Duality 4 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 Druids got nerfed to shreds and dealt with it. Do me a favour and do the same.. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingRat 1 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 This is the holy resistance argument revision 2. Duki and Theloras going on rants and posting copypaste walls of text without being able produce PERTINENT real proof via video or screenshot/official patch note. Luckily, last time they had help from another forum poster, see if they can crack this one on their own or will they have to accept defeat. LET'S FIND OUT. //kind regards 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Ram said: I am not into this thing and I do not play in this server, but there is proof that it once stacked and unless you have not found proof WHEN it was changed, you should keep it as it is. Changing it now to a non stackable version of it would be a change based on assumptions and therefore not professional. Btw this is NO troll post, I am serious about what I wrote. That's the whole point , they want to make it to a non stackable version based on assumptions and not professional. I already presented everything in the bugtracker , all of the hotfixes , all of the bugfixes , including the link that it should stack. They still decide to be "Darkrasp from Crestfall" and deny everything without any single evidence or counter evidence given. You've said it correct 100% , but i think @Phoosy will never understand that part. No wonder why PlayTBC failed badly. /Kind regards killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Imbaslap 14 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 6 hours ago, Adeline said: Wow, if a wowwiki article and Theloras convincing Feenix devs is the only actual support for seal twisting being functional in vanilla maybe that needs to be looked into as well. @Imbaslap could have a field day here. Good job guys! Let's hope for a pull request on the judg stacking soon! Seal twisting exists due to spell delay on all spells in the game. Elysium didn't implement this and by doing so would break the entire spell system in the game currently. The only servers replicating the spell delay from retail vanilla and tbc are crestfall and that TBC project evolve is in. (Forgot the name) Trust me, feenix did a hackfix for seal twisting because they knew the horrors laying in wait for adding in a global spell delay for all spells. Aside from seal twisting, multi rank judgements don't exist. Seal twisting does but due to blizzard retail servers being slow as balls and having a delay (400ms) on all spells casted. Replicating that will be a project and a half. But go ahead and put the bug report in. Not sure what they can do to replicate the behavior aside from adding a spell specific delay to pally seals which could produce some fun results. However, it won't be 100% blizzlike because every other spell would be missing the same behavior... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 35 minutes ago, Imbaslap said: Aside from seal twisting, multi rank judgements don't exist. That's why i Traveled back in 2005 to write that post thanks to Imbaslap's time machine, so we can prove in 2017 that did exist?! Maybe Crestfall wouldn't be so retarded project if there was no Imbaslap defending (Holy Resistance) Logic there. http://forums.crestfall-gaming.com/index.php?/topic/237-paladin-bug-thread/&do=findComment&comment=2517 Quote Imbaslap Posted July 22, 2016 the all resist affix from enchants and items that we see affect the player's holy resist in pvp. that we can confirm intentional by blizzard. http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=243&mid=11287757594799940 Oct 09 2005 Multiple paladins can stack different ranks of the judgements on the same mob. The last time my raid group killed Ragnaros we didn't have enough priests to do AoE heals on the rogues, so the three paladins in the melee groups coordinated different ranks of Judgement of Light on him, and the rogues and dps warriors ended up healing themselves a lot. /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingRat 1 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, killerduki said: That's why i Traveled back in 2005 to write that post thanks to Imbaslap's time machine, so we can prove in 2017 that did exist?! Maybe Crestfall wouldn't be so retarded project if there was no Imbaslap (Holy Resistance) Logic there. http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=243&mid=11287757594799940 Oct 09 2005 Multiple paladins can stack different ranks of the judgements on the same mob. The last time my raid group killed Ragnaros we didn't have enough priests to do AoE heals on the rogues, so the three paladins in the melee groups coordinated different ranks of Judgement of Light on him, and the rogues and dps warriors ended up healing themselves a lot. /Kind regards Killerduki I will use the same argument you just used to prove that it was removed from the game. Quote: Multiple paladins can stack different ranks of the judgements on the same mob. The last time my raid group killed Ragnaros we didn't have enough priests to do AoE heals on the rogues, so the three paladins in the melee groups coordinated different ranks of Judgement of Light on him, and the rogues and dps warriors ended up healing themselves a lot. Reportedly this was nerfed in the 1.8 patch so that now you can only have one rank each of JoW and JoL on a monster, though I haven't had a chance to confirm this. Also, there's apparently some kind of aggro screwup when JoL and JoW proc since the patch. Not sure if this has been hotfixed or not. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, kingRat said: I will use the same argument you just used to prove that it was removed from the game. Reportedly this was nerfed in the 1.8 patch so that now you can only have one rank each of JoW and JoL on a monster, though I haven't had a chance to confirm this. Also, there's apparently some kind of aggro screwup when JoL and JoW proc since the patch. Not sure if this has been hotfixed or not. I had to do that , because we have retarded people. 1.8 Patch Notes http://web.archive.org/web/20061110080250/http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/patch1p8.html Blue Post with all hotfix/bug fix http://web.archive.org/web/20060412160341/http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com:80/thread.aspx?fn=wow-bugs&t=103709&p=1&tmp=1 /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patchi 4 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) I don't even know why people try to argue with Duki or Theo, like they can't think logically at all. It's never been a Blizzard feature to allow multiple ranks of debuffing spells to stack. You can't multi rank CoE, CoS, CoR, Agony, Winters Chill, Ignite, Sunder armor, ANY OTHER DEBUFF EVER, but for some reason, you think it's reasonable to stack pally judgements because someone once said they did it. But there's evidence that blizzard removed a VISUAL bug with the judgements stacking, meaning that they never intended for the effects to stack at all, and there was a visual bug that showed they were stacking, so they fixed that. Just stop. You're only making yourself out to look like a fool, well, more than normal I guess. Edited May 23, 2017 by Patchi Spelling 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, Patchi said: I don't even know why people try to argue with Duki or Theo, like they can't think logically at all. It's never been a Blizzard feature to allow multiple ranks of debuffing spells to stack. you think it's reasonable to stack pally judgements because someone once said they did it. But there's evidence that blizzard removed a VISUAL bug with the judgements stacking, meaning that they never intended for the effects to stack at all, and there was a visual bug that showed they were stacking, so they fixed that. Because according to your Logic that person was probably retarded for posting that the spell it was working like that back in 2005 and the "Icons" removing during 2.4 Patch (Late TBC) was because of "Visual bug" .. Great, perhaps giving Evidence with confirmation for your claim would made any sense , but unfortunately neither you , neither any1 given it already. /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euronymous 2 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 YES Make JoL ranks unstackable please. Anything to elicit more butthurt from non-specs. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patchi 4 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 21 minutes ago, killerduki said: Because according to your Logic that person was probably retarded for posting that the spell it was working like that back in 2005 and the "Icons" removing during 2.4 Patch (Late TBC) was because of "Visual bug" .. Great, perhaps giving Evidence with confirmation for your claim would made any sense , but unfortunately neither you , neither any1 given it already. /Kind regards Killerduki You haven't given any evidence that it wasn't just a visual bug either, so don't go on some crusade when you can't provide actual video proof, or proof from blizzrd themselves that the judegements were meant to stack. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Patchi said: You haven't given any evidence that it wasn't just a visual bug either, http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=243&mid=11287757594799940 Oct 09 2005 Multiple paladins can stack different ranks of the judgements on the same mob. The last time my raid group killed Ragnaros we didn't have enough priests to do AoE heals on the rogues, so the three paladins in the melee groups coordinated different ranks of Judgement of Light on him, and the rogues and dps warriors ended up healing themselves a lot. /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patchi 4 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 Again, no video evidence, or anything other than one guy saying he saw the visual bug. Nothing where the effect of the judgements stacked. Keep pasting that same uninformative post. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Patchi said: Again, pure evidence, or anything other than one guy saying he saw effective healing (NOT VISUAL BUG). Keep pasting that same informative post. Fixed for you. The same way as 1000 Bugs was reported/fixed in server. Again , i didn't go back in 2005 to post that in order to prove for some kind of bugged private server in 2017. /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patchi 4 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 God you're dense. I don't even know why I come to the pally forums and read the Theoduki circle jerk and try to bring logic at all into the conversation, they will fix the bug, and it will be working as intended, so enjoy it while it lasts. Maybe you can get a few more kills stacking 5 JoL before they take it away and you're back to wiping all day. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hurricane2 2 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, Patchi said: Again, no video evidence, or anything other than one guy saying he saw the visual bug. Nothing where the effect of the judgements stacked. Keep pasting that same uninformative post. This post duki refers to is hearsay and in no way fits the definition of proof or evidence which is needed in the argument he is attempting to make. The gms have asked for evidence and duki has not obliged. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cubi 3 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 just stop already. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said: The gms have asked for evidence and duki has given it. Fixed for you. http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=243&mid=11287757594799940 Oct 09 2005 Multiple paladins can stack different ranks of the judgements on the same mob. The last time my raid group killed Ragnaros we didn't have enough priests to do AoE heals on the rogues, so the three paladins in the melee groups coordinated different ranks of Judgement of Light on him, and the rogues and dps warriors ended up healing themselves a lot. /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hudson 16 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 If this mechanic existed, surely you can find a single video showing two Judgements of Light on the same mob? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hurricane2 2 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, killerduki said: Fixed for you. http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=243&mid=11287757594799940 Oct 09 2005 Multiple paladins can stack different ranks of the judgements on the same mob. The last time my raid group killed Ragnaros we didn't have enough priests to do AoE heals on the rogues, so the three paladins in the melee groups coordinated different ranks of Judgement of Light on him, and the rogues and dps warriors ended up healing themselves a lot. /Kind regards Killerduki That is not evidence or proof and congrats you are the 1st person I've had to ignore in 6 months of viewing these forums due to your ignorance and spreading of stupidity. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingRat 1 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 To follow with Duki's backwards rhetoric, keep in mind holy resistance being removed from the game cannot be proven by official patch notes. However it could be eventually proven with video evidence - which Duki nor Theloras aka the autism duo couldn't find regardless of the 'dedication' to their cause. Now we have this simpleton arguing that a 'mechanic'(bug) should be kept in based on a forum post, which has a contradicting forum post in the same exact place, neither of the posts can be used as evidence to prove anything, "though I haven't had a chance to confirm this." doesn't mean a nerf didn't happen nor does whatever duki keep posting mean it did happen past 1.8 (even if it happened pre 1.8). @Hudson he can't, since it didn't exist. However, what he can do is post the same redundant line from a forum post ad nauseam. // kind regards, logic 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hudson said: If this mechanic existed, surely you can find a single video showing two Judgements of Light on the same mob? Same as you could find a single video showing Twisting Seal , One-Handed Weap spec, Demons in Winterspring being immune to Charmed , Video from this you could find maybe? , Why don't you give Evidence or Video from that? , Or maybe you could provide Video from this too ?! ? /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hudson 16 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, killerduki said: Same as you could find a single video showing Twisting Seal , One-Handed Weap spec, Demons in Winterspring being immune to Charmed , Video from this you could find maybe? , Why don't you give Evidence or Video from that? , Or maybe you could provide Video from this too ?! ? /Kind regards Killerduki I'm talking specifically about the ability to stack more than one rank of Judgement of Light. You keep quoting a comment on a very popular website at the time, but can you really tell me that no one ever thought to do it in a raid? There are literally thousands of videos of boss encounters on YouTube from vanilla, which should give you ample and obvious evidence for a mechanic such as this. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killerduki 54 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, Hudson said: I'm talking specifically about the ability to stack more than one rank of Judgement of Light. You keep quoting a comment on a very popular website at the time, but can you really tell me that no one ever thought to do it in a raid? There are literally thousands of videos of boss encounters on YouTube from vanilla, which should give you ample and obvious evidence for a mechanic such as this. That's the whole point , you have a clear evidence with comment on a very popular website at the time . As far you demand Video , there are almost 1000 things not recorded in a Video which they did exist in Game ,not because everyone knew or did , neither bother recording that, neither they gave any shits about Private Servers . Last thing , when someone report ANY bug , should give evidence for their claim , in this situation nobody gave any counter evidence neither any sort of evidence against judgement stacking. /Kind regards Killerduki 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patchi 4 Report post Posted May 23, 2017 If you could find, literally, ONE video showing double judgement of light, or wisdom from retail vanilla, everyone would concede your argument and agree that it was indeed working that way in retail, at least before 1.8. However, instead of doing that, instead of cementing your invalid argument, you're sitting here spewing the same copy paste forum that isn't clean cut evidence, and has a differing post not 2 posts under it, saying it didn't work, at least after 1.8. Go find real evidence, but for the love of god, stop vomiting on the forums. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
