Reduced respec costs

[gotmilk0112 10]

My one absolute favorite thing about Kronos is that they reduced the talent respec costs by 90%. This means that it starts at 10s, then 50s, then 1g, then 1g 50s, etc...all the way up to a maximum of 5g.

 

This is immensely helpful as it lets you freely respec without having to break the bank. A godsend for classes like Paladin, where you can have a spec for leveling, and then easily switch to a tank spec to tank dungeons, and then right back again. Or for Priest, you can easily switch back and forth between holy and shadow.

 

Or if you're just leveling and want to try out a different spec, you don't have to worry about spending a fortune on respec costs.

 

Or if you PvP and raid, you can easily switch between your PvP and PvE specs all the time.

 

Would it be possible to implement that here as well?

Edited November 22, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[Pottu 290]

No.

[Kazuma 11]

Here we go again. 

 

Somewhere between level1-30 they'll quit and whine some more to make the game easier.

 

I hope they will all roll Fresh server so I wont have to deal with them.

Edited November 22, 2016 by Kazuma

[j9a2per1990 32]

Why? Question is why? Why we play here at Elysium, why we play our good old Warcraft?For cheaper riding, respec, for instant loot? No..

[slarkstob 1]

Blizzlike.

[gotmilk0112 10]

Add me to your ignore list!

You got it.

 

Why? Question is why? Why we play here at Elysium, why we play our good old Warcraft?For cheaper riding, respec, for instant loot? No..

I never asked for cheaper riding and instant loot.

 

I just asked for a small, but very effective, quality of life change.

 

Nice slippery slope though.

Blizzlike.

Server is running patch 1.12 on 1.0 content with 1.4 items/itemization, with player cap far above what blizzard set.

 

We're already very far outside "blizzlike". 

Edited November 23, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[Frylord 4]

No.

 

No, no, a thousand times no.

 

Stay on Kronos if you can't stomach the respec costs. You don't need to respec every time you run a dungeon, pvp, grind, quest, etc. And if you feel that you do, you'll just have to farm.

 

Honestly trying to remain civil here, but this is the type of "quality of life" whining that has turned retail into a shell of what it once was. 

 

It is a slippery slope. Take LFG for example. It went from a tool to find people and form groups on your server, to automatic group maker, to cross realm LFG thus completely destroying realm communities, to teleporting directly into dungeons.

 

I mean, Jesus. Just look at what they did to respec's in retail, and it all began with nerfing respec cost. 

[kegboy 8]

You got it.

 

I never asked for cheaper riding and instant loot.

 

I just asked for a small, but very effective, quality of life change.

 

Nice slippery slope though.

Server is running patch 1.12 on 1.0 content with 1.4 items/itemization, with player cap far above what blizzard set.

 

We're already very far outside "blizzlike". 

you think your so smug and right but you are just wrong. just because a server is 1.12 but not running content that is 1.12 does not make it not blizzlike. NOOB 

Edited November 23, 2016 by kegboy

[фткyн 1469]

Retardet blizzlikers everywhere, even if they known that here already many things that don't work like it was on retail.

[gotmilk0112 10]

No.

 

No, no, a thousand times no.

 

Stay on Kronos if you can't stomach the respec costs. You don't need to respec every time you run a dungeon, pvp, grind, quest, etc. And if you feel that you do, you'll just have to farm.

 

Honestly trying to remain civil here, but this is the type of "quality of life" whining that has turned retail into a shell of what it once was. 

 

It is a slippery slope. Take LFG for example. It went from a tool to find people and form groups on your server, to automatic group maker, to cross realm LFG thus completely destroying realm communities, to teleporting directly into dungeons.

 

I mean, Jesus. Just look at what they did to respec's in retail, and it all began with nerfing respec cost. 

And why do you people think that if we reduce respec cost, we MUST continue on and nerf everything else?

 

As if it's impossible to make just one change?

 

Reducing respec cost doesn't change any other part of the game.

[Frylord 4]

And why do you people think that if we reduce respec cost, we MUST continue on and nerf everything else?

 

As if it's impossible to make just one change?

 

Reducing respec cost doesn't change any other part of the game.

 

Because it's a slippery slope. One small change starts a precedent. Why not have dual spec since respec'ing is so cheap? Just a QoL change after all!

 

It's not even hypothetical, if you played since vanilla you'd know it's exactly this type of attitude that lead to retail becoming such trash. Lots of little changes lead to big changes before you know it.

 

But that's even besides the point, there's a reason why respec'ing get's so expensive after the first few times. Gold is a valuable resource, so then too becomes talent choice. Everything matters and choice is important, wanting to trivialize part of the game because you're either too lazy to farm or too stupid to see this really grinds me gears.

 

People like you who whine for what you perceive to be QoL changes is almost the entire reason retail is so terrible now. And people can get really aggressive when talking about this topic, because we've already had this conversation on the official forums back in the day. We know how this turns out.

 

Point is moot anyway, staff said no. If you want a nerfed version of vanilla, there are plenty of other private servers out there that will happy cater to your needs.

[cryviel 1]

man just respect the fact that we want a blizzlike, thats it. If they start to pleasure every player to "make wow better"  we will get a shitty wow retail. Blizzlike. Blizzwhat? Blizzlike.

[gotmilk0112 10]

Because it's a slippery slope.

So yes, you're using "muh slippery slope" as your argument, as if it's impossible to just make one change; that making one change 100% guarantees that a million other changes WILL come after it.

 

Jeez. Can't discuss anything on this forum without everyone taking everything to extremes.

Edited November 23, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[Frylord 4]

So yes, you're using "muh slippery slope" as your argument, as if it's impossible to just make one change; that making one change 100% guarantees that a million other changes WILL come after it.

 

Jeez. Can't discuss anything on this forum without everyone taking everything to extremes.

 

It's not taking it to the extremes, it's people telling you exactly what will happen. Because it has already happened on retail, and is still currently happening to retail.

 

Nost was built and played by people who do not want what you would consider, "QoL" improvements.

 

But again, if you don't like how it was back then, go play on another private server. Or go play retail.

[Overtime 6]

Respec, repairs, arrows/drinks/food, auction fees and riding are the only things taking gold away from the game - enough said.

 

I do like 5g respec since healers and tanks can do their farming more properly but it's not authentic experience. I suggest lvling a farming alt.

Edited November 23, 2016 by Overtime

[Banjomissen 0]

I don't understand the whole "it's not Blizzlike so we don't want it" as alot of things aren't Blizzlike. Nost / Elysium makes the changes they see fit even if it's not Blizzlike. I'm sure they have a goal to keep it as Blizzlike as possible but a reason to why a thing shouldn't be changed can't really be "It's not Blizzlike".

[Frylord 4]

I don't understand the whole "it's not Blizzlike so we don't want it" as alot of things aren't Blizzlike. Nost / Elysium makes the changes they see fit even if it's not Blizzlike. I'm sure they have a goal to keep it as Blizzlike as possible but a reason to why a thing shouldn't be changed can't really be "It's not Blizzlike".

 

When people say Blizzlike in regards to vanilla, it's mostly mainly meant in one of two ways.

 

1, if it wasn't on live at the time, we don't want it. I.e, changing respec costs, riding skill gold reduction, etc.

2, the philosophy Blizzard had in regards to game design at the time, i.e everything was difficult. Making flasks required to go deep into high lvl dungeons, high gold sinks, etc.

 

Nost was entirely designed around these 2 principles, I think the only thing they changed was dynamic spawning to cope with the much higher player count.

 

It's not surprising people are against suggestions that are quite literally the antithesis of what Nost was designed to be, and would just turn it into another crappy private server with better scripting if ever implemented.

 

And that's not even going into the fact that a lot of bitter vets watched as these "harmless" QoL improvements slowly turned the best MMO they ever played into what retail is today.

[Lifealert 19]

I don't understand the whole "it's not Blizzlike so we don't want it" as alot of things aren't Blizzlike. Nost / Elysium makes the changes they see fit even if it's not Blizzlike. I'm sure they have a goal to keep it as Blizzlike as possible but a reason to why a thing shouldn't be changed can't really be "It's not Blizzlike".

Gotmilk stop making so many alternate accounts just to agree with yourself.

[Netski 0]

I think, the reduced respec cost can be a helpful.

It is not game changing in the way of unfair advantage, it can help many healers to also play with a dmg spec. I want to do this.

It can help to find more tanks and healer for dungeons, that can switch between dmg spec and heal/tank spec.

 

Even if it is not blizzlike, like many new addons you can use nowadays, i would like to have cheap respec.

It helps like the dynamic respawn rate. <-- not vanilla blizzlike, for the blizzlike Fanboys.

 

 

this is my opinion.

[killerduki 54]

Over time reduced respec causes inflation issues since there really isn't many gold SINKS past your epic riding skill. 

 

Agree 100%

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Pottu 290]

There are already very few gold sinks. Gold is an unlimited resource in WoW and after buying your epic mount & skill, your raiding reagents and consumables, taking care of your repair bill - well, there's nothing else to use your gold on. So paying 50 gold every time you switch between PvP and PvE spec at least removes a little bit of gold from circulation.

 

Furthermore, players who cannot afford it, have to then do either PvE or PvP in sub-optimal spec, which brings variety to the game, or even try using a hybrid spec.

 

We are not going to change the costs to re-spec.