Raiding as a Druid ? What spec to choose ?

[Lorilay 12]

What? For tier sets sure. But hardly any of those pieces are bis at any point and druids compete with other healers for bis gear. So no, he's not right.

T2 gloves, bracers, and either chest or head are going to be BiS for long fights until you're well into Naxx. The rest of T2 except for the chest is an upgrade (or sidegrade) to preraid gear. All of T1 is a downgrade over preraid.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Lorilay

[gotmilk0112 10]

And yes they have oh фекал things like innervate and brez, but you are making the assumption that someone else ваууed up that caused the need for that.

Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

[Asphycsia 0]

Never said that they aren't nice things to have my point was simply from a min/max stand point, feral or boomkin dps even with the buffs they provide to the group is only beneficial imo if they put out enough dps to make up the difference that bringing another pure dps would have done. However I do agree with Taladril that i see more use out of the feral being used as an OT to provide these said benefits.

 

Edit: lol boomkin. I can atleast say feral has it's benefits in the right group makeup with a straight face.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Asphycsia

[Rafale 6]

Interesting video about all aspects of druid class in 1.12, you should see that:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4G5GmdaZ08 

[Storfan 24]

T2 gloves, bracers, and either chest or head are going to be BiS for long fights until you're well into Naxx. The rest of T2 except for the chest is an upgrade (or sidegrade) to preraid gear. All of T1 is a downgrade over preraid.

 

T1 shoulders and boots are pretty equal to pre-raid-bis though.

[Appletini 0]

and if you don't have pre-raid BiS T1 is an upgrade.  Have some fun healing and collect what gear you can.

[Mot 0]

The only viable end game druid spec is hot based Swift Mend.

 

This is coming from an 8/8 T3 Druid from Feenix who's tried the feral dream relentlessly. Take it from me, druids are meant to heal. That being said, they're one of the most fun and skill-intensive class to master in the game. The best part of being Swift Mend is that you also gain access to feral charge and improved bash which pays dividends in both pve and pvp. 

 

Source character:

 

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=WSG&player=Stayclassy

 

My recommended healing spec for raiding, (all tiers):

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0zL0hZVMhoZvxcogq0o

[taladril 43]

The only viable end game druid spec is hot based Swift Mend.

 

This is coming from an 8/8 T3 Druid from Feenix who's tried the feral dream relentlessly. Take it from me, druids are meant to heal. That being said, they're one of the most fun and skill-intensive class to master in the game. The best part of being Swift Mend is that you also gain access to feral charge and improved bash which pays dividends in both pve and pvp. 

 

Source character:

 

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=WSG&player=Stayclassy

 

My recommended healing spec for raiding, (all tiers):

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0zL0hZVMhoZvxcogq0o

Your recommended healing spec for raiding has feral and balance talents but not Nature's Focus or Improved Regrowth? I'm sorry but I don't care who you play or what server you were on. You're wrong. Full resto druids are either swiftmend spec: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0zLZZxEcqeqio or moonglow spec: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0zLxf0xsZZxgcoxq or maybe (untested in aq or naxx) regrowth spec:http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0zLxf0xoZZxgcoLaV

Your spec is called a "hybrid pvp spec" and not "healing spec for raiding" thanks.

[Mot 0]

Your recommended healing spec for raiding has feral and balance talents but not Nature's Focus or Improved Regrowth? I'm sorry but I don't care who you play or what server you were on. You're wrong. Full resto druids are either swiftmend spec: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0zLZZxEcqeqio or moonglow spec: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0zLxf0xsZZxgcoxq or maybe (untested in aq or naxx) regrowth spec:http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0zLxf0xoZZxgcoLaV

Your spec is called a "hybrid pvp spec" and not "healing spec for raiding" thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

We'll have to agree to disagree then, as regrowth as a skill is outright horrible and 0 point investment is required. I'm aware its a pvp hybrid spec, and that's all you need to raid as a druid effectively. Druid are in the raid to:

A) Innervate on priest,

b Battle Rez,

C) Raid Buff  

D) Spam Hots / Spot Heal / Swiftmend(or)NS Snipe on low hp targets,

E) Off-taunt to save the raid in emergency situations.

 

Just by saying "you're wrong" doesn't make you right, this is my opinion on the matter with years of experience playing druid in all specs in 1.12.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Mot

[Keftenk 0]

I swear this guy is a troll or just someone really stuck in the past.

Regrowth may not be an efficient heal when it comes to mana, but it's far better to use over Healing Touch in a game where "knowledge is power". Regrowth spec worked perfectly fine in AQ on Nost. It's easy to justify Regrowth when AQ40 fights don't even last 100 seconds. The only exception I was seeing was that I may have had to adjust for C'Thun due to the nature of a longer fight and the fact that Nost was releasing it as pre-nerf.

It worries me that you ran 8/8 T3. Completely voided everything you said up to and after that point.

[taladril 43]

 

We'll have to agree to disagree then, as regrowth as a skill is outright horrible and 0 point investment is required. I'm aware its a pvp hybrid spec, and that's all you need to raid as a druid effectively. Druid are in the raid to:

A) Innervate on priest,

b Battle Rez,

C) Raid Buff  

D) Spam Hots / Spot Heal / Swiftmend(or)NS Snipe on low hp targets,

E) Off-taunt to save the raid in emergency situations.

 

Just by saying "you're wrong" doesn't make you right, this is my opinion on the matter with years of experience playing druid in all specs in 1.12.

 

I'm telling you you're wrong because you said this:

 

 

The only viable end game druid spec is hot based Swift Mend.

Which is such obvious garbage that your entire post is moot. Additionally just cause you were in Naxx on a garbage server with poor scripting doesn't make you knowledgeable. 

[Mot 0]

Then disregard what I'm saying, this is my opinion on the matter. There's no situation where regrowth becomes superior to HT + Rejuv unless you're blanket hotting tank OR have Swiftmend / NS on cd to not top a tank quickly. 

 

Not trolling. I won't even dispute that Feenix was a bad server, it's besides the point of this topic. If you think Regrowth has any bearing on a druids success in 40 mans than keep on keepin on champ. 

Edited December 13, 2016 by Mot

[Mot 0]

It worries me that you ran 8/8 T3. Completely voided everything you said up to and after that point.

 

8/8 T3 was for pure swagger, obviously I had many other pieces of gear that I could swap in depending on the fight requirements. The fact you used this as an insult proves you're grasping as straws. You claim "regrowth spec" is a thing, it's not.  You're gimping your own utility to put up overhealing and lose mana. Moonglow, isn;t a spec, if you want to spam HT, roll a paladin with a faster and more efficient heal. 

[taladril 43]

Maybe tone down the pomp, lower your ego level, and maybe you'll find that not all of us are idiots and our reaction to you is because of said pomp and ego. There's much to learn out there and I'm not saying I know it all yet either.

[Keftenk 0]

*head explodes*

It wasn't an insult. You shouldn't have brought it up while trying to defend Healing Touch. It shouldn't have even been mentioned.
Healing Touch is still in a Regrowth Druid's tool-box, but as the only heal, it simply doesn't keep up with every other classes in a competitive situation.

I'll agree with you though. It boggles my mind why anyone still runs Moonglow, let alone, 8/8 T3 lel. When you're already running over 10k mana in BWL it makes me wonder what people are actually doing with their mana pools that they need to utilize Moonglow.

[Mot 0]

Maybe tone down the pomp, lower your ego level, and maybe you'll find that not all of us are idiots and our reaction to you is because of said pomp and ego. There's much to learn out there and I'm not saying I know it all yet either.

 

Not worth my time if you're gonna call me egotistic when providing factual information. GL to all aspiring druids, stick with the class it's well worth it!

[Mot 0]

*head explodes*

It wasn't an insult. You shouldn't have brought it up while trying to defend Healing Touch. It shouldn't have even been mentioned.

Healing Touch is still in a Regrowth Druid's tool-box, but as the only heal, it simply doesn't keep up with every other classes in a competitive situation.

I'll agree with you though. It boggles my mind why anyone still runs Moonglow, let alone, 8/8 T3 lel. When you're already running over 10k mana in BWL it makes me wonder what people are actually doing with their mana pools that they need to utilize Moonglow.

 

I was merely mentioning 8/8 T3 for proof of boss clear more than anything, regardless you're probably right I shouldn't have mentioned it. The thing that bothers me is trying to be "competitive" at all as a resto druid. It's a vain attempt at appearing on paper to be helping the raid. The fact is a priest and paladin (who are competent) will outperform any druid on MOST fights (exceptions do occur but are very rare).

 

My argument against the "regrowth" spec is simply that the points spent can be put into far more effective places for overall druid success, even in a raid environment. It's personal preference really. I wouldn't play druid in vanilla without Shapeshifting reduction, Natures Swiftness, Natures Grasp, Swiftmend and Feral charge. In my opinion, these are the druid staple talents.

[Lorilay 12]

Not worth my time if you're gonna call me egotistic when providing factual information. GL to all aspiring druids, stick with the class it's well worth it!

It's worth pointing out that druids with regrowth spec on Nostalrius had higher efficient heal in BWL than any of your BWL performances on Realmplayers. Keep in mind, this was purely in gear up to ZG level, which is considerably worse than what you have equipped on Realmplayers. Maybe you should back up your blanket statements with better evidence.

 

Edit: Here's some evidence for you: https://web.archive.org/web/20160205041054/http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Ranking.aspx?Bosses=0B0C0D0E0F0G0H0I&realm=All

 

I know that Threegnomes was regrowth spec, and I'm pretty sure Runrunrun was too. Keep in mind this is top healing across all classes and all servers vs BWL, including servers with Naxx out for ages.

Edited December 13, 2016 by Lorilay

[taladril 43]

Not worth my time if you're gonna call me egotistic when providing factual information. GL to all aspiring druids, stick with the class it's well worth it!

The only "fact" you provided was that you were 8/8 which even your realm players can't prove. The rest of what you said is generally called an "opinion." For opinions to have weight the person speaking needs to have weight as well. You tried by saying you are mr elite naxx expert. Great, we don't care cause that server means nothing. Please start over with a more modest approach.

[Appletini 0]

Then disregard what I'm saying, this is my opinion on the matter. There's no situation where regrowth becomes superior to HT + Rejuv unless you're blanket hotting tank OR have Swiftmend / NS on cd to not top a tank quickly. 

 

Not trolling. I won't even dispute that Feenix was a bad server, it's besides the point of this topic. If you think Regrowth has any bearing on a druids success in 40 mans than keep on keepin on champ. 

I guess you have never tried regrowth4 with natures grace spec.

[Mot 0]

It's worth pointing out that druids with regrowth spec on Nostalrius had higher efficient heal in BWL than any of your BWL performances on Realmplayers. Keep in mind, this was purely in gear up to ZG level, which is considerably worse than what you have equipped on Realmplayers. Maybe you should back up your blanket statements with better evidence.

 

Edit: Here's some evidence for you: https://web.archive.org/web/20160205041054/http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Ranking.aspx?Bosses=0B0C0D0E0F0G0H0I&realm=All

 

I know that Threegnomes was regrowth spec, and I'm pretty sure Runrunrun was too. Keep in mind this is top healing across all classes and all servers vs BWL, including servers with Naxx out for ages.

 

I stopped caring about meters ages ago. For healing especially it means little to nothing as healing done versus efficiency is completely relevant to those in your 40 man. If the boss dies and you're not a liability and doing your job it's really all inconsequential. I'm a team player boys. 

 

Besides I was carried by Fith, one of the best priests on the server. If you like playing regrowth, fine play it. 

[Keftenk 0]

I think we're all aware you were carried when you're touting that spec.

[StarecaseXD 0]

I stopped caring about meters ages ago. For healing especially it means little to nothing as healing done versus efficiency is completely relevant to those in your 40 man. If the boss dies and you're not a liability and doing your job it's really all inconsequential. I'm a team player boys.

 

What a terrible attitude to have lmao. If I had someone on my healing team that I thought was content with not being a liability they wouldn't be brought to another raid.

 

Bottom line is there are a lot more interesting and innovative specs nowadays that provide druids with the tools to perform on the same level as other healing classes in addition to bringing the utility built into the class.

 

Glad you were able to find success but don't try and claim that some sub-par pvp spec is the only viable path for a druid in raids.

Edited December 13, 2016 by StarecaseXD

[ravens 0]

If you are dedicated I'm sure many guilds will take you as any spec because here's the biggest thing to consider. Vanilla private servers have a huge turnover rate meaning a lot of players will play for a month or two than get bored and quit so if they can get a dedicated player whose good they will take them. Sure you can't have 5 boomkins or ferals in a raid but 1-3 hybrids that are dedicated and know what  they're doing won't hurt plus you can always switch over to healing.

 

When people say you're better off just getting another class well that person has to be decent, has to show up, and has to have gear which a lot of times many not be easy. That's why many guild masters and leaders will just take good players period. In theory an optimal raid would have the optimal classes but in reality filling 40 people is much more complex esp on a 1x server. 

 

If you want to pug on the other hand there are many ZG/MC/Ony even BWL pugs that just want to fill and go and you will prolly get taken and carried.

 

So either way just play what you want most players are really terrible that's why they get horrible results as hunters/druids/paladins when trying to dps but if you put in effort you will do just as well or beat most of the bad players. On top of that druids are the least played so you will always be wanted and as long as you have .4-.5 reduction on healing touch you will be able to heal. Druids have also tanked Nef/Huhu/ off tank Patch so just you tube it. 

 

It's not like this is bleeding edge content anymore it's all been cleared a million times and worse case is that you will go resto for difficult bosses way down the road in AQ or naxx but for the most part just have fun. 

[Mot 0]

If you are dedicated I'm sure many guilds will take you as any spec because here's the biggest thing to consider. Vanilla private servers have a huge turnover rate meaning a lot of players will play for a month or two than get bored and quit so if they can get a dedicated player whose good they will take them. Sure you can't have 5 boomkins or ferals in a raid but 1-3 hybrids that are dedicated and know what  they're doing won't hurt plus you can always switch over to healing.

 

When people say you're better off just getting another class well that person has to be decent, has to show up, and has to have gear which a lot of times many not be easy. That's why many guild masters and leaders will just take good players period. In theory an optimal raid would have the optimal classes but in reality filling 40 people is much more complex esp on a 1x server. 

 

If you want to pug on the other hand there are many ZG/MC/Ony even BWL pugs that just want to fill and go and you will prolly get taken and carried.

 

So either way just play what you want most players are really terrible that's why they get horrible results as hunters/druids/paladins when trying to dps but if you put in effort you will do just as well or beat most of the bad players. On top of that druids are the least played so you will always be wanted and as long as you have .4-.5 reduction on healing touch you will be able to heal. Druids have also tanked Nef/Huhu/ off tank Patch so just you tube it. 

 

It's not like this is bleeding edge content anymore it's all been cleared a million times and worse case is that you will go resto for difficult bosses way down the road in AQ or naxx but for the most part just have fun. 

 

 

Bolded is very true. 

 

I would argue that druids are irreplaceable as unexpected deaths do occur and mark of the wild with talents is an extremely potent raid buff. An ideal 40 man will bring 2, maybe 3 at max. 

 

 

What a terrible attitude to have lmao. If I had someone on my healing team that I thought was content with not being a liability they wouldn't be brought to another raid.

 

Bottom line is there are a lot more interesting and innovative specs nowadays that provide druids with the tools to perform on the same level as other healing classes in addition to bringing the utility built into the class.

 

Glad you were able to find success but don't try and claim that some sub-par pvp spec is the only viable path for a druid in raids.

 

- What attitude? I come to raid with friends who I've known for years not masturbate to MC clear times or max efficient healing on Broodlord Lashslayer lmao. They know I'm a good healer, I could give 2 shits about what some random thinks about my performance. Being "not a liability" means not being carried, buffing without asking and supporting other healers on the fly, vanilla is simple as it comes to raiding. When people bring Raid logs into a conversation is pretty laughable.

 

- This sub par pvp spec can heal everything in the game in any role be it raid or tank and offers more defensive options for yourself and the group. You're downplaying it because you don't like it. Simple as that. I'll backpedal and say that perhaps its not the only viable spec, but it is, in my opinion far and away the best for a druid in all situations. Hence why I recommended it.

 

- There's nothing new or innovative in this 12 year old game. Druids can't compete with Paladins, Priests or Shamans that have a brain. You're there to provide utility. 

Edited December 13, 2016 by Mot