Stress Test #1 Over! Reflections & What's Next

[arbet 9]

I do not want a queue system implemented... I don't think most people do. I want the original vanilla experience, including its potential drawbacks.

[XreaperDK 6]

They can make according to the "Spec" with the most "Points"

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

 

But at low level that's so hard to tell, some people will be a role at low level but have their skills into other trees for misc reasons. It can be unpredictable at low, but I could see that working in higher level groups. But there are some roles that "multiclass" like feral druid could tank some low level dungeons, but the meeting stone wouldn't know whether they are DPS or tank. But honestly, if you want a queing system don't go for a pure vanilla server like Nost/Elys. I know a lot of people (including myself) who think that queing systems water the game down a little bit too much and don't provide the original vanilla experience of trying to build a team in trade, general and random whispers.

[Riceness 2]

Im not completely sure what is the point of this, i mean... you said you can hold 7,5k with this hardware, but lets be honest, it was completely unplayable there was a massive delay and a low distance with only 7k players only. 

This is for the PvE Server, which is obviously using a smaller structure to hold less players. PvP servers structure will hold more and easier.

[Gubbi 1]

I do not want a queue system implemented... I don't think most people do. I want the original vanilla experience, including its potential drawbacks.

Indeed.  There was an addon developed early on after Nostalrius launched last year called vQueue, which was really handy for keeping track of groups forming as well forming groups for dungeons and quests and it should work on Elysium.  

 

All it does is monitor chat channels for common phrases like "LFM BRM", "LF Tank ZF" etc and tracks those in a nifty interface which also allows you to start a group and share that info with other users of the addon. It tracks how long individual groups have been searching for more and who to whisper, etc which on a populated server like Nostalrius with often spammy chat channels is very neat.

 

Hopefully more people will use it on Elysium.

[tandroid 0]

Good Job, SHENNA~!

[Anhai 1]

The system, as I imagine it, would only match you up with players (with its limitations/problems), it wouldn't teleport you to your dungeon, so it will only help you find a group faster, without you trying to find that "LFM x, need dps" in an endless global chat. I agree that it would be troublesome, but according to the patch notes, there existed such a system, at least in concept. Since Blizzard is stupborn, the actual functionality is unknown, so we can only guess what it was supposed to do. The actual fact is that the patch notes imply the existence of such a system, thus it would be part of an "original vanilla experience". Again, this would only help you find a group faster, not help you reach your destination faster or go through less PvP to get there.

But I do see all your points that it would complicate things, and it maybe something vanilla players are not used to. I can see why it would be a pain for the devs as well. Not knowing a system's true functionality can be a pain when implementing it.

[xrononautis 1]

My first post in those forums due to the fear of mindless down voters who like to take out their anger here in the forums.

 

I know a lot of people (including myself) who think that queuing systems water the game down a little bit too much and don't provide the original vanilla experience of trying to build a team in trade, general and random whispers.

 

 

There was an addon developed early on after Nostalrius launched last year called vQueue, which was really handy for keeping track of groups forming as well forming groups for dungeons and quests and it should work on Elysium.  All it does is monitor chat channels for common phrases like "LFM BRM", "LF Tank ZF" etc and tracks those in a nifty interface which also allows you to start a group and share that info with other users of the addon.

 

Guys I agree with XreaperDK. Lets keep the communication instead of putting everything in auto pilot. Blizzard probably implemented that kind of functions due to the 15years old kids who were playing the game without having proper communication skills. Here we are a different kind of society I hope. And I am saying "I hope" because I saw something that I didn't liked before in the first two pages of this subforum. One guy had a noob question (It didn't sounded noob to me but lets say that it sounded noob to others) I don't understand why we should attack on sight.. So ppl were really rude on the guy and this is not the kind of answers I want to read when a read the whole comments section. Only XreaperDK put the things like they should be and did the proper think. Answering and explaining!! Lets keep our strength for the battlegrounds guys. Here is a forum and in forums we exchange ideas.

 

Anyway as said there is an addon which functions pretty well for this purpose and therefore we can lift the weight for the developers.

 

I keep the main reason for the post for the end.

I only miss one thing from the game after Vanilla. Guild banks. I think that it adds a lot in functionality and socializing for the guild. No need to tell the mess with the guild characters...

 

I would like to see ppls thoughs about it. Do you like it? To the developers: Is it possible?

 

Thank you for listening me

Edited November 22, 2016 by xrononautis

[Ghazkhull 5]

Not to be the killjoy here, but...

 

With all the fan fare and hoopla around this Elysium/Nost project, does anyone really think this will last more than a month? Does anyone HONESTLY believe that Blizzard hasn't been policing the Nost site and does anyone really think that they don't know about this project?

Why is everyone getting so amped up about this when it's sure to be shut down in no time by Blizz legal.

[Anhai 1]

Not to be the killjoy here, but...

 

With all the fan fare and hoopla around this Elysium/Nost project, does anyone really think this will last more than a month? Does anyone HONESTLY believe that Blizzard hasn't been policing the Nost site and does anyone really think that they don't know about this project?

Why is everyone getting so amped up about this when it's sure to be shut down in no time by Blizz legal.

I think that it will last more than a month for several reasons.

First, having in consideration that Blizzard isn't stupid, of course they know about the project, about a project they kicked out intentionally at Blizzcon, and they may try to shut it down, though it's their own fault they are in this mess. They will try, but will they succeed? They brought down Nost because Nost decided to comply to the letter from Blizzard. If they ignore the letter, what else can they do? DDoS can be migrated (though I'm not sure if they have the time/will they bother to, since they have Legion to cater for), if the government shuts them down (highly unlikely, don't know the law so I don't know if it is able to do this), they can just save the core, database and migrate it to another country. If you want to keep up a project, you will find the means to do it.

There are countless private servers out there from which probably all of them get regular shut-down requests from Blizzard. That doesn't mean that they will or Blizz is able to shut them down.

Edited November 22, 2016 by Anhai

[kegboy 8]

Not to be the killjoy here, but...

 

With all the fan fare and hoopla around this Elysium/Nost project, does anyone really think this will last more than a month? Does anyone HONESTLY believe that Blizzard hasn't been policing the Nost site and does anyone really think that they don't know about this project?

Why is everyone getting so amped up about this when it's sure to be shut down in no time by Blizz legal.

it wont shut down 

[Armilus 6]

the french didn't shut down nost, nost chose to close. there's a lot of misinformation about this apparently. nost chose to comply with a C&D letter something that is kind of rare for a Pserver to actually do in general. id wager, so they could push for legacy in a respectful manner. id also wager that the server is still hilariously in France. it essentially doesn't matter where its located though the team will probably give the next C&D letter a flush down the toilet and a middle finger. blizz cant exactly do a whole lot about it.

Where the hell is this misinformation coming from? It's very clear in the nost shutdown announcement that it was NOT a C&D letter, it was a lawsuite, as in, hire a lawyer and show up to court or be found guilty in absentia. Pretty sure one of the admins even said they got C&D letters for years and always ignored them.

[XreaperDK 6]

Not to be the killjoy here, but...

 

With all the fan fare and hoopla around this Elysium/Nost project, does anyone really think this will last more than a month? Does anyone HONESTLY believe that Blizzard hasn't been policing the Nost site and does anyone really think that they don't know about this project?

Why is everyone getting so amped up about this when it's sure to be shut down in no time by Blizz legal.

 

At this point, many mainstream WoW media outlets have done some sort of comment on the Nostalrius situation, some even talking about Elysium. Yes, it is illegal. When things get so big, Blizzard is required to take some sort of action to prevent loosing some of their copyright holds on the content. Last time Blizzard was able to sue them because they have hold in France and Nost was quite open about their location. Elysium isn't as open about the location of the servers and they are probably hosting it where Blizzard does not have the same holds in copyright laws. I don't know whether Elysium will fall like Nost did eventually or not, but one thing that they can't change is the mob of fans that are backing this and will do anything to keep it alive.

[Kazuma 11]

Server is hosted on same location in EU as Nostalrius.

Edited November 22, 2016 by Kazuma

[sanctonus 0]

Server is hosted on same location in EU as Nostalrius.

Indeed, OVH as you can see :

inetnum: 164.132.0.0 - 164.132.255.255

org: ORG-OS3-RIPE

status: LEGACY

netname: FR-OVH

country: FR

So, If like me you are a French player you'll have an amazing latency : https://cloud.cagedmonster.net/s/ta26UV2IDbwi6aZ

[Kazuma 11]

Same here for Belgium.  

Edited November 22, 2016 by Kazuma

[Ghazkhull 5]

ohh look, another one who doesn't understand how things work in the Pserver community. did you honestly make an account just to post that? LMAO not sure if troll or just genuinely ignorant.

I played on Nost for MANY months. I understand perfectly how things work. Clearly, you (being in, what, 8th grade?) do not understand how life works. To you, it all works on insults and belittling people that you disagree with, instead of attempting to have a discussion. You jump to conclusions, make an all-encompassing generalization, and hurl insults, all in one uninformed reply to a post. Stereotypical millennial tween.

My point, hyperbole aside, was that Blizz certainly knows about this effort. They certainly know that they can shut it down effortlessly, since it's all hosted in the same country. There's far too much coverage about this for it to hide in the shadows for long. Nostalrius lasted for so long because nobody was talking about it for a very. Long. Time.

Once it started getting popular and people started reporting about it, Blizz caught wind and... well... here we are.

Edited November 23, 2016 by Ghazkhull

[kegboy 8]

I played on Nost for MANY months. I understand perfectly how things work. Clearly, you (being in, what, 8th grade?) do not understand how life works. To you, it all works on insults and belittling people that you disagree with, instead of attempting to have a discussion. You jump to conclusions, make an all-encompassing generalization, and hurl insults, all in one uninformed reply to a post. Stereotypical millennial tween.

My point, hyperbole aside, was that Blizz certainly knows about this effort. They certainly know that they can shut it down effortlessly, since it's all hosted in the same country. There's far too much coverage about this for it to hide in the shadows for long. Nostalrius lasted for so long because nobody was talking about it for a very. Long. Time.

Once it started getting popular and people started reporting about it, Blizz caught wind and... well... here we are.

playing on nost for many months does not make you an expert. the guy said you dont know much which is true. look at the population of molten wow. do you know how long its been there? for over half a decade and its still up. you are a complete noob to the private server scene which is fine but dont pretend like you are a know it all. the first thing you posted was a mistake but then you tried to say the other guy is an idiot. many servers get c&d letters but they dont have to comply, nostalrius did not have too but they did it

Edited November 23, 2016 by kegboy

[Ghazkhull 5]

look at the population of molten wow. do you know how long its been there? for over half a decade and its still up....many servers get c&d letters but they dont have to comply, nostalrius did not have too but they did it

 

Well, at least you said something of substance, even if it's a little incorrect, in my eyes. Molten WoW has been up for 5 years for two reasons; 1) few people know about it (relatively speaking) and,  2) due to #1, not many people talk about it, let alone media channels (YouTubers, gaming sites, etc). Same goes for Dalaran-WoW. So few people there that there's no buzz. That helps it stay under the radar. This is the same reason that so many garage bands and niche DJs are so good. They've not been tainted by the general public. Plus, Molten WoW, from what my friends have told me, was utter shite. Buggy, hackers, and poor performance. I never played there, true, but that's largely why I didn't.

 

Nostalrius was shut down because they became huge. Popular. More people played there than almost all of the other "big" private servers combined. Blizz can't let something that is growing so large exist. Just having it there makes it grow larger and larger. If Blizz is hearing about it, Blizz is going to stop it. They HAVE to, in order to keep their IP intact. Law states that they must vigorously defend their IP, so they will and they do.

You said servers don't have to comply with c&d letters. You said Nost didn't have to, but they chose to. You're only technically correct. If you don't comply with c&d letters, you may face consequences. Nothing out there is stopping you from robbing a bank, but the law says you're not allowed. If you do, you will be hunted down and prosecuted.

 

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As for your other comments, my original post was most certainly not a mistake. PErhaps I could've chosen to use better verbiage, but I fully intended to type what I typed. Sound mind and body. Secondly, nowhere on this website have I ever called anyone an idiot. I expressed my views and I was received with insults. I find it interesting that you see me as the aggressor there. Last, when I said, "...many months," I was talking about nearly a year. 10 months, or so.

Edited November 23, 2016 by Ghazkhull

[Ghazkhull 5]

I'm not even going to touch this pitifully ignorant comment with a ten foot pole ^

 

Good. Please don't. You've already shown that you have nothing but insults to replace actual conversational skills with. As a matter of fact, I humbly request that you don't touch any of my posts with any length poles. You bring nothing of value to the conversation.

[Syff 23]

sooooo... about this stress test eh?

[Ghazkhull 5]

I think that it will last more than a month for several reasons.

First, having in consideration that Blizzard isn't stupid, of course they know about the project, about a project they kicked out intentionally at Blizzcon, and they may try to shut it down, though it's their own fault they are in this mess. They will try, but will they succeed? They brought down Nost because Nost decided to comply to the letter from Blizzard. If they ignore the letter, what else can they do? DDoS can be migrated (though I'm not sure if they have the time/will they bother to, since they have Legion to cater for), if the government shuts them down (highly unlikely, don't know the law so I don't know if it is able to do this), they can just save the core, database and migrate it to another country. If you want to keep up a project, you will find the means to do it.

There are countless private servers out there from which probably all of them get regular shut-down requests from Blizzard. That doesn't mean that they will or Blizz is able to shut them down.

Anhai, I don't know the actual laws, either, but I'm fairly certain that c&d letters on their own have no legal bearing. They're more or less scare tactics to make somebody stop doing whatever. If they are routinely ignored, however, then legal discourse could start. Nobody will go to jail, but people can certainly be sued. If Nost devs said, "Nope. We're not shutting down," then Blizz would go after the hosting company... and that just what Blizz did.

 

 

 

Nostalrius Final Days

by Daemon » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:07 pm

 

Yesterday, we received a letter of formal notice from US and french lawyers, acting on behalf of Blizzard Entertainment, preparing to stand trial against our hosting company OVH and ourselves in less than a week now. This means the de facto end of Nostalrius under its current form.

 

source: http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42654

[cryofsorrow 5]

It's just the next, hopefully last, stress test that'll take place this sunday, the 27th. After that we'll probably get some release date info.

@Ghazkhul, I doubt many users of Nostalrius, or of any private server for that matter, have the illusion of Elysium being safe haven from Blizzard's reach. No one really knows the reasons (pretty sure there are things that aren't known to the public) why only Nostalrius cave in and shut down, nor any one knows what tomorrow brings. Your statements about other private servers being on the 'down-low' and that Blizzard "must vigorously defend their IP" are kinda contradictious, don't you think? Warmane (ex-Molten) being unpopular... Really? I would like to insert here that Feenix (Rebirth and few others as well) is hosted by the same company as Nostalrius for at least two years now and they were the go-to vanilla WoW server before Nostalrius. Anyway, it's pointless to discuss this subject as no one really knows what will follow.

Edited November 23, 2016 by cryofsorrow

[Anhai 1]

You don't have to bring insults in a matter of simple divergence of oppinion. @Ghazkhull, he's not being ignorant, just overly-realistic combined with the disappointment of having lost a good server and in fear of it happening again.

Well, at least you said something of substance, even if it's a little incorrect, in my eyes. Molten WoW has been up for 5 years for two reasons; 1) few people know about it (relatively speaking) and,  2) due to #1, not many people talk about it, let alone media channels (YouTubers, gaming sites, etc). Same goes for Dalaran-WoW. So few people there that there's no buzz. That helps it stay under the radar. This is the same reason that so many garage bands and niche DJs are so good. They've not been tainted by the general public. Plus, Molten WoW, from what my friends have told me, was utter shite. Buggy, hackers, and poor performance. I never played there, true, but that's largely why I didn't.

 

Nostalrius was shut down because they became huge. Popular. More people played there than almost all of the other "big" private servers combined. Blizz can't let something that is growing so large exist. Just having it there makes it grow larger and larger. If Blizz is hearing about it, Blizz is going to stop it. They HAVE to, in order to keep their IP intact. Law states that they must vigorously defend their IP, so they will and they do.

You said servers don't have to comply with c&d letters. You said Nost didn't have to, but they chose to. You're only technically correct. If you don't comply with c&d letters, you may face consequences. Nothing out there is stopping you from robbing a bank, but the law says you're not allowed. If you do, you will be hunted down and prosecuted.

 

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As for your other comments, my original post was most certainly not a mistake. PErhaps I could've chosen to use better verbiage, but I fully intended to type what I typed. Sound mind and body. Secondly, nowhere on this website have I ever called anyone an idiot. I expressed my views and I was received with insults. I find it interesting that you see me as the aggressor there. Last, when I said, "...many months," I was talking about nearly a year. 10 months, or so.

 

About "Molten WoW"... back when it was Molten (1-2 years ago), yes, it was full of bugs, but it got wiped just about then, then Warmane was built upon it. The server features a great 1x Wotlk progressive realm (which had a peak population of about 11-12k back in April, now it goes up to 6-7k) and a 5x realm with 12k players from 4 PM to 8PM (GMT+2) and 1-2k queue. I've met players from all over the world there, so about the popularity, I'd say the server it's quite popular while also offering a pretty good experience.

 

Sorry for not being on point, I shouldn't have brought up another server, but I wanted to make a point. Not everything that you know it's true might also be true (truth is in the eye of the beholder anyways, it's relative, etc.). You are expressing your opinion, I appreciate that, though.

@TheHappyCatsTail, instead of calling people ignorant, try coming up with a counterargument to what they say.

@everyone, instead of bringing insults into a conversation, either improve your argument or accept defeat (you don't have to say that publicly since it's against human nature )

@Ghazkhull, instead of being negative (since negativity can spread like a plague) about a topic, try reversing the logic and be positive about it (ex. instead of how long until nost will shut down again, go like: let's see how much it will last; by changing mentality in this way you will be surprised and content when it will last for 1 more day instead of living with the constant shadow of shutdown over your head and when it happens (if it happens) to be even sadder)

 

Now, let's get back on the topic .

[kegboy 8]

Well, at least you said something of substance, even if it's a little incorrect, in my eyes. Molten WoW has been up for 5 years for two reasons; 1) few people know about it (relatively speaking) and,  2) due to #1, not many people talk about it, let alone media channels (YouTubers, gaming sites, etc). Same goes for Dalaran-WoW. So few people there that there's no buzz. That helps it stay under the radar. This is the same reason that so many garage bands and niche DJs are so good. They've not been tainted by the general public. Plus, Molten WoW, from what my friends have told me, was utter shite. Buggy, hackers, and poor performance. I never played there, true, but that's largely why I didn't.

 

Nostalrius was shut down because they became huge. Popular. More people played there than almost all of the other "big" private servers combined. Blizz can't let something that is growing so large exist. Just having it there makes it grow larger and larger. If Blizz is hearing about it, Blizz is going to stop it. They HAVE to, in order to keep their IP intact. Law states that they must vigorously defend their IP, so they will and they do.

You said servers don't have to comply with c&d letters. You said Nost didn't have to, but they chose to. You're only technically correct. If you don't comply with c&d letters, you may face consequences. Nothing out there is stopping you from robbing a bank, but the law says you're not allowed. If you do, you will be hunted down and prosecuted.

 

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As for your other comments, my original post was most certainly not a mistake. PErhaps I could've chosen to use better verbiage, but I fully intended to type what I typed. Sound mind and body. Secondly, nowhere on this website have I ever called anyone an idiot. I expressed my views and I was received with insults. I find it interesting that you see me as the aggressor there. Last, when I said, "...many months," I was talking about nearly a year. 10 months, or so.

 

you bring up blizzard having to protect their ip. they have to protect it but that doesnt mean they have to shut the server down. if they send a c&d they are showing that they want to protect their ip. also warmane has 12k peaks on their most popular server and 5k peaks on their second most popular server. i wouldnt say thats underground at all. the only private servers taken to court were ones that were making millions. (molten made millions but they arent open about it) 

 

i mean maybe blizzard really does want to shut down elysium and does it even after they ignore c&d from blizz. but so far theres nothing to beleive that will happen. but you were making it seem like elysium will go the same way as blizzard but it most likely will not.

[Slideb 4]

I did tracert logon.elysuim-project.org and got Ukranian ip address.