Raiding without addons + bigwigs

[Caber 4]

On 20.6.2017 at 3:10 PM, Muhsogyny said:

Raiding isn't remotely hard enough to warrant the use of addons, as long as the raid leader is calling out timers

...so what you're saying is, you rely on bigwigs timers (by having your raidlead call them out) but you act like you dont need them (by refusing to use it yourself)

[Morathe 5]

On 6/22/2017 at 4:46 PM, Justme said:

I bet you drive an automatic

I bet you're a gypsy and ride a caravan... asshole 

[Agrillos 0]

If you use full raid addons:
Good for you & your raid.

If you don't use raid addons:
Don't expect to see anything other than molten core (and please don't confuse vanilla experience with p-servers.).
You might not be noticed because other people use addons and your raid leader is announceing a lot of stuff. But if you classify stuff in that way you shouldn't use teamspeak because it makes stuff 'easier' - which will lead you to die a lot (on some encounters) because you won't move away/hide fast enough.

 

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For me raiding with ktm and bigwigs is for mentally impaired (lazy) people. No bigwigs provide a fun challenge and makes the fights actually interesting. Arcade-game style..

Don't feed the troll.

[Ragward 2]

On 6/21/2017 at 3:30 PM, sreaver said:

It is a different game for sure without addons, especially KTM. But I dont think the players of this generation can find fun in doing calculations on their own and in creating their own tactics to compensate some people being worse in those calculations. I don't think many 'top-raiders' who started in private servers or later in vanilla could handle Vael or Broodlord without KTM and known tactics, like you had to back in the day.

Create their own tactics - game has been out for what 12 years I am sure that all the tactics required to do bosses have been thought of and very pointless creating NEW tactics the only thing required on this front is assigning your raid to their strengths and weaknesses.

 

Back in the day - literally everyone that played WoW was a full on retard and compared to the knowledge you have now and what you can do now you cannot even compare - "Calculations" there was once a need for this when the game was NEW now not so much pretty much everything has been worked out and simulated the only change is the core you are playing on and what they have coded.

[sreaver 0]

Tactics - as in to work around some people being way worse without addons, in this context.

Calculations - as in calculations in your head about how much threat have I done, how much time untill next ability etc. because you did not have addons to tell you that, when real men played this game.

I hear often the statement that everyone who played back in the day were retards, and the only thing retard with that statement is the logic behind it. It's like saying that because it took Tesla years to invent and develop tesla coil, and because today young kids can be taught the principles and even build one in hours, Nikola Tesla must have been retard compared to modern mouthbreather.

While in reality we know that results, for example, in IQ tests have been going steadily down in western societies, so it's easy to conclude that also players of today (and computer users in general) are also dumber each year. They just seem 'smarter' because they have, in this case, addons holding their hand and telling them the information that the past, more intelligent, playerbase figured out and taught them.

[sreaver 0]

And don't get me wrong, there are ton of youngsters with tremendous gifts and abilities, but partially because of these permanent 'training wheels' like features in almost all aspects of life (like addons in WoW), these poor guys will never realize their true potential and will end up recirculating the ideas and thoughts of past generations in perpetuity.

[Software 9]

2 hours ago, sreaver said:

And don't get me wrong, there are ton of youngsters with tremendous gifts and abilities, but partially because of these permanent 'training wheels' like features in almost all aspects of life (like addons in WoW), these poor guys will never realize their true potential and will end up recirculating the ideas and thoughts of past generations in perpetuity.

It's hilarious that you're debating "hand holding" in a game by comparing life changing scientific breakthroughs to using a timer in a game to monitor something. 

This game is old now. There is no mystery. There are no surprises.  You're just being stubborn. 

Don't be a buffoon. 

[khalismur 6]

27 minutes ago, Software said:

It's hilarious that you're debating "hand holding" in a game by comparing life changing scientific breakthroughs to using a timer in a game to monitor something. 

This game is old now. There is no mystery. There are no surprises.  You're just being stubborn. 

Don't be a buffoon. 

What actually hilarious is, is that you didn't understand his analogy.

[Software 9]

2 hours ago, khalismur said:

What actually hilarious is, is that you didn't understand his analogy.

Shouldn't you be in molten core pretending you're playing an arcade game?

[riplip 2]

Crusty sweaty-balled hardcore players mashing on casuals for wanting to have fun playing the game that they enjoy playing, leaving the  *whips out popcorn* strat viable.

 

I wouldn't have it any other way.