looking at Ouro designed pre-nerf here, good luck if you intend to ignore what an addon tells you to dodge :D

[zophie 0]

Downed C'thun in retaill (in patch 1.11) on a server that had been live for 4 months. The diffrence between today and then is everything is known. When Nihilium world first killed C'thun it was the first time a whole raid flasked (titans in that case). Today you know all tactics, you have farmed your mara, you know all the shit to use. Comparing a private server to retail 10 years ago is like comparing 2 diffrent things. The gear on the people we had on most clearing c'thun in retail would barely get passed in a normal guild on this server.

From what Ive done and seen in AQ it feels pretty balanced and yeh things die fast cause everyone is doing atleast 100 more dps on average then in retail I would say cause of gear/cons/rotation.

[Imbaslap 14]

once the few bugs in AQ40 are fixed, i say it looks good and will definitely give guilds a challenge pushing for 9/9.

lots of fun indeed and bringing back those memories of how awful that raid is (especially the trash).

[Theloras 108]

7 hours ago, Slicy said:

It wasn't aimed at your or your guild specifically. Each has its own experience, goals, requirements, playstyles, raid leading, etc. I was just trying to say the real good stuff about AQ40 is that its content requires more than just gear, 1.12 talents and game knowledge. Thus, guilds on this server will enjoy progressing through it way more and for longer than they used to in BWL for instance. So there is absolutely no need to overtune the raid if it's difficult enough, you reckon ?

Just looking at Ouro designed pre-nerf here, good luck if you intend to ignore what an addon tells you to dodge :D

tuning is fine - just bug fixing (yes pun intended) - player knowledge base is obviously through the roof now so rather than launching ourselves into the complete unknown it's just a matter of practice

we only made it up to and including sartura though - will go back in tomorrow night to see how the rest of the instance plays out

[Lifealert 19]

Difficulty seems to be fine. You have to remember that players had months to prepare for this raid in both the realms of gear/consumes and knowledge of boss mechanics. There is no going back to the past where players had little to no information on boss mechanics and had to figure it out for themselves.

[Normander 0]

15 hours ago, Pottu said:

I had the pleasure of monitoring Reign, Entitled, Blacklisted and Dank Budz Collective last night in AQ40. I can definitely say that the raid is not too easy. There were wipes during trash and C'thun was a definite show stopper. Nobody needs to be worried that the Temple is a walkover. 

Blacklisted down Cthun today!! healers/casters got love :(

[Normander 0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQg7Ljqq2So&t=339s

[killerduki 54]

I had the pleasure today to do aq20 with the Guild , all i can say is:

1- Yes it is Tuned and "it sound very good"

But!

2- Moam and General are 1000 yards away from Blizzlike and not working Blizzlike at all.

I do wonder in AQ40 how much of the things could be, but i'l gladly watch some of these streams to find out that myself.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Ickus 40]

Dude your guild doesn't clear BWL. Get a handle on that... then maybe kill something in AQ and post about it. 

[sumeht 9]

17 hours ago, killerduki said:

I had the pleasure today to do aq20 with the Guild , all i can say is:

1- Yes it is Tuned and "it sound very good"

But!

2- Moam and General are 1000 yards away from Blizzlike and not working Blizzlike at all.

I do wonder in AQ40 how much of the things could be, but i'l gladly watch some of these streams to find out that myself.

/Kind regards Killerduki

What is wrong with Moam and General?  After reading your post I watched a "how to kill rajaxx" and "how to kill moam" video from 2006 and the fights are pretty much exactly as they are on anathema currently.

[killerduki 54]

6 hours ago, sumeht said:

What is wrong with Moam and General?  After reading your post I watched a "how to kill rajaxx" and "how to kill moam" video from 2006 and the fights are pretty much exactly as they are on anathema currently.

Alot , but i'd rather not respond to profile with 1 post unknown to public and derailing this topic.

/Kind regards Killerduki