Do something about lag!

[Insa 7]

Devs, game is almost unplayable in BGs. And been like that for weeks. I know, 8.5k number looks good and all, but if server cant hold this number (it appears it cant), maybe introduce a cap or upgrade hardware? Are you even trying to do something about it? Since lag wont go anywhere without measures taken

[Thari 15]

If we would get more donations, the hardware would be better.

[Smoothest 1]

18 minutes ago, Thari said:

If we would get more donations, the hardware would be better.

Maybe if they open a thread in ads explaining why they need donations that would be to mitigate the current lag. People would know and give them help.

[Thari 15]

https://elysium-project.org/news/donations

[Smoothest 1]

7 minutes ago, Thari said:

https://elysium-project.org/news/donations

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[TinkerTom 1]

1 hour ago, Thari said:

If we would get more donations, the hardware would be better.

As soon as your logic and common sense goes up about 95%.

[HansCakeStealer 1]

1 hour ago, Insa said:

Devs, game is almost unplayable in BGs. And been like that for weeks. I know, 8.5k number looks good and all, but if server cant hold this number (it appears it cant), maybe introduce a cap or upgrade hardware? Are you even trying to do something about it? Since lag wont go anywhere without measures taken

I mean really?  you're playing a game for free and this is how you act, the keyword is FREE.  Is this what they are talking about with Millennial entitlement?

[Pieper 2]

It's free so shut up is a ridiculous retort.

I passed by an old sofa sitting by the road the other day. It was free but . . . no thanks. And no, I'm not saying Elysium is a ratty old sofa, I'm enjoying my time here very much. I am pointing out that simply because something's free doesn't mean people are automatically going to want anything to do with it. Or should. Or shouldn't point and say, "Hey look at that ratty old sofa."

Free isn't always worth your time.There comes a point where you have no interest in dealing with it anymore. Stability is important and logging back in after a DC only to have to take a gy rez because of mob respawns gets old. It chills the enthusiasm.

I'm sure everyone's doing their best but until upgrades can be afforded I'd rather deal with a login queue than the lag and frequent disconnects. That;s certainly not an unreasonable thing to say.

[Truckerman 5]

Elysium staff,

 

 I personally think you guys are doing great. Thank you for providing me with an absolutely free, volunteer-run game. Unlike some players, you guys have real life jobs, families, and other issues going on with your lives. Thank you for sacrificing so much of your time, resources, and energy so that I can relive some of my great childhood memories. 

Please don't pay attention to this new generation. Its not their fault, you see, parents can no longer disicipline their children. The end product is the OP. 

 

Take care. 

[Insa 7]

3 часа назад, Truckerman сказал:

Please don't pay attention to this new generation. Its not their fault, you see, parents can no longer disicipline their children. The end product is the OP. 

 

Well yeah, we are different types of persons. When you encounter bugs and issues, you will sit forever with your mouth shut being too scared to hurt someones feelings. While I will report bugs and discuss the issues so that developers could fix them and make it more pleasant for everyone. 

[r3drum 0]

14 hours ago, Insa said:

Devs, game is almost unplayable in BGs. And been like that for weeks. I know, 8.5k number looks good and all, but if server cant hold this number (it appears it cant), maybe introduce a cap or upgrade hardware? Are you even trying to do something about it? Since lag wont go anywhere without measures taken

 

24 minutes ago, Insa said:

Well yeah, we are different types of persons. When you encounter bugs and issues, you will sit forever with your mouth shut being too scared to hurt someones feelings. While I will report bugs and discuss the issues so that developers could fix them and make it more pleasant for everyone. 

Your post looks (for me) more like some kind of flaming instead a report...

imagine there will be a cap and unfortunately you are not able to play for hours because the server is full! 100% you will be here again complaining about it.

upgrade hardware? do you even donate?

[Insa 7]

6 минут назад, r3drum сказал:

imagine there will be a cap and unfortunately you are not able to play for hours because the server is full! 100% you will be here again complaining about it.

I dont need to imagine, I know how queues work and been through many of them. Its much better solution then whole server population struggling with unplayable lag.

Another solution would be to open free transfer from Elysium to Anathema. I know, they are different progression, but this minor case compared to severe lag due to overpopulation. And transfer will also solve low pop problem of Anathema.

 

[r3drum 0]

would you transfer to Ana?

[Insa 7]

5 часов назад, r3drum сказал:

would you transfer to Ana?

Open transfers to less populated realms to reduce stress on overcrowded servers was common practice from Blizzard. And it worked very well. Many guilds transfered all their members to play without lag and queues. I only play for 29 twinks PvP and already have 5  twinks on Anathema, so it isnt relevant for me. But Im sure many would prefer smooth play over high population.

 

[Thari 15]

But these servers were on the same patch and not on different itemization & content patches like ours.

[Insa 7]

9 минут назад, Thari сказал:

But these servers were on the same patch and not on different itemization & content patches like ours.

I can see an issue if Elysium was ahead of Anathema in terms of content. Players in full AQ gear would have advantage in realm where noone else has access to it. But as far as I know its Anathema is ahead. So explain to me, what exactly is the problem? Elysium players cant have anything that Anathema players dont have.

[HansCakeStealer 1]

14 hours ago, Pieper said:

It's free so shut up is a ridiculous retort.

I passed by an old sofa sitting by the road the other day. It was free but . . . no thanks. And no, I'm not saying Elysium is a ratty old sofa, I'm enjoying my time here very much. I am pointing out that simply because something's free doesn't mean people are automatically going to want anything to do with it. Or should. Or shouldn't point and say, "Hey look at that ratty old sofa."

Free isn't always worth your time.There comes a point where you have no interest in dealing with it anymore. Stability is important and logging back in after a DC only to have to take a gy rez because of mob respawns gets old. It chills the enthusiasm.

I'm sure everyone's doing their best but until upgrades can be afforded I'd rather deal with a login queue than the lag and frequent disconnects. That;s certainly not an unreasonable thing to say.

If you chose to sit on that ratty sofa then don't complain about the springs being broken or the cushions tore, but it's pretty difficult to compare a sofa to something as complicated as a game server and all the intricate parts that come along with it.  Free is always worth your time if it's something you want, if I give a gold coin out everyday for free and miss a day should I be attacked for waisting everyones time?  That mentality is called entitlement

[Pieper 2]

4 hours ago, HansCakeStealer said:

If you chose to sit on that ratty sofa then don't complain about the springs being broken or the cushions tore, but it's pretty difficult to compare a sofa to something as complicated as a game server and all the intricate parts that come along with it.

That's true. Bad analogy is bad analogy. But saying that because something's free means criticism is off the table is downright kooky. The OP seemed frustrated and understandably so, but he offered suggestions and wasn't out of line. 

4 hours ago, HansCakeStealer said:

Free is always worth your time if it's something you want, if I give a gold coin out everyday for free and miss a day should I be attacked for waisting everyones time?  That mentality is called entitlement

Suggestions on how to improve things do not equal entitlement. 

For the record, most people would gladly PAY a monthly sub to play stable, legacy servers. The gaming population is not as entitled as white knighters make them out to be. Most of us just want to play a stable, reliable game that we enjoy - sub fee or otherwise. In fact, if Blizzard offered legacy servers none of this would be here.Unfortunately that's not an option.

I understand that the folks at Elysium are doing their best. I understand that their funds are limited and donations would help solve this problem. I also understand that projects like Corecraft and other emulated servers that give gear, mounts etc. for "donations" as well as private servers being shut down have left the legacy community very leery. That's also unfortunate. But it's reality. Donations are most likely going to be pretty slim.

Look, no one here hates the Elysium team. Quite the opposite. Everyone appreciates their time and dedication. But since donations probably aren't going to solve the lag/disconnect issues shouldn't other options be looked at?  

[riplip 2]

^ I'm sure they are submersed in the other options and looking at them much without your help. Additionally, nobody in this thread said anybody hated elysium except for you. And the fact that you are defending yourself from his entitlement statement so hard makes me believe you are entitled. Please don't be the type of mediator whose input nobody needs or wants.

[Pieper 2]

1 hour ago, riplip said:

Additionally, nobody in this thread said anybody hated elysium except for you. 

Who did I say hated Elysium? Or do you mean I said I hated Elysium? Seriously, wtf is this?

 

1 hour ago, riplip said:

And the fact that you are defending yourself from his entitlement statement so hard makes me believe you are entitled.

I am defending myself from his entitlement statement . . . what?? psssst... do you even proofread?

By the way, claiming someone is entitled for wanting to play a smooth running game, free or not, is ridiculous. "Entitled" has been overused, misused and abused to the point that it simply means someone is mad about something someone else said. It's old. It's tired. Shoot it and let it die for God's sake.

2 hours ago, riplip said:

Please don't be the type of mediator whose input nobody needs or wants.

Sorry, but you are not entitled to claim you know what everyone needs and wants. 

[Stodola 26]

Steady on chaps. The game being playable is what we call part of "minimum standards" - it's not entitlement to expect to be able to play the game. 

That said, different players have different experiences and ideas about what that means. As an Aussie, I played all through retail on a 350-500ms connection, as a holy paladin main healer, and protection paladin tank BC+. That's my experience, and for a game to be "playable" for me, it just has to be less than 400ms. 

On the other hand, my wife raided top tier US from WotLK through to.. hmm, can't remember when she quit, I know it was somewhere after MoP and couldn't tolerate anything over 200ms-ish, which was hard to get and required a "lowerping" style VPN and custom connection profile at the ISP. 

I think we can all agree that when population on Elysium peaks at current caps, the game is not playable - while moment to moment latency is manageable, the intermitent spiking can push up to 2000ms - so no-one should be called entitled for complaining.

However, as Thari said, better hardware costs more, and really, it's less a hardware issue than a 'core' issue. MangoS as a whole is simply not built to handle the kind of population we are pushing on it. 

So the answer is logically to cap, but that means queues, and unfortunately that's the trade you're making. As population on Ely continues to rise the problem will get worse and the only real way to handle that is to encourage players to roll elsewhere or to open transfers from Elysium to Anathema. 

Of course, the situation may self-stabilise.

[Ozolz 0]

25ms average still get 1-2s delay, damn ratty old sofa hw

[waterdrinker 1]

On 23/07/2017 at 7:10 PM, Thari said:

If we would get more donations, the hardware would be better.

This still does not explain why you allow a server population so high that ruins everyones experience.. Allow the number of people that the server can support while offering no delay whicch is from my experience below 6k. (Elysium pvp)

Then you can ask for donations to remove the que or don't.. But do not half ass it and ruin the experience for everyone.

Furthemore you should advertise your donation page more in game and on twitter/ fb. I have donated in the past and it was difficult for me to find where to do that and it shouls not be this way.

 

You guys are doing almost nothing to generate more donations while allowing a number so high on the servers that ruins the experience for everyone including the current donors.. This has to change.

Edit: typos

[waterdrinker 1]

22 hours ago, Ozolz said:

25ms average still get 1-2s delay, damn ratty old sofa hw

Its the same for me.. Except i got 19 or 20 ms

[waterdrinker 1]

Bump