Progressing Anathema into BC and making it static 2.4.3 in the end run.

[jmul1212 7]

How does the community feel about that.  There would be a 1.12.1, 2.4.3, and from the looks of Crestfall would eventually be 3.3.5.  

 

I don't see why having 3, 1.12.1 servers makes much sense.  They could even let people transfer 60s to Elysium to keep them from losing them to the TBC launch.

 

 

[Keala 28]

It seems great to me, progressing Anathema into BC would at least ensure that it does not die. The main problem is that the staff isn't saying anything about the matter, apart from some silly teasers that only made things worse. If we had an official statement, we could be deciding already what to do instead of making us stick around with their carrot.

I don't understand why so many people keep suggesting this. It's pretty damn obvious the vast majority wants to progress into TBC, you could have searched around and you'd find plenty of topics that talk about it. As I said already, the only real problem is being left in the dark from the staff, nothing else.

[SuperDarly 0]

6 hours ago, Keala said:

It seems great to me, progressing Anathema into BC would at least ensure that it does not die. The main problem is that the staff isn't saying anything about the matter, apart from some silly teasers that only made things worse. If we had an official statement, we could be deciding already what to do instead of making us stick around with their carrot.

Completely agree. Any communication would be welcome. Even if it's just "We haven't really discussed this possibility. We'll look into it and update the community in a week or 2". The silence just helps spread rumors or doom and gloom predictions.

I would definitely love to have Anathema progress to TBC. Elysium can stay the Vanilla project for people who want it.

[Forest_ 40]

7 hours ago, Keala said:

It seems great to me, progressing Anathema into BC would at least ensure that it does not die. The main problem is that the staff isn't saying anything about the matter, apart from some silly teasers that only made things worse. If we had an official statement, we could be deciding already what to do instead of making us stick around with their carrot.

I don't understand why so many people keep suggesting this. It's pretty damn obvious the vast majority wants to progress into TBC, you could have searched around and you'd find plenty of topics that talk about it. As I said already, the only real problem is being left in the dark from the staff, nothing else.

This.

We all want TBC with our 60s, that is the WoW dream. To play the good expansions again exactly as they were. Vanilla -> TBC -> WoTLK.

Vanilla Forever: People who wanted TBC quit, move to another server. (Result = Vanilla population dies/gets very low)

Eventual TBC: People who wanted TBC get TBC, move to a server within the project. Occasionally play their vanilla toons for fun. (Result = Vanilla population gets lower, but maybe stays reasonable)

There's only one good option here.

[Overtime 6]

Vast majority wants to progress to tbc? Ehh, no.

[Forest_ 40]

25 minutes ago, Overtime said:

Vast majority wants to progress to tbc? Ehh, no.

Please tell me what you plan to do when the last vanilla server (Elysium) has been farming Naxx for a year? Just continue to farm Naxx forever on a 1k pop server? People want progression of their character. TBC is just as good of a WoW expansion as vanilla was, so many people want to continue there with their 60s.

The "vanilla forever" crowd is not as big as you think it is.

[jmul1212 7]

1 hour ago, Overtime said:

Vast majority wants to progress to tbc? Ehh, no.

Possibly the 10-15k people who no longer play here would come back for TBC.  Possibly the 17k people who wanted to get on Gummies Felmyst would come here.  Possibly the people who are miserable on Warmane would come here.

 

 

But yah, just a few hundred fringe people.

Note in my OP where I said xfering to Elysium before pre-launch should be allowed.  Great post though, really high quality discussion material.

[sumeht 9]

I just don't see how progressing to TBC is really going to negatively impact the people that want to slowly level and only play by themselves.  You can just keep on doing your thing.

[Overtime 6]

1 hour ago, jmul1212 said:

But yah, just a few hundred fringe people.

Note in my OP where I said xfering to Elysium before pre-launch should be allowed.  Great post though, really high quality discussion material.

That's completely ignoring the still existing population. 1/5 of people I know would play tbc, but probably just for month or two and quit just like in the past. Just because those who quit would play tbc, doesn't mean everyone. It just means vanilla isn't for them.

if you think about Warsong where people raided 5 years on same server, they didn't do it for the fresh, they did it for the vanilla. 

If there was tbc server to transfer your character while leaving your existing vanilla character on vanilla server, I'd say it's fine. But if it's forced, like Feenix's infamous Storm, yeah no.

If I had to choose, there would be one master vanilla server where everything gets eventually merged into when servers dies so you always have that home to log into. With full content open (that would be Anathema in future).

Elysium population will drop just the same if they get AQ around summer times as we did, then they cry for merge or fresh server. It's everlasting circle since Nostalrius brought so much attention to private servers. It didn't use to be like this, there's too much options now.

But if Elysium keeps the momentum up, I'd say once and if there is tbc, it would have to be:

- Anathema: all content open
- Elysium: fresh (probably 2 year cycle)

- TBC1: Transferable vanilla characters
- TBC2: No transfers

There is just no pleasing everyone, and with Crestfall PTE, hard to say how things go.

[sumeht 9]

Warsong was a diferent beast because it was ridiculously easy to level a new character with 12x exp rates.

[Overtime 6]

4 minutes ago, sumeht said:

Warsong was a diferent beast because it was ridiculously easy to level a new character with 12x exp rates.

That's also the biggest reason Anathema is going to have problem with fresh blood when some old players wouldn't accept increasing xp rates.

Even 2-3x rates would probably make difference. Elysium "shill" is too strong currently.

[sumeht 9]

12 minutes ago, Overtime said:

That's also the biggest reason Anathema is going to have problem with fresh blood when some old players wouldn't accept increasing xp rates.

Even 2-3x rates would probably make difference. Elysium "shill" is too strong currently.

I believe the real reason is that a player who is starting completely fresh with no ties to either realm will always choose the least progressed realm because it is easier for them to get into a position to get into raids, they are starting 2 tiers of gear behind rather then 3 (soon to be 4 on anathema).  I myself chose to play on ED rather then Warsong back in the day for that exact reason. 

If you want a server on your project to continue into the later parts of vanilla with a healthy population you simply can't release a new fresh realm, because you have just ensured your more progressed realm will get almost no new players.

[Keala 28]

39 minutes ago, sumeht said:

If you want a server on your project to continue into the later parts of vanilla with a healthy population you simply can't release a new fresh realm, because you have just ensured your more progressed realm will get almost no new players.

This. If you want to have multiple servers, then they all need to be at the same content patch or you will end up with n ghost towns and 1 popular server.

[sumeht 9]

6 minutes ago, Keala said:

This. If you want to have multiple servers, then they all need to be at the same content patch or you will end up with n ghost towns and 1 popular server.

And a benefit to this as well is your QA staff and GM staff don't have to learn the differences between 3 different patches, how fun is that?

I think that would also give the people clamoring for "harder vanilla content" something to sink their teeth into.  If a new server opens up and you reroll there, do BWL after 1 MC clear worth of gear, Do AQ with a few weeks of raid clears rather then a year.

[jmul1212 7]

22 hours ago, Overtime said:

That's completely ignoring the still existing population. 1/5 of people I know would play tbc, but probably just for month or two and quit just like in the past. Just because those who quit would play tbc, doesn't mean everyone. It just means vanilla isn't for them.

No value in that comment, "Muhh friends i know".

I am unaware of Warsong or the other server you mentioned history.

22 hours ago, Overtime said:

- TBC1: Transferable vanilla characters
- TBC2: No transfers

Doesn't sound like a terrible idea.  The only thing is that two servers is harder to maintain than 1.  Having a overflow server you cant transfer to that would be combined later on if needed would be a good plan.  

[Drain 19]

We may as well progress Anathema to BC. If they split us with a 2nd realm for BC, there won't be anyone left on the Classic one anyway. Elysium has taken over as the Classic realm. We on Anathema have become a beta test realm. They should simply give Elysium the character copies and leave it behind for Classic.

[Forest_ 40]

I'm not sure if the title of this post was changed but doing 2.4.3 all the way through is a REALLY bad idea.

Hopefully given Elysium's track record painstakingly putting the effort in to recreate patch progression in Vanilla, they will do the same in TBC.

2.4.3 is the reason that so many people blindly choose Horde on private servers. Before 2.3.0 fear ward was Dwarf and Draenai only, making them really really competitive in PvE and PvP.

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_2.3.0

Standard Vanilla fear ward for Dwarf and Draenai.

Buff Duration: 10 minutes

Spell Cooldown: 30 seconds

Quote

Fear Ward is now available to all priests at level 20. Duration reduced to 3 minutes, cooldown increased to 3 minutes.

Would be SUPER easy to just disable the ability to use Fear Ward on Undead, Humans, and Blood Elves until the correct patch. Would definitely make PvE a bit more balanced early on as well as arenas and BGs.

Hopefully Ash, Josipbroz, Thari, etc read this.

[Ickus 40]

The stay vanilla forever people have never played a progressed private server so I just discount their opinion

[Ickus 40]

On 8/24/2017 at 1:27 PM, Overtime said:

 

- TBC1: Transferable vanilla characters
- TBC2: No transfers

Holy hell we've seen what two servers can do... one dies one doesn't... plz no.

warsong only survived because it was high rates... that is the only reason.

[Skeef 0]

imo Anathema turns into the BC Pvp realm, leave Elysium as the Vanilla Pvp realm. Keep Darrowshire and add a PvE BC realm for the PvE fans.

 

So there would be:

PvP Vanilla (Elysium)

PvE Vanilla (Darrowshire) (if it doesn't die out but there's always that PvE crowd)

PvP BC (Anathema)

PvE BC (if there's a demand?)

[Razk 0]

5 hours ago, Skeef said:

imo Anathema turns into the BC Pvp realm, leave Elysium as the Vanilla Pvp realm. Keep Darrowshire and add a PvE BC realm for the PvE fans.

 

So there would be:

PvP Vanilla (Elysium)

PvE Vanilla (Darrowshire) (if it doesn't die out but there's always that PvE crowd)

PvP BC (Anathema)

PvE BC (if there's a demand?)

This.

[Kazuma 11]

TBC server market is already oversaturated, not gonna work. Take Feenix Warsong as an example.. very populated vanilla server progressed into naxx and then onto TBC and the place is death now. There's only one "sorta" good project for vanilla atm and its this project so stick to the plan. Want TBC? There's plenty of very populated servers out there.

And for god sake please just merge Anathema, Elysium and Darrowshire into one and stop hosting 3 freaking server and ban VPN (we all know what im talking about). I know that for the latter many people have already quitted this server same reason why people quited Feenix.

 

Dont make the same mistakes.

[Smula 0]

An additional TBC Server will not take apart from the qualitiy of the existing Vanilla Server.

Maybe there will be a merge, if the PVP Server are all up to the same patch, or they will restart a fresh one :D

If the TBC Server is of the same quality and supported like the vanilla here are, than all the OTHER private tbc server will die, like the other vanilla Server died.

And for me it is ok, because I get a quality game experience, for free :)