Zeth'Kur rankers screwed

[flowqz 34]

17 minutes ago, Garun said:

Keep in mind that you also had an unfair advantage over Elysium which is easy access to mats compared to Elysium.

since the herbspawnrate adjustment i doubt this is the case for herbs.

[Gizmore 0]

We had a long time to deal with a very low pop, so gearing was taking more time, i call this a disadvantage ... 

[Fibber 2]

3 hours ago, flowqz said:

since the herbspawnrate adjustment i doubt this is the case for herbs.

Same for mining nodes. It is impossible on a low pop realm to get arcane crystals.  I don't know what it's like on Elysium server, but on Zeth, if you want to mine rich thorium, your mining circuit is the entire continent because spawn rates are over an hour.

[Gizmore 0]

Usually 45 mins, and as i know on ely are only herbspawns increased not mining nodes, to be fair, it was easy to farm arcane crystals on zeth

[Myllz 8]

46 minutes ago, Fibber said:

Same for mining nodes. It is impossible on a low pop realm to get arcane crystals.  I don't know what it's like on Elysium server, but on Zeth, if you want to mine rich thorium, your mining circuit is the entire continent because spawn rates are over an hour.

Dunno what you're talking about, I used to farm Arcane Crystals every day in Winterspring.

[Vollfos 2]

16 hours ago, Lehman Russ said:

We are all (presumably) merging in to a server with a much higher population than our own; therefore, the number of available slots for ranking up increases. More people can achieve higher ranks.

/violin

 

thats wrong , its a percantage per bracket compared to all 15 hk per week , means if high ranked zK player comes now on our ely server , they have not more spots then before , on alliance side all br 1 and 2 spots are regulated and already given to players. so perhaps there is then 1 more br1 spot and 3-4 more br2 spots this week after the merge,  then the comitee will recalc end of the week and give the more spots to the guys whos has already enough honor. ( all for alliance , i know horde isnt that organized) . and noone on elysium is willing to give a br 1 or 2 spot to the new players , if you can give them to the own premade members without comunication . so , shout out to all highranked premade players from zk, stay in contact with the comitee on alliance side , and perhaps you will have the chance not to derank this week. 

 

[Fiers 0]

11 hours ago, Garun said:

Keep in mind that you also had an unfair advantage over Elysium which is easy access to mats compared to Elysium.

Easy access to some mats. No access to rarer items. An anemic AH on both factions for *months*, on which a single player was able to monopolize a huge portion of.

Also, with xfers to servers other than Elysium open as well, many of our prices skyrocketed far beyond what they otherwise would have been, as Anathema players with ZK alts stocked up to make themselves exceptionally wealthy.

 

But all of that is largely irrelevant. Any minor economic advantages are completely separate from PvP, which is the topic at hand. It's not "xferring players are screwed", it's the higher ranked players who are screwed. In a specific, major way, on top of being screwed for months.

 

It's been significantly harder to rank on ZK than Elysium, due to how small our brackets are - I know outside players look at our honor caps, and laugh at how low they are most weeks compared to Elysium, but they have no idea. Rankers haven't finished farming their week's honor before Tuesday night in months, and a single premade that all played together the entire week would span from bracket 1 to bracket fucking **5**. In proportion to the number of players on our server, our brackets have been over twice as small as Elysium's, and even worse for people who are actually ranking. We barely managed to get a 4th rank 14 before transfers, compared to ~50 on Elysium. We had 9 or 10 rank 13s, to Elysium's ~90. Most pvpers have spent the last 3-4 weeks simply trying to stop or slow decay and wait for the transfers, because actual progressing was only possible for a few people at a time. Bracket 1 on alliance was taken by an account sharing chinese player who was online 23 hours a day for a month (starting when they were rank 6 or 7) before they finally got banned.

 

But that's all offtopic too, and in the past - none of that really matters in this topic.

This thread is specifically about how the xfers themselves have completely fucked our higher ranked players. That by not being able to play for the last 36 hours and counting, plus not having 3 days of saved marks (all mail is left behind in the transfers), no one from ZK at rank 11+ has any realistic chance of not decaying this week. And that's without sweating the fact that ZK players are unknowns on a much bigger server with established rules and brackets and players that our players have to figure out and try to find their way into. Which is perfectly fine and reasonable -- if ZK players can't fight our way to the top of the system on Elysium, they don't deserve to rank up further -- but not when they're all at a massive handicap right from the start. Given how far behind everyone already is, PvPers would rather the transfers not even finish until after *next* Wednesday's maintenance, and lose the week entirely, than try to farm in < 5 days (and shrinking) what everyone else has had 7 to do.

 

There is no counter to the point this thread is making.

 

It is undeniable fact that if nothing is done to address the situation, then high ranked ZK players are getting screwed, at no fault of their own, and completely of their control. Any attempt to dismiss, minimize, or distract from the issue by people in this thread or elsewhere is simply invalid. The only reasonable responses from staff are either "We agree, and will seek out and implement the best possible solution for those most affected by this situation", or "We agree, and in spite of our best efforts, there are unfortunately no options at our disposal that can improve or resolve the situation appropriately."

Of course we're happy to be able to play at all. Of course we appreciate that it's free, and the efforts of everyone involved. Of course we're lucky to be getting transferred off ZK instead of left alone to die. But that doesn't mean that no criticism can be voiced, that no other issues deserve attention, or that appreciation for those things means that no one has a right or basis for requesting resolution to massive issues.

We greatly appreciate the staff acknowledging the issue, and bringing it to the attention of those capable of addressing it. We sincerely hope some sort of resolution or mitigation of the problem can be found and implemented.

[Hurricane2 2]

I wish to know more about this player you mentioned that monopolized parts of the zeth AH.

[Myllz 8]

Guessing he means Aguila.

[Wilhelmet 0]

Lehman Russ you are just a troll

[Firebrand 3]

On 6/22/2017 at 5:00 PM, Fiers said:

Easy access to some mats. No access to rarer items. An anemic AH on both factions for *months*, on which a single player was able to monopolize a huge portion of.

Also, with xfers to servers other than Elysium open as well, many of our prices skyrocketed far beyond what they otherwise would have been, as Anathema players with ZK alts stocked up to make themselves exceptionally wealthy.

 

But all of that is largely irrelevant. Any minor economic advantages are completely separate from PvP, which is the topic at hand. It's not "xferring players are screwed", it's the higher ranked players who are screwed. In a specific, major way, on top of being screwed for months.

 

It's been significantly harder to rank on ZK than Elysium, due to how small our brackets are - I know outside players look at our honor caps, and laugh at how low they are most weeks compared to Elysium, but they have no idea. Rankers haven't finished farming their week's honor before Tuesday night in months, and a single premade that all played together the entire week would span from bracket 1 to bracket fucking **5**. In proportion to the number of players on our server, our brackets have been over twice as small as Elysium's, and even worse for people who are actually ranking. We barely managed to get a 4th rank 14 before transfers, compared to ~50 on Elysium. We had 9 or 10 rank 13s, to Elysium's ~90. Most pvpers have spent the last 3-4 weeks simply trying to stop or slow decay and wait for the transfers, because actual progressing was only possible for a few people at a time. Bracket 1 on alliance was taken by an account sharing chinese player who was online 23 hours a day for a month (starting when they were rank 6 or 7) before they finally got banned.

 

But that's all offtopic too, and in the past - none of that really matters in this topic.

This thread is specifically about how the xfers themselves have completely fucked our higher ranked players. That by not being able to play for the last 36 hours and counting, plus not having 3 days of saved marks (all mail is left behind in the transfers), no one from ZK at rank 11+ has any realistic chance of not decaying this week. And that's without sweating the fact that ZK players are unknowns on a much bigger server with established rules and brackets and players that our players have to figure out and try to find their way into. Which is perfectly fine and reasonable -- if ZK players can't fight our way to the top of the system on Elysium, they don't deserve to rank up further -- but not when they're all at a massive handicap right from the start. Given how far behind everyone already is, PvPers would rather the transfers not even finish until after *next* Wednesday's maintenance, and lose the week entirely, than try to farm in < 5 days (and shrinking) what everyone else has had 7 to do.

 

There is no counter to the point this thread is making.

 

It is undeniable fact that if nothing is done to address the situation, then high ranked ZK players are getting screwed, at no fault of their own, and completely of their control. Any attempt to dismiss, minimize, or distract from the issue by people in this thread or elsewhere is simply invalid. The only reasonable responses from staff are either "We agree, and will seek out and implement the best possible solution for those most affected by this situation", or "We agree, and in spite of our best efforts, there are unfortunately no options at our disposal that can improve or resolve the situation appropriately."

Of course we're happy to be able to play at all. Of course we appreciate that it's free, and the efforts of everyone involved. Of course we're lucky to be getting transferred off ZK instead of left alone to die. But that doesn't mean that no criticism can be voiced, that no other issues deserve attention, or that appreciation for those things means that no one has a right or basis for requesting resolution to massive issues.

We greatly appreciate the staff acknowledging the issue, and bringing it to the attention of those capable of addressing it. We sincerely hope some sort of resolution or mitigation of the problem can be found and implemented.

Nothing time and patience cant fix.

 

Dont know why zk rankers feel entitled to keep their rank when ots obviously going to be lower on ely.

When we arrive on ely well see how the thing is.. this is just useless banter. 

 

Cheers

Pendragon.

[Fiers 0]

46 minutes ago, Firebrand said:

Nothing time and patience cant fix.

How does time and patience fix losing 2-3 weeks?

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Dont know why zk rankers feel entitled to keep their rank

Don't know why they wouldn't be.

 

A month or two ago, Elysium had a major issue with rankings, where there was a massive honor miscalculation. During maintenance, their RP was calculated, and then a second week was accounted for based on the prior day's honor or something along those lines. The Elysium team worked their asses off that week to try to fix that whole mess.

 

Should they have not bothered fixing the situation, and instead simply told everyone to suck it up and get over it, because it's "nothing that time and patience can't fix"?

 

What we've got here is another group of pvpers enduring an extra week of decay due to reasons entirely out of their control. The contexts are vastly different, but situations are similar. And even without the similarities, it's a situation that merits attention and, if possible, a solution.

[gamemechanic 0]

Rankers may have lost a little for a week, but will gain much more in the following weeks.

[Beetroot 0]

You got the rank on ZK which is a different server. Prove you can get it again on Elysium. Oh and thanks for the lag btw, hope you enjoy your stay.

[Beetroot 0]

3 hours ago, Melektaus said:

The lag has always existed on Elysium you dimwit. Anytime the population goes above 7k there's lag, blame the chinks who are on 24/7 farming everything to sell their accounts and rinse-repeat. Lag will never go away until all my IPs are banned.

With all the people that left there was no lag anymore. Thank god this merge changed that!

[woahwut 3]

It's all balanced. Deal with it you babies.

Zeth was able to farm mats and honor easily with lack of competition.

[Hurricane2 2]

3 hours ago, woahwut said:

It's all balanced. Deal with it you babies.

Zeth was able to farm mats and honor easily with lack of competition.

I didn't even play on Zeth'Kur and know this is completely false.

[woahwut 3]

5 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said:

I didn't even play on Zeth'Kur and know this is completely false.

Use common sense then.

[Morathe 5]

TL:DR the whole thing but as an ex-ranker from nost/anathema... I don't wanna be rude but it really shows you ranked on easymode bonanza server without any real competition. Let me tell you how we dealt with road blocks back then on 13k pop server: we buckled up and grinded one more week, or two if shit went real south. We took a hiatus from real life until done or burnt out. It was obvious you couldn't have it both ways.

Edit: Many other servers would just accept one of their experiments died and leave you dry. So the fact that you have to grind up what you lost isn't a bad thing... not to mention that you enter higher pop server so there is a fair chance that if you had a parallel char ranking on it it would be lower rank that your zeth'kur char, because lets be honest zeth'kur wasn't exactly top of the world competition. I know every ranker consider his ranking time the MOST HARDCORE ever but you guys really had it easy, believe me on a word. 

Anyway as I said, you're a refugee so take your fate with dignity and work your way up. Many servers would just let you die. 

[Morathe 5]

So you actually had it blizz-like... I agree there is certain inconvenience when it comes to small brackets especially when br1 is occupied by not cooperative account sharers. But then on higher pop server you get 5 more groups like that, you have to stay awake 18 hours a day and its all bg spam, think of energy you gotta have to grind wsg with queues being <10seconds. Non stop grind. For months. And then your bracket leader miscalculates and you end up missing rp for your planned schedule of ranking. We all had it rough boys.

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It's been significantly harder to rank on ZK than Elysium, due to how small our brackets are - I know outside players look at our honor caps, and laugh at how low they are most weeks compared to Elysium, but they have no idea. Rankers haven't finished farming their week's honor before Tuesday night in months, and a single premade that all played together the entire week would span from bracket 1 to bracket fucking **5**. In proportion to the number of players on our server, our brackets have been over twice as small as Elysium's, and even worse for people who are actually ranking. We barely managed to get a 4th rank 14 before transfers, compared to ~50 on Elysium. We had 9 or 10 rank 13s, to Elysium's ~90. Most pvpers have spent the last 3-4 weeks simply trying to stop or slow decay and wait for the transfers, because actual progressing was only possible for a few people at a time. Bracket 1 on alliance was taken by an account sharing chinese player who was online 23 hours a day for a month (starting when they were rank 6 or 7) before they finally got banned. 

[doodoobrown 1]

On 6/26/2017 at 2:45 AM, Morathe said:

TL:DR the whole thing but as an ex-ranker from nost/anathema... I don't wanna be rude but it really shows you ranked on easymode bonanza server without any real competition. Let me tell you how we dealt with road blocks back then on 13k pop server: we buckled up and grinded one more week, or two if shit went real south. We took a hiatus from real life until done or burnt out. It was obvious you couldn't have it both ways.

Edit: Many other servers would just accept one of their experiments died and leave you dry. So the fact that you have to grind up what you lost isn't a bad thing... not to mention that you enter higher pop server so there is a fair chance that if you had a parallel char ranking on it it would be lower rank that your zeth'kur char, because lets be honest zeth'kur wasn't exactly top of the world competition. I know every ranker consider his ranking time the MOST HARDCORE ever but you guys really had it easy, believe me on a word. 

Anyway as I said, you're a refugee so take your fate with dignity and work your way up. Many servers would just let you die. 

I also did the rank grind on Nostalrius to r13 and the time investment was the same. Just because you did one grind doesn't mean you've done them all and I see no reason to take you on word. On Nostalrius we had 15 BR1 spots by the end of the ZG patch (not sure when you ranked) while ZK had only one, so solopushers could put much more pressure on the system as a whole. The ZK grind was more competitive while Nostalrius had people focus more on quotas.

This subject is moot by now the staff acknowledged the issue and didn't do anything about and the ZK rankers grinded 3 days straight to not decay. I doubt most would do it in their position.