Buff the Elemental Fire Droprate (Elysium)

[saintnixon 0]

You are proposing a false equivalence; the herb situation was negating the worth of two entire professions.  You could ride around a zone looking for herbs for 30 minutes and only find golden samsan, and if you were lucky maybe a dreamfoil or two.  A lotus, while I occasionally did happen upon one before the herb patch, could never be counted on no matter how hard you tried.  Now, as long as you put the time in you won't leave empty-handed.  Before the herb patch my alch/herb character was just rotting.  The scarcity of herbs was not only causing prices to rise, but it was causing players to only create potions/elixirs that were ideal.  This means that 95% of the available end-game recipes are never being created because no one will sacrifice a single dreamfoil or plaguebloom for anything except raid consumes.  The elemental fire situation was never like this, first off because it is a luxury item, required by no-one.  Secondly, it can be farmed regardless of professions so it effects everyone evenly.  And third, as I mentioned already, you can farm them in BRD securely.  Every raid-tier is going to have its price-gouged item and until the heart-of-fire transmute is released it will be elemental fire.  The scarcity of elemental fire is not impacting the metagame of entire professions.  Get an FR set and save yourself time and money.  If you are in an elitist guild that requires gfpp then convince them to provide them via the gbank or get in BRD when un'goro is saturated.

[Valkari 0]

Regardless I personally don't think a drop rate increase is necessary. Just the transmute recipe as stated before.

[saintnixon 0]

Yes, you want to acquire elemental fire easily regardless of how, I know.  It's not supposed to be ubiquitous during the MC/BWL content patches.

[Storfan 24]

Here's a crazy idea. Use normal fire protection potion instead.

[Hurricane2 2]

Yes regular fire protection pots cost 25% of the amount of greater fire pots while only being 50% less effective on Elysium.

[Justme 9]

26 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said:

Yes regular fire protection pots cost 25% of the amount of greater fire pots while only being 50% less effective on Elysium.

Might as well pop a MHP :/

[Roxy 8]

If you up the drop of one elemental, you will be back again next year whining about elemental earth, and then water when naxx come.

I guess your server got dynamic respawns on mobs, so you already got your fix. Put some effort in and go farm them instead of whining on a forum cause you dont want to spend a few hours farming a luxury item thats not really needed at all.

[Hurricane2 2]

3 hours ago, Justme said:

Might as well pop a MHP :/

They are a little cheaper but fire pot is better because it is proactive and not reactive.

[flowqz 34]

On 19.5.2017 at 7:31 PM, Roxy said:

If you up the drop of one elemental, you will be back again next year whining about elemental earth, and then water when naxx come.

I guess your server got dynamic respawns on mobs, so you already got your fix. Put some effort in and go farm them instead of whining on a forum cause you dont want to spend a few hours farming a luxury item thats not really needed at all.

major shadowprot potions will be a bigger issue in naxx.

 

better stock up some gravemoss!

[Roxy 8]

3 minutes ago, flowqz said:

major shadowprot potions will be a bigger issue in naxx.

 

better stock up some gravemoss!

But that is a herb with an already increased spawnrate, and not a elemental which this discussion is about.

And shadowprot and frost prot are equal in naxx. Need both for one boss each popped on cd. So the amount of pots needed should be equal (depending on how long you spend progressing of course)

 

Edit: frost pots are needed on 2 bosses, so you will need a lot more frost

[flowqz 34]

2 hours ago, Roxy said:

But that is a herb with an already increased spawnrate, and not a elemental which this discussion is about.

And shadowprot and frost prot are equal in naxx. Need both for one boss each popped on cd. So the amount of pots needed should be equal (depending on how long you spend progressing of course)

 

Edit: frost pots are needed on 2 bosses, so you will need a lot more frost

not really.

you dont need frost protection pots. but you need shadowprot pots.

 

gravemoss doesnt have many spawnpoints, it will be more expensive than fire prot potions are right now.

[Roxy 8]

10 minutes ago, flowqz said:

not really.

you dont need frost protection pots. but you need shadowprot pots.

 

gravemoss doesnt have many spawnpoints, it will be more expensive than fire prot potions are right now.

You obviously havent done the 2 last bosses in naxx then. Massive frost damage on both bosses, in addition to healers wearing frost res gear so they have gimped stats on sapphiron. 

Kel'tthuzad spamming ice blocks and frostbolt volley. Yes you need frost protection pots. Maybe less of them when bosses are on farm than on loatheb, but on progress you need a lot of them

[flowqz 34]

31 minutes ago, Roxy said:

You obviously havent done the 2 last bosses in naxx then. Massive frost damage on both bosses, in addition to healers wearing frost res gear so they have gimped stats on sapphiron. 

Kel'tthuzad spamming ice blocks and frostbolt volley. Yes you need frost protection pots. Maybe less of them when bosses are on farm than on loatheb, but on progress you need a lot of them

kel? 15s timer and your potion absorbs 1 bolt while beeing on a 2mins cd.

if they did it with frost prot back than it should be no problem doing it without it today.

 

you dont need frost protection potions, they are nothing more than "nice 2 have". this is classic.

[Roxy 8]

57 minutes ago, flowqz said:

kel? 15s timer and your potion absorbs 1 bolt while beeing on a 2mins cd.

if they did it with frost prot back than it should be no problem doing it without it today.

 

you dont need frost protection potions, they are nothing more than "nice 2 have". this is classic.

Thats true. But thats the same with every prot potion in vanilla with the exception of shadow on loatheb. Everyone will still use them on cd to help out to reduce the damage. With the exception of healers who will pop mana potion instead.

 

 

[TheLoon 0]

On 5/9/2017 at 0:32 PM, Valkari said:

I had another post about the same thing but my suggestion is to implement the transmute asap.

I think this is a good idea

[Roxy 8]

19 minutes ago, TheLoon said:

I think this is a good idea

Its only a short term fix to something that can be solved by simply going out and farm it yourself.

When AQ and naxx release you will need other elementals, that does not have a transmute. are you going to cry for elysium to create unblizzlike transmutes for those as well?

The fix is already in the game, its called dynamic respawns, meaning that you already got elemental spawns that fit your increased population

Its only people farming and taking advantage of other peoples lazyness that create these kind of prices for the pots.

[saintnixon 0]

2 hours ago, TheLoon said:

I think this is a good idea

The xmute is released when AQ is on the horizon as an indirect nerf to the previous raid tiers, implementing it early simply would make content that is already trivial to master exceedingly easy and, in turn, boring.  Whatever raid tier the current patch is focusing on should be the one that is expensive to consume for.

[Valkari 0]

 

7 hours ago, saintnixon said:

The xmute is released when AQ is on the horizon as an indirect nerf to the previous raid tiers, implementing it early simply would make content that is already trivial to master exceedingly easy and, in turn, boring.  Whatever raid tier the current patch is focusing on should be the one that is expensive to consume for.

Only difference is now you know what is coming and can farm to prepare. I already have over 1k elementals for nature pots and over 100 shadow oil. Its obvious we will never agree.

[saintnixon 0]

No matter their decisions on matters such as this there will be a segment of the population who get shafted; think of all the people who are busting their ass right now farming elemental fire - if they implement what you want, their time becomes retroactively and arbitrarily wasted because they could have done something else or nothing at all and been just as well off as far as GFPPs go.  That doesn't seem fair to them, they should be able to profit from their hard work, be it monetarily or via raid success.  Making elemental fire ubiquitous cheapens their labors.  Better to stay the course of 'blizzlike' because that is what was promised and is what should be expected.  You may argue that they have departed from blizzlike but that is a segway into a new conversation.  Until they announce that they no longer intend to emulate blizzlike conditions, then blizzlike is all we can expect and gear our efforts towards.

[flowqz 34]

On 23.5.2017 at 6:10 AM, saintnixon said:

No matter their decisions on matters such as this there will be a segment of the population who get shafted; think of all the people who are busting their ass right now farming elemental fire - if they implement what you want, their time becomes retroactively and arbitrarily wasted because they could have done something else or nothing at all and been just as well off as far as GFPPs go.  That doesn't seem fair to them, they should be able to profit from their hard work, be it monetarily or via raid success.  Making elemental fire ubiquitous cheapens their labors.  Better to stay the course of 'blizzlike' because that is what was promised and is what should be expected.  You may argue that they have departed from blizzlike but that is a segway into a new conversation.  Until they announce that they no longer intend to emulate blizzlike conditions, then blizzlike is all we can expect and gear our efforts towards.

i wonder who is busting their ass off to farm elemental fire, almost everyone is selling that stuff if he farms it excsessive.

they also didnt care about ppl busting their ass off to farm lotus or herbs in general, which were stockpiled way more than elemental fire.

 

>You may argue that they have departed from blizzlike but that is a segway into a new conversation.

not really. classics populationcap was 2,5k players online. right now we have ~7k players in peakhours.

so ppl arguing resources should be adjusted, as they did with the populationcap, to keep it "blizzlike", is a valid point.

 

 

[Roxy 8]

3 hours ago, flowqz said:

i wonder who is busting their ass off to farm elemental fire, almost everyone is selling that stuff if he farms it excsessive.

they also didnt care about ppl busting their ass off to farm lotus or herbs in general, which were stockpiled way more than elemental fire.

 

>You may argue that they have departed from blizzlike but that is a segway into a new conversation.

not really. classics populationcap was 2,5k players online. right now we have ~7k players in peakhours.

so ppl arguing resources should be adjusted, as they did with the populationcap, to keep it "blizzlike", is a valid point.

 

 

Your point would have been valid, if it wasnt for dynamic respawns on your server already increasing the available resources.

the fact that elemental fire is so expensive is probably due to a very small amount of players are farming them to keep the prices high. Or people are using way more than necessary,

My guild on Darrowshire havent used GFPP since Dire Maul patch arrived because they just aint needed, you can avoid every deadly amount of fire damage. But if your raid dont know how to spread out properly, you will need the expensive pots.

Every other server have survived having expensive GFPPs, when anathema was still nostalrius they had twice your population, and dynamic respawns didnt come until very late in their timeline. They managed just fine, so will you.

[flowqz 34]

2 minutes ago, Roxy said:

Your point would have been valid, if it wasnt for dynamic respawns on your server already increasing the available resources.

 

as far as i know dynamic respawns of mobs only count per zone, not serverwide. so unless we get an additional 60+ppl into unguro/arathi, which are all competing for the fire elementals, there shouldnt be a huge difference.

[saintnixon 0]

5 hours ago, flowqz said:

i wonder who is busting their ass off to farm elemental fire, almost everyone is selling that stuff if he farms it excsessive.

they also didnt care about ppl busting their ass off to farm lotus or herbs in general, which were stockpiled way more than elemental fire.

 

>You may argue that they have departed from blizzlike but that is a segway into a new conversation.

not really. classics populationcap was 2,5k players online. right now we have ~7k players in peakhours.

so ppl arguing resources should be adjusted, as they did with the populationcap, to keep it "blizzlike", is a valid point.

 

You can't farm high level herbs and blotus in BRD.

[flowqz 34]

15 hours ago, saintnixon said:

 

You can't farm high level herbs and blotus in BRD.

no, but you can farm black lotus in av.

[saintnixon 0]

4 hours ago, flowqz said:

no, but you can farm black lotus in av.

There is a distinction between uncontested pve instancing and highly contested pvp instancing.  The entire point of my original recommendation of BRD was the fact that it is uncontested, not that it is in an instance.  Also, the player controls the BRD reset, the server controls the AV reset.