Scared to join Elysium

[Luwoo 0]

Hi everyone,

I  decided to quit Legion due to many reasons - I can't spend more than a few months w/o getting bored and quitting. I want to go back to old school WoW and hopefully that will be more fun than what retail is atm.

However, I am afraid. I am afraid that I will spend most of the time alone on this server. See, a big part of WoW for me is group activities - dungeons, PvP, questing etc. My fear is that in this server, due to the amount of players and absence of some LFG tool, I will end up lvling alone 95% of the time. Apart from some random people I meet while questing + maybe several dungeons where I find 4 like-minded people. But I do not see how these can be achieved in a sustained manner, meaning regular dungeons atleast once a day or something.

My question to the more experienced players in Elysium - is my fear reasonable? Is it really the case that you spend most of the time doing solo until end-game?

I would really love some inputs from you guys, I have high hopes for this server! Thanks.

[Storfan 24]

Just type:

/join world

there. Now you're not alone anymore.

[Luwoo 0]

2 minutes ago, Storfan said:

Just type:

/join world

there. Now you're not alone anymore.

That I was not aware of - thanks! However, not entirely sure it's what I'm looking for heh

[flowqz 34]

no it isnt.

 

and if you think the lfg tool is good grp content, than you never played classic.

[Luwoo 0]

2 minutes ago, flowqz said:

no it isnt.

 

and if you think the lfg tool is good grp content, than you never played classic.

I think LFG tool makes it easier to get together, rather than trying to find 4 people in /world for a dungeon run. But maybe this is manageable, maybe people do this exact thing and it works - I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

[Duality 4]

LFG tool means you end up in an instance with random people, who you've never spoken to and are likely to never speak to again (if you even speak during the instance). I leveled up a toon on Legion too and I didn't actually interact with anyone. The players that appeared in my group after clicking the LFG button might as well have been bots. No social aspect what-so-ever.

In vanilla groups are formed through the local and world chats and you may need to /who to find a certain role for your party. This requires more work on your part, but it's more rewarding. Because you play with people on the same server (unlike LFG tool function to pair you up with players from god knows where) you're likely to speak to these players again. 

In terms of questing you'll find that some quests and elite quests in vanilla are actually difficult. You'll once again need to form a group or ask for help. In many instances the person you group with will have other elite quests too and you may end up questing together for a while. 

Because of the "low" population, reputation is actually a thing. You shouldn't be toxic, ninja or leave halfway through a dungeon. You cannot simply change servers or your toons name if people dislike you.

The guild community in vanilla is also very strong compared to later expansions.

[Luwoo 0]

6 minutes ago, Duality said:

LFG tool means you end up in an instance with random people, who you've never spoken to and are likely to never speak to again (if you even speak during the instance). I leveled up a toon on Legion too and I didn't actually interact with anyone. The players that appeared in my group after clicking the LFG button might as well have been bots. No social aspect what-so-ever.

In vanilla groups are formed through the local and world chats and you may need to /who to find a certain role for your party. This requires more work on your part, but it's more rewarding. Because you play with people on the same server (unlike LFG tool function to pair you up with players from god knows where) you're likely to speak to these players again. 

In terms of questing you'll find that some quests and elite quests in vanilla are actually difficult. You'll once again need to form a group or ask for help. In many instances the person you group with will have other elite quests too and you may end up questing together for a while. 

Because of the "low" population, reputation is actually a thing. You shouldn't be toxic, ninja or leave halfway through a dungeon. You cannot simply change servers or your toons name if people dislike you.

The guild community in vanilla is also very strong compared to later expansions.

Thanks, this is what I was looking for! I think I forgot how things go by after the LFG tool was introduced.. Indeed, Legion does have it and I never felt more alone.
I remember guilds being a much bigger part of the daily life. Hopefully I'll be able to get in on one of those as early as possible to get some community exposure.

[Duality 4]

1 minute ago, Luwoo said:

I remember guilds being a much bigger part of the daily life. Hopefully I'll be able to get in on one of those as early as possible to get some community exposure.

Indeed. I cannot speak for all guilds but in mine we communicate alot through voice-coms, even when we're just going about our daily rutines. We've even had several IRL meetups. The social aspect of a guild is key to it's success.

[Storfan 24]

43 minutes ago, Luwoo said:

That I was not aware of - thanks! However, not entirely sure it's what I'm looking for heh

World and trade chats is where 90% of the group-finding happens in vanilla, unless you play exclusively with your guild.

36 minutes ago, Luwoo said:

I think LFG tool makes it easier to get together, rather than trying to find 4 people in /world for a dungeon run. But maybe this is manageable, maybe people do this exact thing and it works - I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

Easier and less personal. LFG-tools and other quality-of-life changes is what made retail wow into the cancer that it currently is. Completely devoid of social interaction.

[Malga 1]

1 hour ago, Luwoo said:

I can't spend more than a few months w/o getting bored and quitting.

Wow Vanilla is a matter of patience, farming, devotion and moreover friendship :)

[Luwoo 0]

44 minutes ago, Storfan said:

Easier and less personal. LFG-tools and other quality-of-life changes is what made retail wow into the cancer that it currently is. Completely devoid of social interaction.

 

30 minutes ago, Malga said:

Wow Vanilla is a matter of patience, farming, devotion and moreover friendship :)

I agree to both of you. My only fear was that there is no communication in this server due to lack of LFG tools / population itself. Meaning that even if Vanilla way is the right way, it doesn't help if there's nothing hapenning. If you state that dungeons and etc indeed do happen throughout low levels - that clears any fears that I had.

[Storfan 24]

42 minutes ago, Luwoo said:

 

I agree to both of you. My only fear was that there is no communication in this server due to lack of LFG tools / population itself. Meaning that even if Vanilla way is the right way, it doesn't help if there's nothing hapenning. If you state that dungeons and etc indeed do happen throughout low levels - that clears any fears that I had.

You will see plenty of action in trade and world channels, fear not.

[Morathe 5]

LFG tool was double edged blade. Sure it made you "group up" with just one click but the very common thing happened that is coded in human brain that tickle sense of achievement there. If something is easy you don't appreciate it and thus community turned into zombies that don't even say "hi" to each other when grouped via LFG. 

Honestly? If you don't put much effort into actively looking for company then YES u're going to be alone 95% of the time cause leveling is doable solo, grinding consumables is also soloable etc. It takes much of time and effort to have people around you all the time. Why effort? because sometimes u might need someone that is half a world away and since traveling is time consuming you need to actually be "important" enough to people you ask for help. So you must be helping them all the time, grinding dungeons you no longer need, helping them with attunements quests that also doesn't benefit you anyhow except for strengthening the bonds between players so they might come to help you with whatever u need in unknown future. 

Vanilla takes a leap of faith tho. 

But personally. Don't let this discourage you but I personally think vanilla servers are pointless after all this time. I tried like 5 big private servers and every of them sorta dies out after AQ opens, its fun for a few weeks to clear AQ but then server is emptying day after day and you end up with 100+ days played with your uber epic toon but zones are semi-empty, there is nothing to do and nothing is really fun anymore. I only say this cause you said retail can't suck you in for more than 3 months, with vanilla its only different case because capping your char takes 10 times longer due to how various gear pieces are obtained but eventually hype dies out... you just realize it after wasting 10 times more time;p or well... after enjoying 10 times more time. Nothing lasts forever. 

[Luwoo 0]

12 minutes ago, Morathe said:

LFG tool was double edged blade. Sure it made you "group up" with just one click but the very common thing happened that is coded in human brain that tickle sense of achievement there. If something is easy you don't appreciate it and thus community turned into zombies that don't even say "hi" to each other when grouped via LFG. 

Honestly? If you don't put much effort into actively looking for company then YES u're going to be alone 95% of the time cause leveling is doable solo, grinding consumables is also soloable etc. It takes much of time and effort to have people around you all the time. Why effort? because sometimes u might need someone that is half a world away and since traveling is time consuming you need to actually be "important" enough to people you ask for help. So you must be helping them all the time, grinding dungeons you no longer need, helping them with attunements quests that also doesn't benefit you anyhow except for strengthening the bonds between players so they might come to help you with whatever u need in unknown future. 

Vanilla takes a leap of faith tho. 

But personally. Don't let this discourage you but I personally think vanilla servers are pointless after all this time. I tried like 5 big private servers and every of them sorta dies out after AQ opens, its fun for a few weeks to clear AQ but then server is emptying day after day and you end up with 100+ days played with your uber epic toon but zones are semi-empty, there is nothing to do and nothing is really fun anymore. I only say this cause you said retail can't suck you in for more than 3 months, with vanilla its only different case because capping your char takes 10 times longer due to how various gear pieces are obtained but eventually hype dies out... you just realize it after wasting 10 times more time;p or well... after enjoying 10 times more time. Nothing lasts forever. 

Thanks. Honestly, at this point I'm looking to enjoy the ride. That is the reason I made this post - I can't enjoy the ride if there's nobody to enjoy it with. Seems like it's not the case tho, so I'm happy. And what happens at end-game that's a question I'll raise at a point far away in the future from now.

[petroix 4]

It mostly depends on you. If you whisp people, ask for group or to do some quests together then you can make friends. I almost never do that and that's why I have to play solo - so it depends on me. But if someone whisp me first we sometimes group up and even run several maps together. It depends of your personality, if you like to speak to people etc. then you will be fine, definitely much better than or retail, guys above already said why. And you can also join a guild, but you have to be active again to make friends.

[Ragward 2]

47 minutes ago, Morathe said:

LFG tool was double edged blade. Sure it made you "group up" with just one click but the very common thing happened that is coded in human brain that tickle sense of achievement there. If something is easy you don't appreciate it and thus community turned into zombies that don't even say "hi" to each other when grouped via LFG. 

Honestly? If you don't put much effort into actively looking for company then YES u're going to be alone 95% of the time cause leveling is doable solo, grinding consumables is also soloable etc. It takes much of time and effort to have people around you all the time. Why effort? because sometimes u might need someone that is half a world away and since traveling is time consuming you need to actually be "important" enough to people you ask for help. So you must be helping them all the time, grinding dungeons you no longer need, helping them with attunements quests that also doesn't benefit you anyhow except for strengthening the bonds between players so they might come to help you with whatever u need in unknown future. 

Vanilla takes a leap of faith tho. 

But personally. Don't let this discourage you but I personally think vanilla servers are pointless after all this time. I tried like 5 big private servers and every of them sorta dies out after AQ opens, its fun for a few weeks to clear AQ but then server is emptying day after day and you end up with 100+ days played with your uber epic toon but zones are semi-empty, there is nothing to do and nothing is really fun anymore. I only say this cause you said retail can't suck you in for more than 3 months, with vanilla its only different case because capping your char takes 10 times longer due to how various gear pieces are obtained but eventually hype dies out... you just realize it after wasting 10 times more time;p or well... after enjoying 10 times more time. Nothing lasts forever. 

This is a matter of Opinion , Personally during nost days and even now we have got a healthy community on "Elysium fresh" yes hype dies down but that is literally with any game there is no game that has maintained its crazy hype numbers past a few months as IRL gets in the way or boredom kicks in.

From personal experience I find myself far more entertained on Vanilla servers then retail as there is far more activity between players which is what I find worth while in a MMO experience.

But I have filler games aswell such as counter strike etc to give myself a break from WoW every now and again not to burn myself out.

I think this is a key factor in maintaining a strong uptime on your wow playing and not burning out.

[Morathe 5]

On 6/14/2017 at 1:29 PM, Ragward said:

This is a matter of Opinion , Personally during nost days and even now we have got a healthy community on "Elysium fresh" yes hype dies down but that is literally with any game there is no game that has maintained its crazy hype numbers past a few months as IRL gets in the way or boredom kicks in.

From personal experience I find myself far more entertained on Vanilla servers then retail as there is far more activity between players which is what I find worth while in a MMO experience.

But I have filler games aswell such as counter strike etc to give myself a break from WoW every now and again not to burn myself out.

I think this is a key factor in maintaining a strong uptime on your wow playing and not burning out.

Ah well Elysium is fresh realm so there is certain charm with those servers because everyone is a pioneer there. But on Anathema things are a bit stagnant. Let me tell you how i see those servers: 

If its progression server aka it goes from patch 1.3-1.12 content over months/years its only successful if it survives in good health up to naxx release and then sustain for a bit before dying out (due to end of the line issue). But what if vanilla servers die out and loose 90% of their population? in every single case I witnessed... literally I tried 5 big vanilla servers and played on them more or less actively and every server that tried to be "blizz-like" ends the same, it don't even get to naxx and 90% of the crew is off the board already. 

This is a fact by now after 10 years of vanilla private scene and it makes me wonder if its the fault of human error and people that managed those servers? That they couldn't handle bugs or made wrong decisions... ekhem war effort ekhm... that killed their servers before their time? Or maybe there is something in "vanilla" itself that is just not bound to survive.

Thats what makes me thing vanilla is a bit pointless as it fails to sustain itself over its progressive course. To that end I think nowadays if "vanilla" server was to survive it'd have to be managed by creative people with energy to manage some events. Yea you heard right:) Custom events. 

[Luwoo 0]

52 minutes ago, Morathe said:

Ah well Elysium is fresh realm so there is certain charm with those servers because everyone is a pioneer there. But on Anathema things are a bit stagnant. Let me tell you how i see those servers: 

If its progression server aka it goes from patch 1.3-1.12 content over months/years its only successful if it survives in good health up to naxx release and then sustain for a bit before dying out (due to end of the line issue). But what if vanilla servers die out and loose 90% of their population? in every single case I witnessed... literally I tried 5 big vanilla servers and played on them more or less actively and every server that tried to be "blizz-like" ends the same, it don't even get to naxx and 90% of the crew is off the board already. 

This is a fact by now after 10 years of vanilla private scene and it makes me wonder if its the fault of human error and people that managed those servers? That they couldn't handle bugs or made wrong decisions... ekhem war effort ekhm... that killed their servers before their time? Or maybe there is something in "vanilla" itself that is just not bound to survive.

Thats what makes me thing vanilla is a bit pointless as it fails to sustain itself over its progressive course. To that end I think nowadays if "vanilla" server was to survive it'd have to be managed by creative people with energy to manage some events. Yea you heard right:) Custom events. 

I guess it's the fate of private servers in general, not just vanilla. They die out at some point, either due to people maxing out end content or getting bored while trying to get there. If retail was a private server contained within one expansion - it would've died years ago. But blizzard keeps adding shit expansions so there's some players left to play.

However, I don't think that's the only criteria that defines a good server experience. For me personally, it's the ride itself that is far more important than sustainable end-game gameplay. Sure, for more hardcore players the leveling experience + shallow end-game content might not be enough. But I probably won't even reach lvl 60 before getting demotivated, quitting lvling and making a twink or something.

I guess what I'm trying to say we should also enjoy the ride even if we see inevitable doom in the (near) future - just like irl :)

[Mozq 1]

Trust me, you'll meet a lot of cool people doing dungeons. 

[szuszak 2]

and some assholes 

 

[Whiskyjack666 2]

On 6/14/2017 at 3:29 AM, Luwoo said:

Hi everyone,

I  decided to quit Legion due to many reasons - I can't spend more than a few months w/o getting bored and quitting. I want to go back to old school WoW and hopefully that will be more fun than what retail is atm.

However, I am afraid. I am afraid that I will spend most of the time alone on this server. See, a big part of WoW for me is group activities - dungeons, PvP, questing etc. My fear is that in this server, due to the amount of players and absence of some LFG tool, I will end up lvling alone 95% of the time. Apart from some random people I meet while questing + maybe several dungeons where I find 4 like-minded people. But I do not see how these can be achieved in a sustained manner, meaning regular dungeons atleast once a day or something.

My question to the more experienced players in Elysium - is my fear reasonable? Is it really the case that you spend most of the time doing solo until end-game?

I would really love some inputs from you guys, I have high hopes for this server! Thanks.

 

You are not prepared!

[MPilecki 0]

I am also concerned about finding groups in this WoW.

I did play vanilla WoW back in the day but it was before I had many friends who liked video games and I pretty much played 1 - 60 alone. I've changed a lot as a person since then, a lot more open and just down to talk to people - which is funny because now retail WoW has removed any need to talk to others etc. So I am excited to start playing on Elysium and actually talk to people. 

I know there may be days when no one is doing the same content as me, but that's just how the cookie crumbles sometimes.

[Luwoo 0]

2 minutes ago, MPilecki said:

I am also concerned about finding groups in this WoW.

I did play vanilla WoW back in the day but it was before I had many friends who liked video games and I pretty much played 1 - 60 alone. I've changed a lot as a person since then, a lot more open and just down to talk to people - which is funny because now retail WoW has removed any need to talk to others etc. So I am excited to start playing on Elysium and actually talk to people. 

I know there may be days when no one is doing the same content as me, but that's just how the cookie crumbles sometimes.

I'm only lvl 11 now but there's always people doing same quests as you are - sometimes it even sucks because the elites are dead because of that. Furthermore, a lot of groups seem to be recruiting for dungeons of all levels so honestly my fears weren't reasonable and it didn't take much time to realize that.

Anyway, if you're casual and play in the evening - add me (same nick in-game) and we can lvl together :)

[Jester94 0]

Most people are assholes or chinese. Find irl friends or lvl 60 autists will camp your lvl 20 char and make it unplayable

[Gnog 1]

4 hours ago, Jester94 said:

Most people are assholes or chinese. Find irl friends or lvl 60 autists will camp your lvl 20 char and make it unplayable

Not at all my experience leveling two toons to 60 on Elysium Alliance in the last three months. And I PUG constantly. Plenty of friendly players. And many Chinese players are good and speak adequate English. The worst part of the Elysium community is the minority of racists and bigots, like this poster, who, for some strange reason, think it's okay to stereotype and malign an entire segment of the community based on their language and national origin.