@Pottu

[diarrhea 0]

genuine question - i know you're a GM and it's your job to make sure people aren't doing illegal things or posting extremely offensive things but how come over the past year or so, time and time again you've come into threads butting into conversations that don't concern you, are between two people (who aren't you) and you have to like put your own little spin on things, edit people's messages, and just be sort of nosy?

 

i had a girlfriend one time who would do this - always had something to say about every little thing, even when no one is talking to her, or it doesn't concern her in any way, I'm not with her anymore and everyone thought she was literally the worst

 

if you've got to edit this post or ban me or somehow punish me for asking this then so be it, I'm not trying to be mean or rude or anything it's just something that's sort of bugged me for a while. GM's and moderators are important so that people aren't posting spam or porn or just being completely out of line but I feel often times you're very heavy-handed with your power and presence on both the nost forums and here.. are people not allowed to dislike each other? fond memories of the official WoW forums from back in the day - what was fun was logging into them and reading the latest in drama, daily happenings, and lots of @ posts at notable forum regulars on your respective server. the blizzard forum mods tended to let the people to their own devices and hash things out.

 

something to think about (: not intended as a troll post or trying to flame Pottu but I know I'm not the only one who thinks this, we're all just sort of biting our tongues because historically I think bringing anything up has resulted in some sort of ban or punishment.

[Undertanker 88]

Username checks out.

[killerduki 54]

i had a girlfriend one time who would do this - always had something to say about every little thing, even when no one is talking to her, or it doesn't concern her in any way, I'm not with her anymore and everyone thought she was literally the worst

 

are people not allowed to dislike each other?

 

I bet that girlfriend was most lucky in her life for not being with you anymore.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 8, 2016 by killerduki

[Undertanker 88]

Duki emerges from the priest forums to redeem himself!!!! LoL

[Elviss 5]

Duki emerges from the priest forums to redeem himself!!!! LoL

rofl

[diarrhea 0]

I bet that girlfriend was most lucky in her life not being with you anymore.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

 

it was in your thread that I saw pottu make edits/delete posts that inspired me to say something on the matter.

 

so someone was likely flaming you and in response you were probably flaming him back and that's all well and good

 

but then pottu pops in to tell you guys to cool it and just put eachother on ignore

 

was it his business to begin with? were you being so out of line to where he needed to delete or edit your posts?

[killerduki 54]

Duki emerges from the priest forums to redeem himself!!!! LoL

 

We have to adapt in the situation

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[killerduki 54]

1-it was in your thread that I saw pottu make edits/delete posts that inspired me to say something on the matter.

 

2-so someone was likely flaming you and in response you were probably flaming him back and that's all well and good

 

3-but then pottu pops in to tell you guys to cool it and just put eachother on ignore

 

4-was it his business to begin with? were you being so out of line to where he needed to delete or edit your posts?

 

1- he was doing his job (it was not me only) and that was temporary because they had issue with edit.

 

2- It's not good , but as long we doing it in "proper way" without insults/offensive by expressing point of views (regardless how headache discussion is) is all ok.

 

3- when he come to tell me or anyone too cool it , that mean we are crossing the red line and it is good way warning us before we go too far.

 

4- yes it is his business , he was assigned for that and doing it perfect job, in every nation you need order , same here , in every project need some rules and this is very common everywhere.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited December 8, 2016 by killerduki

[Aslan 0]

Rarely seen a thread that wasnt lifted up by Pottus presence or interference.

 

Can you make a specific exemple? Usually its simply a "cut the spam" edit when its spam or "take off your tinfoil hat" when someone comes out with a false conspiracy concerning the project or "cut the insults" when slippry is at it again. Or well... locking threads that demand lower respecc costs .

I didnt see him interfere him somewhere before there was a risk of people coming to that place for the off-topic drama over the original purpose of the thread, which would have made further on-topic discussion impossible.

 

But Im not here to over-defend someone, just post your exemples please.

Edited December 8, 2016 by Aslan

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@killerduki

 

i was a regular poster and reader of the official blizzard forums for my realm back in Vanilla and TBC. I just don't remember moderators who were anywhere as heavy handed as what i've seen from Pottu. it was a VERY rare occurrence that someone's post would be deleted or edited by a moderator. discussion developed organically and everyone had a great time.

 

as unfunny as the meme is, there was an instance I remember where people were making Chuck Norris jokes or something along those lines, or linking Thunderfury, everyone was enjoying themselves roleplaying as annoying twelve year olds on retail Vanilla, and Pottu had to step in and literally tell people to change topics or risk a mute or something? it just seems a little too strong.....

[diarrhea 0]

Rarely seen a thread that wasnt lifted up by Pottus presence or interference.

 

Can you make a specific exemple? Usually its simply a "cut the spam" edit when its spam or "take off your tinfoil hat" when someone comes out with a false conspiracy concerning the project or "cut the insults" when slippry is at it again. Or well... locking threads that demand lower respecc costs .

I didnt see him interfere him somewhere before there was a risk of people coming to that place for the off-topic drama over the original purpose of the thread, which would have made further on-topic discussion impossible.

 

But Im not here to over-defend someone, just post your exemples please.

 

i suppose the point is, that it's a forum that is driven by the community. does someone need to really be a mediator and try to direct the flow of conversation one way or another? "cut the spam" just doesn't make sense to me. if an overwhelmingly large group of people begin talking about off-topic matters in a thread, that's literally just people talking. if someone makes a far-fetched conspiracy theory regarding the project, is that so harmful to where it needs to be censored? is that harmful at all?

 

perhaps the point I'm trying to make, is everyone comes to forums and posts for their own reasons, maybe some people like to troll, maybe some people like to discuss important matters, maybe some people come here for other reasons. Pottu has his own compass of how he likes to use forums but that shouldn't be the rails on which everyone else has to adhere to

[Gehere 8]

before pottu moderation http://archive.is/6IdJ7

 

after pottu moderation http://archive.is/WtTLe

 

was the first comment really in need of to removal just because it make //kind regards look like an idiot? 

 

Perfect example of good moderation.

 

Nice job, Pottu.

[Undertanker 88]

So you are saying Blizzard mods were overpaid and bad at their job. Why did they allow more free range? Cause the money from subscription mattered more. Since Blizzard allowing duel boxing, excessive griefing, and what not.

[Shayss 43]

Kek,

 

This is a locked topic if ever I saw one xD

 

Pottu is ok.

[Phnom 1]

I find Pottu very well needed and in most of the cases fair - and in the cases he is not, I try to remember that he has to politely explain how things are to atleast one "I CAN'T CONNECT TO THE SERVER?!"-dude each and every day on the Nostalrious forum since it was shut down (and lately maybe on this forum aswell).

Though, how is the paragraph below a personal attack? Where do you draw the line? I find this more in line with "My advice to you is to stop drinking as I am worried about your health". This is from the Nostalrious forum, from the links provided in earlier posts.

"Duki, this obsession is turning off your brain. For example: *Stated example* 

People are actually quite fond of you. You are clearly passionate and can be very convincing somtimes. But because of this the Elysium thread, the server you are supposed to promote has been temporarily shut down. YOu're goig from an asset to a liability. Reconsider the image you are giving on the Elysium brand. It's not good mate."

I had a post removed on this forum asking Killerduki to not spread so much information claiming it be "stated facts". Not sure who did this though, as I have not been provided informed about it. The text was not very much apart from providing examples of how Killerduki was proven wrong and yet going on with his, well, assumed facts? (Lies in my eyes) 

How is this Killerduki getting away with what I would argue to be trolling, but people calling him out are being silenced? I'm mostly talking about his latests posts in Priest and Warrior subforum, but as it seems there is much more to it.

I can mostly hold my feelings, but this matter, this censorship of people criticizing people like Killerduki.. it is driving me legitimatly crazy. What's the point? He is spreading so much bullsh*t.

Apologies if this is not in line with the thread. I'm happy if anyone reads it and forms an opinion on the matter.

[Storfan 24]

Pottu is needed to control the rabbelous plebs.

 

If you dont like it, please move on.

[Phnom 1]

I think we all agree to that, Storfan. And he deserves a medal for his work.

Still, what is wrong and what is right? Who is to decide this, unchallenged? 

Edit: 

As a moderator you surely are to decide certain things. But my concern in this matter is how he appears to be taking sides, and with which I disagree.
 

Edited December 8, 2016 by Phnom

[Pottu 290]

Whether Killerduki or anyone else is right or wrong when it comes to theorycrafting does not matter. That is for the community to debate and come to a conclusion. You are not allowed to spam his or anyone else's thread with reaction GIFs or spam posts. Same goes for personal attacks outside of PvP banter, where we allow a little more leeway. I am not here as the thought police nor is any other GM. Any poster gets moderated when they break the rules, we do not take sides.

 

OP conveniently left out all the vomit-inducing diarrhea that had to be cleaned from the forums on a daily basis. I know and understand that a certain subset of our players enjoy such things and are just fine with it, yet they are actually a small minority and can, through their behaviour, drive away other players from using the forums. As our rules state, we cannot and do not allow all kinds of discussions on the forums. You do not have any sort of explicit right to post here and we must maintain a basic level of civility when it comes to posting, in order to accommodate all of our player base. This also goes the other way - a post or a thread will not be removed just because it hurts the feelings of someone, if it is otherwise acceptable.

 

If you feel strongly that I - or any other GM - has acted inappropriately regarding a specific thread and/or post, then please contact Snow, Ruse or Suzerain about it. And OP, ironically you have a very nostalgia-tinted view of official WoW forums moderation.