Merge Elysium and Darrowshire

[halibut 0]

On Darrowshire the economy is completely dead.  Nothing on the AH sells.  Very few people on and they just stand around,  Raid spots are few and far between due to such a small player base.  This is a dead server gasping for air.  Merge Darrowshire and Elysium while it is still possible to save the PVE community.  Otherwise what happened on Darrowshire will occur exactly the same on Elysium obviously.  It will be too late to make this move when everyone has left Darrowshire to go play another server.  Also, the original Nostalrius players came along with the code yet those players are left on a dead server.  These player bases should not have been split from the beginning.  It was a mistake and it appears that the Elysium Project wants to leave the original Nost players on Darrowshire who came with the code holding the bag for this bad decision.  The Elysium project needs to find a fair way to resolve this preserving the united PVE player base.  Merge, enough said.

[Firebrand 3]

Reroll meanwhile, you'll have fun.

[Forest_ 40]

Or merge it into the realm that it is closer to which is Anathema.

Bring Anathema's population up, let Darrow players experience more raids.

[Myllz 8]

20 minutes ago, Forest_ said:

Or merge it into the realm that it is closer to which is Anathema.

Bring Anathema's population up, let Darrow players experience more raids.

Correct.  Merging Darrowshire with Elysium makes zero sense.

[dequecojonesvais 2]

1 hour ago, Forest_ said:

Or merge it into the realm that it is closer to which is Anathema.

Bring Anathema's population up, let Darrow players experience more raids.

+1

[Gnog 1]

Good idea. And the resulting server should be called Darrowshire. 

[Fiers 0]

Darrowshire merging into Elysium makes no sense when Anathema is ahead of it in content, closer in timeline, both servers are in need of a population boost, and Elysium would be harmed by such a change rather than aided. To go backwards on the timeline, you'd need to remove the vast majority of gear/items, and you'd still be some advantage in some ways, with no corresponding benefit to Elysium the server or the Elysium Project as a whole. The main reason they made Anathema the default server for ZK players was to prevent over-flooding the Elysium server. They may say differently, but in all likelihood, moving additional players to or from the Elysium server after the ZK players arrive will not be up for discussion in the foreseeable future.

 

While a PvE server merging into a PvP server isn't ideal, I can't see how that would be so important as to merit letting either or both servers die to avoid. The PvE/PvP "leveling experience" is a very small portion of overall playtime for most active players, and any benefit of having an easier time leveling would be more than outweighed by Darrowshire denizens being behind in gear and content compared to Anathemians.

 

As a Zeth'Kur native, having just gone through 4 months on this topic, where 1 month was spent begging for an xfer or merge, 1 month discussing the options for an xfer or merge, and 2 months waiting for the actual xfers to begin, the conversation needs to happen ASAP. If some sort of xfer or merge from Darrowshire and/or Anathema is not a topic that the leads of the Elysium Project would consider, they should inform players of that decision. But if it is something they would consider, even if not in the near future, or only if the conditions continue deteriorating (basically any answer other than a definitive no), it is important to start the discussion now. Because it'll take a looooong time to go through the options and begin implementing them, and if it takes a month or two or three to start having the discussion, then either the situation will last longer than it needs to, or potential options and solutions will be left out of consideration.

 

I'd recommend the Elysium team start by opening the conversation up to suggestions for anyone on either server (as opposed to, say, beginning with a poll on a limited number of predetermined options, only for players of one of the servers), with a few bullet points of what they will/won't consider, i.e. "1) The Elysium server is not a part of this discussion - only Darrowshire and Anathema. 2) Moving PvE players to a PvP server is [not up for discussion] or [only an option of last resort] or [not a problem in light of the significant population issues], 3) Any option must consider the needs of players on both servers, not just your own", etc, similar to how we were told that changing the content timeline or XP rates on ZK were not options. Once they have options, discuss internally the pros and cons of each, come up with the top 1 or 2 that Devs might actually be able to implement, and open them up for discussion again, for people to voice their questions, concerns, and support for each part. That way, there aren't (many) surprises down the road, or issues that were never considered (like the PvP situation for high ranked players on ZK, or the issue of char names (inactive char names being freed up was mentioned, but never finalized!), or a request for guilds to be preserved (which was not really a part of the discussion, but ended up being doable anyway!)).

[Xentrus 1]

I'm no expert on this topic but I think it's best if both Anathema and Darrowshire get frozen (content wise) until elysium catches up with them and then they all get merged into one big server. This will make it so there's always an influx of new players since there's only one server. That's the problem Anathema and Darrowshire are having, people who roll new characters will roll on a realm where they are least behind and at this point that is Elysium. This effectively stops the stream of new players to both these realms while of course long-time players will always leave. That is the problem with having multiple servers on multiple patches. The only way this can be solved without anyone being disadvantaged in the process is by waiting until elysium catches up with them and then merging. I say this realising that this is especially bad for Anathema, since BWL isn't even out yet on Elysium so it will be a long while until we open the AQ gates. Maybe it's an idea to just play on Elysium with fresh characters and then when the transfers happen in the far future, you can play the old characters you maxed out and poured all your love into. This way you can still play them (after a hiatus of course) on a server with a lot of people and that's on the same patch cycle. Just my two cents.

[ZedMatey 1]

Just bite the bullet and come play on Elysium. I'm sure it is daunting having to reroll and start over (while lot's of 60's are MC geared already, with BWL just around the corner). At least you're not starting on a server where people are farming AQ40. You still have time for a fresh start and a bit of catch up

[halibut 0]

It's very unlikely that the folks on Darrowshire would just toss away all that played time to just..."start over."  It's not just about losing all the played time and gear... a lot of it is about resetting a time line.  These guys don't want to go backwards on the time line repeating the exact same content for twice as long.  Also, to do that knowing that we all would just be starting over with nothing...  Yeah...that's not going to happen.  I see the position of the folks who rolled Elysium though.  Unfortunately failure to merge the servers will no doubt result in Elysium finally arriving at the same fate as Darrowshire.  So what seems good for Elysium players right now...not to merge... will be the thing that has the same devastating impact on Elysium in the future as it did Darrowshire.  The core of the problem is simply that the player base should NEVER have been split and no one wants to get the nerf bat ...somehow in a merge.  But its done now.  The fallout will no doubt be folks hopping to another private server as these die one after another due to a split player base from the beginning.  See you in the Crusade when your server dies too. ...Oh by the way...by then...we will still be ahead of you in the timeline. :))

[Jellydonut 2]

On 6/22/2017 at 1:51 PM, Forest_ said:

Or merge it into the realm that it is closer to which is Anathema.

Bring Anathema's population up, let Darrow players experience more raids.

This. Sucks that Darrowshire people will have to go PvP, but them's the breaks. 

[mbee 4]

On 6/22/2017 at 5:46 PM, Toradh said:

Merge a PvE and PvP server? Nope. 

Darrowshire is the only option for PvE players on this project. Everyone there made a choice to go with PvE rules, and most would probably just leave if the servers were merged (unless you merged Elysium into Darrowshire, in which case many PvP players would leave.)
PvP players already have their choice of two servers, including the one that is further progressed. 

It doesn't make any sense to merge any more servers - just strap in & wait for September when all the kids go back to school...

[Nelythia 44]

51 minutes ago, mbee said:

Everyone there made a choice to go with PvE rules, and most would probably just leave if the servers were merged (unless you merged Elysium into Darrowshire, in which case many PvP players would leave.)

That is actually not true.

 

As a player that started there with Nostalrius PvE launch I can confirm you that almost all players and friends I know and talk to on Darrowshire joined there for the exact same reason as I did; Nostalrius PvP was too full!

 

On Nostalrius PvE launch PvP had already peaks of 11k-12k. It was horrible to play on.

We don't have anything against PvP servers, we didn't mind to join a PvE one.

 

Yes, there are players that play there because of the PvE non-ganking, but it's the minority that I can say.

 

But, it's dying. I am not using the "Is nostalrius.... dying?" meme, I am being honest.

The server is actively decreasing in population, same for Anathema.

 

Almost no players will have chosen Zeth'Kur to Darrowshire transfers, because there is simply no reason to.

The population is not going above 1.5k anymore, the faction balance is mostly at 75% Alliance and 25% horde and with an actually confirmed alliance guild from Z'K transfering this will be even worse in the future.

 

The horde will be extinct. There are guilds disbanding just like on Anathema due to problems with recruiting new players.

Not even 5 horde guilds will see Ahn'Qiraij on Darrowshire. IF at all!

 

Save both servers and merge Darrowshire with Anathema.

Playeres that are on Darrow for the PvE status won't quit. They will be happy to have more players, and in addition to that I haven't seen any ganking at all on Anathema while I played my alt there for a while recently.

 

The staff can make the right choice still before it's too late.

Don't make the same mistake as with Zeth'Kur and tell us "No transfers will happen" until it actually gets to the worst part where not even 5 guilds on the server will clear their weekly ID's.

 

Allow us to enjoy Ahn'Qiraij on Anathema, with an increase in population due to a merge.

Let us get a chance to catch up in gear with them and a Naxxramas release that more than just a handful of guilds can enjoy!

[Whiskyjack666 2]

please stop spreading BS. Communities will drop in pop over time, right not there is 1300 people on.. in July... since the start the pop has hovered anywhere from 800-2k.  Its still on par with blizz like... and i never really have issues finding a group as a rogue. Multi Raids are clearing content

I do feel for the horde tho at 30%...

Fake news! I bet half these posters don't even play on Darrow

[Stormfront 0]

I for one support a Darrow>Ana merge.  Playing as a horde on Darrow is absolutely depressing, gives me Kronos 1 nightmares all over again.

Can't find groups for dungeons anymore, people struggling to find replacements for their old raiders who quit. The whole server is stagnating and not much can be done to fix it without a merge.  From someone who prefers PvE in the open world, I would trade it all for the chance to ENCOUNTER HORDE PLAYERS AGAIN

[j0ker 0]

Darrowshire is fine. You don't like it ? Go play on another one.

[Storfan 24]

Merge all servers into one.

 

//thread.

[Magian 0]

Normal server or nothing. PvP servers suck. The only reason I am here is to play normal wow not some niche enforced preference.

[wintermint 0]

I, like many others, only joined Nost. PvE originally because I found the PvP server too crowded to level on. The current state of Darrowshire is pretty dismal from a Horde point of view. It's like 80% alliance and dipping below 500 pop. during NA late night. I would 100% support a sped-up release of AQ on Darrowshire so that it could be quickly merged with Anathema. There is simply not enough demand for a PvE server at this point. The vanilla hype has died down quite a bit and many players are turning to new Burning Crusade projects lately as well. Elysium has a steady playerbase due to its freshness but Anathema and Darrowshire are beyond stagnating. I fear that if nothing is done with Darrowshire it will be all but dead by the end of summer. If people are deadset on ONLY playing on a PvE server, at least let horde players on Darrowshire transfer to Anathema or something since Darrowshire is pretty much just an alliance raiding server at this point. Otherwise I have no desire to play on an empty faction on a low pop. server.

[Dizeliun 0]

I'm not the type to leave a tv show, movie, or game "half way" through no matter how bad. But darrowshire being 25% horde on a ~700 pop and steadily decreasing made it LITTERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to recruit fresh blood into my guild. I would have to resort to poaching and begging just to fill the roster. At the end (my guild died due to warmane launch) we couldn't even find fresh 60s interested in getting carried through full clears of mc/bwl in a 3hour night. We would 35man content and the entire time I would be sadly trying to poach off the smaller weaker guilds (I'm truely sorry but thats what it resorts to in dire situations as a recruitment officer) which tainted my personal reputation with these other guilds. You should have never created the fresh meme sucking the life out of the original realms. The first week you only brought back the old realms and it was jammin, it litterally was perfection. There was no need to fresh meme it up. But even when you fresh meme'd once I saw zethkur popup I knew this team had no experience with longtime mmo managing. Any other mmo you look at  can show you that launch hype dies and so does all the extrendo realms with it. Not only that but with a game like wow where content is progressively launched you cause any new player looking to head to the freshest meme. This in conjunction with the naming of the realm Elysium coinciding with the project name making it clear that it's the "realm to be on". It all adds up to lack of experience on the managment of the server which led to the ultimate failure of this project. The only way I, and many others, think you can salvage this is by merging darrow into anathema. Not in 4 months like it took your lazy asses for zeth, but next week. Do as I say or face extinction from anything other than your little meme realm. 

 

 

[Luwoo 0]

I would agree to merging Anathema + Darrowshire due to both servers being of relativley low population. And for now I'm not considering the differences among server-specific aspects. Also, I believe for a limited population/time, a transfer option should be available to transfer from Elysium to Anatheshire/Darrowthema. That way, we would have 2 servers with populations around 3-5k and 2-3k. Because let's face it, Elysium is currently a bit overpopulated.

 

just sharing my 2 cents

[cascarrabias 2]

How on hell are you going to "save the pve community" forcing them into a pvp server? They will leave.

 

Jesus...

 

 

Darrowshire is perfectly fine, besides faction unbalance, let it be

[Storfan 24]

2 hours ago, cascarrabias said:

How on hell are you going to "save the pve community" forcing them into a pvp server? They will leave.

 

Jesus...

 

 

Darrowshire is perfectly fine, besides faction unbalance, let it be

On a personal note, I dgaf really if I'm on a PvE or PvP server. I just want a healthy large community. I'm sure the same applies to a vast majority of players.

[MacFierce 4]

Isn't Darrow pretty much running as a retail "Normal" population server would in terms of player count? 

 

Not low...  Not High...  Just Normal. 

[vandelayindustries 1]

23 hours ago, cascarrabias said:

How on hell are you going to "save the pve community" forcing them into a pvp server? They will leave.

 

Jesus...

 

 

Darrowshire is perfectly fine, besides faction unbalance, let it be

They are going to leave anyway - they are on a dying server. Merge is the obvious option.