Adjusting content release schedule.

[sumeht 9]

Now that Elysium has all vanilla content pretty much scripted consider releasing content at a more blizzlike pace in terms of progression.

In retail vanilla content took much longer to clear for various reasons.  Players didn't understand the game as well as we do, for the most part didn't optimize gear or raid comp as much as is done on private servers.  Worse (or no) addons, on top of all that many final raid bosses were very buggy causing guilds to give up attempting them until they were changed.  All these factors served as a gating mechanism, keeping the carrot on the stick dangling in front of players in the form of unkilled bosses to progress on, race to world / region / realm first on.  Those things really don't (and can't) exist on a private server 12+ years after the fact.

We on private servers have content on farm for far far too long in-between raid instances, our raids have significantly more of the later boss gear when moving onto the next raid then any retail wow guild had.

Here are some numbers from retail compared to the Elysium servers.

Retail

Ragnaros killed April 25th 2005

BWL released July 12th 2005 - 78 days later

Nef killed Sept 26th 2005

AQ War effort Jan 3rd 2006 - 99 days later

C'thun killed April 25th 2006

Naxx released June 20th 2006 - 56 days later

Elysium

Ragnaros killed Jan 18th 2017

BWL released July 12th 2017 - 175 days later

Nef killed July 12th 2017 - Currently 50 days out

Anathema

Don't have data from realmplayers for MC / BWL

C'thun killed April 26th 2017 - Currently 127 days out

 

The way the releases are coming on the Elysium project now, players have easily twice the amount of loot from the later bosses of the instance then any guild had in vanilla wow, seeing that the end boss has a drastically higher ilevel then anything else in the raid this makes a huge difference.

I suggest that you take the retail time between the instance being completed and the next one being released into consideration as well for the release dates of new content.  I think that having less of your raid with full BIS going into the next tier of content will make that content more difficult and will lower the burnout players experience when farming old content for long periods of time.

 

[Ickus 40]

This ^

[Forest_ 40]

+1

[szuszak 2]

very true

[marshkils 0]

+1

[quasexort 4]

+1, if people really want a more authentic vanilla WoW experience then there's no reason to have such huge gaps in between content when new content gets cleared literally within hours of its release.  This is primarily due to guild being better / 1.12.1 talents but also due to guilds having such a long time in between content to get everyone near full bis which wasn't how it was in retail vanilla.

[Forest_ 40]

Can we get some more love for this thread. If Crestfall does a vanilla server this should be the timeline. Not this 2 year thing where everyone has cleared BWL for 7 months before going into AQ.

[Ickus 40]

19 minutes ago, Forest_ said:

Can we get some more love for this thread. If Crestfall does a vanilla server this should be the timeline. Not this 2 year thing where everyone has clears BWL for 7 months before going into AQ.

This!

[HudsonHawk 1]

I agree also.

[Watari 0]

Don't you realize that by releasing content in a faster manner we will simply have nothing left to play?

I agree that we do have some hardcore dudes out there that min-max gear within a month and want to do the same with the next raid asap, but what about the rest of us? Some people actually enjoy taking it slowly and i actually congratulate Elysium for the current timeframe they're using for releases.

[Keala 28]

1 hour ago, Watari said:

Don't you realize that by releasing content in a faster manner we will simply have nothing left to play?

I agree that we do have some hardcore dudes out there that min-max gear within a month and want to do the same with the next raid asap, but what about the rest of us? Some people actually enjoy taking it slowly and i actually congratulate Elysium for the current timeframe they're using for releases.

I don't mind not speeding up Elysium content release, but then it wouldn't be fair to make Anathema wait for Elysium to catch up. We either wait but Elysium speeds it up, or we get TBC first and Elysium comes second.

[flowqz 34]

15 hours ago, Keala said:

I don't mind not speeding up Elysium content release, but then it wouldn't be fair to make Anathema wait for Elysium to catch up. We either wait but Elysium speeds it up, or we get TBC first and Elysium comes second.

if the timedifference of the bc release is that huge, they could aswell just skip giving elysium tbc. 

if ppl want to go for tbc they would reroll on anathema, there is no point giving elysium tbc while anathema players already cleared t5 content aside from gold transfer purposes.

 

edit: i am curious how they want to handle gold transfers anyway. guess gold and most materials have to be wiped.

[Forest_ 40]

11 minutes ago, flowqz said:

edit: i am curious how they want to handle gold transfers anyway. guess gold and most materials have to be wiped.

I read this as: "Fuck Anathema players, they should have nothing to do for the next year while they wait for TBC."

Farming gold and materials for TBC is literally the only thing left to do on Anathema outside of Naxx.

Nah, sorry.

[flowqz 34]

30 minutes ago, Forest_ said:

I read this as: "Fuck Anathema players, they should have nothing to do for the next year while they wait for TBC."

Farming gold and materials for TBC is literally the only thing left to do on Anathema outside of Naxx.

Nah, sorry.

well, i couldnt think of a solution. maybe im not creative enough, but tell me how ppl just wouldnt put all gold on 1char, copy it on the new tbc realm and than move the gold to the next char and copy it.

 

its not my problem you take that statement hostile, mr.triggerhappy.

[Nabbie 2]

11 minutes ago, flowqz said:

maybe im not creative enough, but tell me how ppl just wouldnt put all gold on 1char, copy it on the new tbc realm and than move the gold to the next char and copy it.

 

 

People just wont be able to do it

 

[flowqz 34]

1 minute ago, Althea said:

People just wont be able to do it

 

so they just copy all characters at the same time. thanks, my bad.

[Forest_ 40]

6 minutes ago, flowqz said:

so they just copy all characters at the same time. thanks, my bad.

Sorry Flowz, I thought you were already aware of the "auto-copy" deal and you wanted people to have their gold wiped anyway.

You can probably understand my slight outrage lol.

[flowqz 34]

1 minute ago, Forest_ said:

Sorry Flowz, I thought you were already aware of the "auto-copy" deal and you wanted people to have their gold wiped anyway.

You can probably understand my slight outrage lol.

personally id prefer instant 60 chars without any gold (op draenei racials). but this way its fine aswell.

[quasexort 4]

23 hours ago, Watari said:

Don't you realize that by releasing content in a faster manner we will simply have nothing left to play?

I agree that we do have some hardcore dudes out there that min-max gear within a month and want to do the same with the next raid asap, but what about the rest of us? Some people actually enjoy taking it slowly and i actually congratulate Elysium for the current timeframe they're using for releases.

I’m curious, how does releasing content faster affect the people who “actually enjoy taking it slowly”?   If you enjoy taking it slowly can’t you just continue doing that?  You aren’t forced to do new content if you aren’t ready for it. 

[Ickus 40]

7 minutes ago, quasexort said:

I’m curious, how does releasing content faster affect the people who “actually enjoy taking it slowly”?   If you enjoy taking it slowly can’t you just continue doing that?  You aren’t forced to do new content if you aren’t ready for it. 

Yea but it's 2017 and everyone wants to be a special snowflake even if they suck.

[Watari 0]

1 hour ago, quasexort said:

I’m curious, how does releasing content faster affect the people who “actually enjoy taking it slowly”?   If you enjoy taking it slowly can’t you just continue doing that?  You aren’t forced to do new content if you aren’t ready for it. 

Because it basically shortens the lifespan of the server, ain't that hard to figure that out is it?

[quasexort 4]

27 minutes ago, Watari said:

Because it basically shortens the lifespan of the server, ain't that hard to figure that out is it?

If you think it will significantly shorten the lifespan of the server then you basically agree that people don’t want to go slow.  Anyway, I don’t agree that it will shorten the lifespan.  The only thing that will affect the lifespan of the server is opening a new server.  Right now, anyone who wants to play vanilla WoW has basically one option, Elysium PvP.  There won’t be a shortage of players until something new comes out to attract players away from Elysium PvP. 

Players who want to go slow, like yourself, can still go slow if new content is released.  I honestly don’t think people want to go slow.  But even if they do, you can continue farming MC/BWL for as long as you want.  New patches don’t take away old content so if you and your guild truly enjoy taking it slow then I see no reason why you can’t continue that.

[Justme 9]

10 hours ago, Watari said:

Because it basically shortens the lifespan of the server, ain't that hard to figure that out is it?

Using that logic adding a patch just once every 2 years should lengthen the lifespan. It doesn't.

[Keala 28]

10 hours ago, Watari said:

Because it basically shortens the lifespan of the server, ain't that hard to figure that out is it?

Yeah okay, can we look at the reasons why is this being suggested?

Anathema is going to have TBC soon, because of this quite a few Elysium players are suggesting that Anathema has to wait for Elysium to catch up and then make them all transfer there. Problem: Elysium will have all the content around September 2018 and it's not like they will have TBC after 1 month of Naxx, which means we would have to wait till 2019 for TBC. Can you please think for a second and try to understand what does it mean for Anathema players to wait till 2019? Naxxramas will be out in 1 week, I'm sure you won't expect us to farm it till 2019, right?

And here we are, talking about maybe speeding it up in order to not completely screw over the other 2 realms. I can understand why you would not want the content to be released faster, but for god sake, this whole issue is not just about you or anyone else in particular. It's about thousands of players and the whole project itself.

The initial plan was to make Anathema be the first to have transfer to TBC. Personally, I don't mind this at all, but many others do, which is why we're here trying to look for different options.

[sumeht 9]

On 9/7/2017 at 3:49 AM, Keala said:

Yeah okay, can we look at the reasons why is this being suggested?

Anathema is going to have TBC soon, because of this quite a few Elysium players are suggesting that Anathema has to wait for Elysium to catch up and then make them all transfer there. Problem: Elysium will have all the content around September 2018 and it's not like they will have TBC after 1 month of Naxx, which means we would have to wait till 2019 for TBC. Can you please think for a second and try to understand what does it mean for Anathema players to wait till 2019? Naxxramas will be out in 1 week, I'm sure you won't expect us to farm it till 2019, right?

And here we are, talking about maybe speeding it up in order to not completely screw over the other 2 realms. I can understand why you would not want the content to be released faster, but for god sake, this whole issue is not just about you or anyone else in particular. It's about thousands of players and the whole project itself.

The initial plan was to make Anathema be the first to have transfer to TBC. Personally, I don't mind this at all, but many others do, which is why we're here trying to look for different options.

That was part of the reason I suggested this, I personally feel that if they move Anathema forward first, while it may experience a short period of revitalization, will soon fall back to a very low pop once Elysium moves forward and is "Fresh tbc".  Waiting for Elylsium wont be easy, it'll be a painful period on Anathema, but Elysium being released fresh was a huge problem for Anathema.  Very few new players will choose to roll on the more progressed realm and eventually your recruitment pool just dies out.  This is the only chance to fix that problem and it needs to be done.  Temporary pain to fix the problem.

But I also feel that shortening the time between the releases will make for a much more blizzlike experience for raiders.  No guild in retail had anywhere near the gear across their raid as we do on private servers because content is on farm for so much longer here.  My retail guild we had only 1 warrior in full t2 when we got to twin emperors in AQ.