Fresh server last makes absolutely no sense

[maverick 11]

Man the total illiteracy on this board is amazing.

 

Also the delusion and total lack of critical thought.

 

Please, stay on Nostalrius aka The Ghost Server

go outside.

[Drain 19]

The fresh server will be behind regardless. Don't you know anything about the timeline? The Nost PVP server was out for over a year, and guilds have T2 on farm status. You think a few weeks from a fresh server is going to make all the difference? Most players won't even be 60 or start raiding yet in this time period. Your precious fresh server will be miles behind, regardless of releasing first or not. It will always be in a shadow behind the older ones. This is supposed to be the entire point of a fresh server. You don't have anything, and you have a reset timeline. You want this, yet complain about a few weeks?

 

It makes every bit of sense for the older ones to come first. People were already invested in it, and have been without it most of the year at this point. The fresh ones haven't even started yet. While I'd prefer for all of them to launch together, this makes more sense, if that isn't happening. But I would also hope we get transfers to it to control the population, meaning it basically isn't "fresh". But this isn't going to happen. We'll probably have to wait for even more servers for that to happen. I really don't want another overloaded 15k disaster. Just make more realms and take transfers, paid or not, but no miserable 15k pop please.

[Undertanker 88]

I really don't want another overloaded 15k disaster. Just make more realms and take transfers, paid or not, but no miserable 15k pop please.

 

Server caps will take care of that for you.   

[Drain 19]

Only up to an extent. If there's too many players, more realms with transfers are needed. I doubt they're going to let us transfer over to the fresh realm.

[tercenya 0]

~ Faith ~

 

Hey, I like you. You seem smart and I like your way of thinking. What realm will you pick? Could I interest you in joining our guild in Elysium? PM me or something.

[Undertanker 88]

Not looking forward to 3k-6k daily queue? 

[Zappa 7]

just wanting to participate before closure...

[Uncle Ganus of Clan McAnus 0]

 Hey, I like you. You seem smart and I like your way of thinking.

 

By Alleria's long-lost virginity, I say !! This is what vanilla WoW is all about !!!

[Wirago 8]

with server caps im thinking more then 3 realms will be a necessity. but theres no real way to tell what our numbers are gonna be just yet anyways so i guess we need to wait

 

Do not forget that a lot people will quit before they even reach lvl60.

Same happened on retail after each addon. First days it is like hell but then the rush on the servers slows down

[Undertanker 88]

Pretty much ^  When you are in the newbie zone.... look to your left.....look to your right.   Those people will not be playing past level 40.

[DM1234 10]

One thing they could consider would be to speed up the content release on the Fresh Elysium server until it matches Old Nos. Wouldn't close the gap before AQ but could potentially introduced x-realm battlegrounds if the gear isn't too far apart.

[maverick 11]

The fresh server will be behind regardless. Don't you know anything about the timeline? The Nost PVP server was out for over a year, and guilds have T2 on farm status. You think a few weeks from a fresh server is going to make all the difference? Most players won't even be 60 or start raiding yet in this time period. Your precious fresh server will be miles behind, regardless of releasing first or not. It will always be in a shadow behind the older ones. This is supposed to be the entire point of a fresh server. You don't have anything, and you have a reset timeline. You want this, yet complain about a few weeks?

 

It makes every bit of sense for the older ones to come first. People were already invested in it, and have been without it most of the year at this point. The fresh ones haven't even started yet. While I'd prefer for all of them to launch together, this makes more sense, if that isn't happening. But I would also hope we get transfers to it to control the population, meaning it basically isn't "fresh". But this isn't going to happen. We'll probably have to wait for even more servers for that to happen. I really don't want another overloaded 15k disaster. Just make more realms and take transfers, paid or not, but no miserable 15k pop please.

10k was playable, and my country has the worst connection on the planet, if you struggled at 10k then your internet service is trash, and thats not my problem or the majority of the playerbases. i agree that 15k was a disaster.

[Aisar87 0]

Old players/community deserves their servers first, if they released fresh first it would be a total madhouse with extended overpop issues and offering a fresh start alternative right off the bat would hurt the pop of the older servers.

 

Never seemed that difficult to understand.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Aisar87

[Erwinst 0]

If you were literate, you would see this argument is about the health of the community overall.

 

TRY ONE MORE TIME:

By deprioritizing the fresh server, you are deprioritizing newcomers and the stability of the community.

You are enforcing that the old players should be superior to the new players forever, which I believe is the entire point for you.

 

New players who are excited to start playing will not have the same opportunities to make their mark on the server. They will have to follow the lead of the already established people and not have the chance to carve their own way through the content.

"Old server first" ensures that new players will not be able to compete with old players and that they will not have the same incentives to plant roots into our community. It kills the leveling hype. It creates an unnatural situation where players will be coming back with their same character but totally different guilds. It creates technical challenges of having too much content to provide support for all at once. It's just a bad idea that doesn't make any sense.

 

do you have any response to that besides "ALSIDJFALSEJOASJOI STOP DISAGREEING WITH ME"?

 

 

are you seriously such a spoiled brat, that you can't wait for a -FREE- server, created by people who love the game, for a couple of weeks? This triggers me so bad, you entitled little brat

Edited December 7, 2016 by Erwinst

[Aisar87 0]

There's a huge difference between playable and enjoyable. Playing with 1-2 second input delay is "playable" as in you are able to play - doesn't make it enjoyable.

Nost pvp started heavily shitting itself in terms of performance and input delay past the 6-7k people mark.

And it's not an internet service problem.

I wouldn't even say 1-2 second input delay is playable because it makes the game suck to play.  I'll have a hard time sticking to leveling if I have to put up with that garbage.

[Erwinst 0]

You really don't know when enough is enough?

 

None really care what you think, except you parents, maybe. If you feel like you need to win every argument that you possibly can come up with, get your self a pet. In grown up's world people will occasionally disagree with you about this and that, and frankly, you won't be able to change their mind no matter how hard you try. Learn to deal with it, and above all,

 

Stop this pointless conversation, already...

oh and btw, this ^

[Erwinst 0]

For those complaining on both sides of the aisle here's the logic I see in the choice. I'll also mention I'm personally for a fresh release at the same time simply because that is where I want to be.

 

Releasing Nost first and waiting on the fresh server isn't about making sure the fresh server is capable and bug free. Its instead about giving the old Nost servers time to recover as old Nost players will go there first because they have characters there and its open. Many old Nost players won't be returning surely and many guilds will be in disarray because lacking key raid roles and needing to replace and fill. A number of new players will go to the old server simply because its available telling themselves they will just swap when the fresh server comes out but in reality many will stay if they achieve any decent level and/or meet friends or a supportive Nost guild. This helps build Nosts population and fill in where Nost lost players.

 

Releasing the fresh server at the same time would draw all the new players there for sure first off because they have a chance to be in the top while few will make it to the top as always. A fair amount of old Nost players will roll fresh as well unless they were solid in raiding already. Nost players who go back to Nost will see a loss already in lost Nost players who simply didn't return and then also those who went to the fresh server. Raid guilds would be in disarray and with fewer numbers and no fresh players those players would slowly over a couple of weeks leave or move to the fresh server. The old Nost would end up with a low population and a ghost town likely while the fresh server would be getting most of the players.

 

I see it as sacrificing an extra month or two for new players who want to wait who haven't yet contributed and have already waited many years often in hopes of a real official classic server. What they get for that sacrifice is the old Nost players getting to have their servers back and repopulate throwing them a bone of sorts instead of setting them up for a sure failure of recovering their servers and progress. Yes it sucks majorly for us new players being put 2nd (well we are 2nd tbh and its a fitting place) and having to wait additional time for the benefit of the old servers and players. However we managed to go years w/o classic wow already while the old Nost players are the ones who are set up to lose everything should they not get a head start.

 

Now personally I'd say the logical thing that also makes the most sense as far as sorting bugs and other issues would be just starting fresh for all. After all this isn't Nost anymore or even Valkyrie. Its pretty much a new wow classic server experience and after all in the end no one is actually owed anything. But then that is just my opinion also made by my own interests at heart because the truth is my enjoyment means far more to me then everyone else's but then isn't that normal way of thinking as we play for our own fun and not someone else's. 

FINALLY someone with reason, thank you sir

[Undertanker 88]

except you parents, maybe. 

 

[Jambi 0]

oh for christsake close this thread.

What is the problem? Are we not allowed to discuss and express opinion here?

 

Get out of here with your "Old Nost Master Race" bullshit and calling everyone with another opinion than yours trolls. 

 

 

I fully agree with OP.

[Jambi 0]

Not looking forward to 3k-6k daily queue? 

 

That's what will happen when you don't release the fresh server along with the other servers at the same time. 

 

YOU will pay for this decision!

[Aisar87 0]

That's what will happen when you don't release the fresh server along with the other servers at the same time. 

 

YOU will pay for this decision!

Releasing fresh at the same time would only cause old pvp to die faster than it inevitably will.  At least this way the impatient kiddos will roll on old pvp because they can't wait and a lot of them will stay there.  I hope a lot of them roll old pvp and stay so we don't have to deal with them when my server finally releases /fingerscrossed

[Dralek 5]

Releasing fresh at the same time would only cause old pvp to die faster than it inevitably will.  At least this way the impatient kiddos will roll on old pvp because they can't wait and a lot of them will stay there.  I hope a lot of them roll old pvp and stay so we don't have to deal with them when my server finally releases /fingerscrossed

 

But then, that would mean you are trying to direct people to play something that is not their first choice, for the sake of those who choose to play old nost pvp. Its giving priority to the need of others while ignoring the rest.

 

I think its reasonable that a few players that are looking foward to play the fresh pvp feel dissapointed it hasn't even been announced, and is expected to be released at a much later date.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Dralek

[Erwinst 0]

But then, that would mean you are trying to direct people to play something that is not their first choice, for the sake of those who choose to play old nost pvp. Its giving priority to the need of others while ignoring the rest.

 

I think its reasonable that a few players that are looking foward to play the fresh pvp feel dissapointed it hasn't even been announced, and is expected to be released at a much later date.

Oh lord, here we go again... 

Can you guys PLEASE comprehend that the most effective solution is to release the Nost servers first for the community to regenerate and go back to normal after the closing of the server, and that waiting 2-3 weeks for a fresh server which is provided for FREE CANNOT be disappointing? The hype for the fresh server is so huge that the amount of players will be more than enough, and at least thanks to that the population on nost will be healthy. Not to mention that if it wasn't for Nostalrius merging with Elysium you guys wouldn't be having this hype AT ALL.  I've got a 60 on Nostalrius myself, full end-game and I'm also rolling fresh, you don't see me going around moaning all the time. No, because I'm not self-centered and I actually acknowledge the strategy of Elysium and the effort they are putting in for all of us. Stop crying, it's the closest we can get to a consensus!!!! CLOSE THIS THREAD

Edited December 7, 2016 by Erwinst

[Aisar87 0]

But then, that would mean you are trying to direct people to play something that is not their first choice, for the sake of those who choose to play old nost pvp. Its giving priority to the need of others while ignoring the rest.

 

I think its reasonable that a few players that are looking foward to play the fresh pvp feel dissapointed it hasn't even been announced, and is expected to be released at a much later date.

The choices are either play on the first server available because you just want to get in or wait.  It's not releasing old servers first just for the sake of people who willingly choose to roll there, there is an entire established community who were here first and their characters are going to be on those servers.  New blood should never come first, respect to the OGs.

[Milarepa 1]

are you seriously such a spoiled brat, that you can't wait for a -FREE- server, created by people who love the game, for a couple of weeks? This triggers me so bad, you entitled little brat

 

Yeah pretty much.  The whining culture of WoW is a phenomenon that will never go away.  If we go on the Blizzard forums right now half the posts will be whine posts.  People have mommy and daddy issues and project them into Blizzard or in this case Nost/Elysium.

 

I want to play on the fresh server too but it never even remotely dawned on me to complain about it on the forums.  Reasons:  1) Nost team explained the delay, it makes sense, it is perfectly logical, 2) I'm a grown up who is capable of waiting for something really cool.

 

Imagine being the parents of these kids,  "Mommy I want to open Santa's presents NOW!  Not 3 weeks from now, RIGHT NOW!"

Edited December 7, 2016 by Shridevi