Hybrid PVE/PVP Class

[Blash 0]

Hey everyone ,

I am new to Elysium and vanilla  and i would like to get your advice on this matter:

What would be your suggested class to do a bit of PVE/PVP without spending thousands of golds on respecs?
This being a major issue for me as dual spec was imo  one the best thing Blizz did for WoW
I was playing  from TBC to WOTLK and i have a deep knowledge of WoW mechanics and was raiding HC , so skillwise i have no problems.
Also, a plus would be a class that can fullfill two roles (tank/heal/dps) on 5mans while leveling/farming pre-raid BIS.

Tanks a lot for your advice guys :)
 

[flowqz 34]

respeccosts were already reduced to 25g

if you still cant handle it id play a holypaladin.

[Justme 9]

no class has the perfect min/max for both pve and pvp in the same spec.
If you're willing to sacrafice a little bit I'd say either holy paladin, resto shaman or maaaaybe frostmage 

[Hurricane2 2]

3 hours ago, Justme said:

no class has the perfect min/max for both pve and pvp in the same spec.
If you're willing to sacrafice a little bit I'd say either holy paladin, resto shaman or maaaaybe frostmage 

I haven't had to respec my warlock yet.  It's pretty beast in PvP and PvE as affliction/destruction.

[Justme 9]

24 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said:

I haven't had to respec my warlock yet.  It's pretty beast in PvP and PvE as affliction/destruction.

SM/Ruin is not optimal

[Hurricane2 2]

I'm max dps so I don't know what could be more optimal.

[BadnewsBetty 0]

15 hours ago, Blash said:

Hey everyone ,

I am new to Elysium and vanilla  and i would like to get your advice on this matter:

What would be your suggested class to do a bit of PVE/PVP without spending thousands of golds on respecs?
This being a major issue for me as dual spec was imo  one the best thing Blizz did for WoW
I was playing  from TBC to WOTLK and i have a deep knowledge of WoW mechanics and was raiding HC , so skillwise i have no problems.
Also, a plus would be a class that can fullfill two roles (tank/heal/dps) on 5mans while leveling/farming pre-raid BIS.

Tanks a lot for your advice guys :)
 

You don't need to spec for PVP unless that's your priority. Currently levelling

 

15 hours ago, Blash said:

Also, a plus would be a class that can fullfill two roles (tank/heal/dps) on 5mans while leveling/farming pre-raid BIS.


 

Fury warrior will be fine for tanking (outside raids), dps and pvp. Other option I guess would be to have a shadow priest and still heal 5-men

[Drain 19]

Any class can do everything in 1 build unless it's a Warrior tank. You don't "have" to be in the "best" build for something to do it. Talent builds don't even matter in BGs. If you want honor/rank, all that matters is that you queue up and go there. Does not matter at all how much you die or lose. I could lose all day and still get more than you simply by playing more often. This shitty PVP system revolves around time invested, not much else. So if you don't like the respec fee, then why even respec.

On that note, nerfing it down to 25g was fucking stupid, and the type of unblizzlike fun realm modifications they are supposed to be against. Next players will ask for mounts at level 20, heirlooms, or dungeon finder teleporting; there's no end if you don't know how to say "NO". When I think of all the helpful shit they COULD DO which violate the timeline or policy, but refuse to do, yet do something like this which doesn't help the game at all; it makes me quite confused. If you want to violate something for the sake of players, then put the damn teleport orb inside AQ 40, or the infinite quint in MC. This is something helpful, that Classic actually did at some point. Instead they do something bad which Classic didn't do at any point.

[BadnewsBetty 0]

15 hours ago, Drain said:

Any class can do everything in 1 build unless it's a Warrior tank. You don't "have" to be in the "best" build for something to do it. Talent builds don't even matter in BGs. If you want honor/rank, all that matters is that you queue up and go there. Does not matter at all how much you die or lose. I could lose all day and still get more than you simply by playing more often. This shitty PVP system revolves around time invested, not much else. So if you don't like the respec fee, then why even respec.

On that note, nerfing it down to 25g was fucking stupid, and the type of unblizzlike fun realm modifications they are supposed to be against. Next players will ask for mounts at level 20, heirlooms, or dungeon finder teleporting; there's no end if you don't know how to say "NO". When I think of all the helpful shit they COULD DO which violate the timeline or policy, but refuse to do, yet do something like this which doesn't help the game at all; it makes me quite confused. If you want to violate something for the sake of players, then put the damn teleport orb inside AQ 40, or the infinite quint in MC. This is something helpful, that Classic actually did at some point. Instead they do something bad which Classic didn't do at any point.

Just because it was 50g in retail doesn't mean it was a good decision from the Blizzard staff. Might as well be completely free if you ask me, that way people could play around with builts and we'd have more people PVP'ing

[Justme 9]

49 minutes ago, BadnewsBetty said:

Just because it was 50g in retail doesn't mean it was a good decision from the Blizzard staff. Might as well be completely free if you ask me, that way people could play around with builts and we'd have more people PVP'ing

then whats the point of talents smh

[BadnewsBetty 0]

21 minutes ago, Justme said:

then whats the point of talents smh

To customize/optimize your abilities depending on style of play. I don't mind paying a few golds but 50g is ridiculous. Think about a raiding tank that wants to PVP outside raid times... he'd waste 100g a week on respecs, that's stupid

[Justme 9]

9 minutes ago, BadnewsBetty said:

To customize/optimize your abilities depending on style of play. I don't mind paying a few golds but 50g is ridiculous. Think about a raiding tank that wants to PVP outside raid times... he'd waste 100g a week on respecs, that's stupid

either slack in tanking or slack in pving. cant be both as it makes you char lose its personality

[Porta 10]

Go druid and roll a hybrid spec but tell your rl that you are pve resto. No one will ever notice as u are at the bottom of the charts anyways )

 

[BadnewsBetty 0]

18 minutes ago, Justme said:

either slack in tanking or slack in pving. cant be both as it makes you char lose its personality

Its "personality" haha common dude.

If anything, the 50g respec encourages gold buying

[Justme 9]

7 minutes ago, BadnewsBetty said:

Its "personality" haha common dude.

If anything, the 50g respec encourages gold buying

Yeah let's make black lotus free because the prices encourage gold buying. -.-

[BadnewsBetty 0]

3 minutes ago, Justme said:

Yeah let's make black lotus free because the prices encourage gold buying. -.-

That's different though, at least in that case the guy that farmed it earns gold. When respeccing, the "city of Stormwind" earns 50g 

[Justme 9]

36 minutes ago, BadnewsBetty said:

That's different though, at least in that case the guy that farmed it earns gold. When respeccing, the "city of Stormwind" earns 50g 

Aye, its a gold dump. If you get rid of those then prices at the AH will go up because players will have more money to spend. 25g is a acceptable prie imo

[Dawndew 1]

I would recommend Druid. You can level as feral. Then respect once at 60 to hybrid. Using hybrid spec you can play all 3 roles in dungeons. I'm now doing all dungeons in hybrid and it works completely fine. However, you often will have to be the tank, since there are so few tanks available. 

 

I dont know know why but all the warriors I group with only want to play DPS. You can find a complete list to of all BiS items for dps, healInfo and tank in the Druid forum on this webpage. There are also many guides on YouTube for droids and playing all the different roles. 

 

In summary, as Druid you will be able to fill all roles with hybrid spec. Do not worry about people who say druids have to heal, it's not true. Although for raids it might be necessary unless you have a nice guild. Druids in hybrid Can also pvp very well. 

 

If if you have any questions feel free to message me :)

[Rafale 6]

In Aube Guild,we have killed ragnaros every week for 3 months with a druid tank. Np

But,if you want to raid tank you need the perfect spec. The good point is this spec is also ur pvp spec

[Ragward 2]

On 7/13/2017 at 6:59 PM, BadnewsBetty said:

To customize/optimize your abilities depending on style of play. I don't mind paying a few golds but 50g is ridiculous. Think about a raiding tank that wants to PVP outside raid times... he'd waste 100g a week on respecs, that's stupid

I am a Raiding Tank . level a hunter farm mara = 0 gold worries ever 

[Morathe 5]

On 7/13/2017 at 9:18 PM, Justme said:

Aye, its a gold dump. If you get rid of those then prices at the AH will go up because players will have more money to spend. 25g is a acceptable prie imo

Gold dumps are important indeed but after they abandoned their "blizz-like" ways and went on with their custom ideas with nerfing solo farming in dungeons (dm e for casters, dm trib for hunters) it lost its original importance. Nerfing best ways to farm gold is the bigger encouragement to gold buying imo.

[Justme 9]

2 hours ago, Morathe said:

Gold dumps are important indeed but after they abandoned their "blizz-like" ways and went on with their custom ideas with nerfing solo farming in dungeons (dm e for casters, dm trib for hunters) it lost its original importance. Nerfing best ways to farm gold is the bigger encouragement to gold buying imo.

Well, no. It's important to make sure people are not willing to spend 200g for flasks. If gold is easy to farm then flask prices will go up and people that cant or wont farm might resort to buying gold. Keeping the prices low by decreasing income is a good way to stop goldbuying. Works in real life aswell.

[Morathe 5]

Flasks price depend on spawn rates of lotus and herbs which on this server is tinkered to fit the overall needs. I'm talking about general use of gold not just a highest-high end luxury products like flasks. Beside flasks you got tons of others stuff that you spend gold on, engineering stuff, grinding stones, oils etc.

Most people don't use those because gold farms are shit. As a result people that farm and craft those things (stones etc) sell them expensive because demand is limited and beside getting their time investment back they have to get back what they loose in opportunity cost (being a miner and mining stones costs you not being a herbalist that make gold easier). 

That being said because people can't solo farm anymore they just duo farm for even bigger gold / hour because its faster and safer. Talking about miner + healer farms and rogue + druid tribute farms for 110g/hour farm. Resourceful people still can farm "industrial" level of gold in instances. Solo farming was nerfed because administration was unable to deal with bots farming that way. 

And about gold dumps... if gold is too hard to farm for majority of the people then they just don't "dump" respec anymore because they simply don't have a gold to dump thus "gold dumps" loose their "dump" importance and become luxury and... annoyance. That leads to people playing hybrid not min/maxed specs in attempt to find a cheap solution for their activities and if they can't (prots for eg) they just raidlog... if they don't have a gold farming toon that will sustain their main needs that is.

I sit on +/- 1200 gold after finishing prog runs in AQ and play on a budget right now. I spent about 1000 gold to prep for AQ, having farmed myself most of the stuff anyway. Most of my gold came from farming Un'Goro and selling sets. If I had to farm all that farming maraudon I'd hang myself lol;p 

If I wanted to use all the stuff I'd like to have actual fun in pvp... faps, invis pots, best granades, zanza each 2 hours i'd be broke in less than a day. And believe me there are try-hards that WILL buy gold to spam use everything they can. If gold farms were easier it wouldn't mean flasks would go up to 200 because people would actually start using more of other stuff more casually and liquidate the gold in that way. Atm I don't really see majority of people playing and using all they can, most of people are under performing not using consumables or not putting best enchants on non-bis equipment purely because they can't afford it on regular basis. Some are fine with that and just accept being mediocre but others just buy gold. 

[Justme 9]

Please look on retail. You can sell copper ore stacks for 50g. Supply didnt change. Demand went down. Price goes up because people have more money.

[Shaze 1]

On 13. 7. 2017 at 8:08 PM, Justme said:

either slack in tanking or slack in pving. cant be both as it makes you char lose its personality

I have a friend who respecs at least 2 times a week between prot and fury/arms. If he can do it ...