DM east/DM north/ZG croc farming?

[stushx 0]

Wait so why are we removing content from the game entirely again? Is the goal to give every single class+spec in the game equal opportunities? Are we forgetting that some classes always have and always will be considered the "farming classes" of vanilla wow? Or are we just trying to slow down progress any which way possible? What other kinds of "balancing" the game can we expect to see in the future? What about people who like to play the game with the main purpose of soloing group content for fun, will there be no place on this server for those people? Is soloing any kind of group content inherently frowned upon by this server? Because I know for me myself at least, the biggest payoff for playing on a well scripted server is being able to kite + solo the way we could back in real vanilla, which you obviously can't do on poor scripts.

Can I expect to see everything from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XgF_P9Ddjk these videos to be removed from the game also? As well as everything Faxmonkey solo'd? Just to be clear, all I want is for these things to remain doable, I don't care about how "hard" they may be made.

Edited December 23, 2016 by stushx

[Lavos 0]

What did they do to Bijou and DM North farming? I know they ваууed DM East farm with the pathing but its still doable. If you're talking about the loot, DM East and Bijou farm was nerfed well before Nost died :/

 

Agreed with you 100%. I knew this would be coming when they decided to вау Hunters farming Gordok in DM:N. We don't want to play on some server with custom scripting...

[cybaster 31]

They're cock blocking the instanced gold farming sources most favored by gold sellers.  I cannot think of a better strategy to strangle those people on a server where they cannot make ends meet outside of instances due to extreme population and murder squads (on two our of three servers).

 

It's one of the few changes to the original I'm glad to accept.  It's a minor annoyance for real players like you and me and a catastrophic problem for those economy spoiling degenerates.

[Aituul 0]

I'm curious, what exactly did they do to dm east besides change the speed of a few patrols? I still farm it, same route as i always took, and it seems to work well enough. Did they nerf the drop rate or anything though? I remember making around 50/g an hour with the route i take, should still be the same? 

 

I do agree it can be kind of disappointing and discouraging to have your favorite spot nerfed, but that's just the way of things imo. Even on retail, you never know when their going to nerf a farm spot, have to adapt and deal with it. ... Would hope that they only nerf them sparingly though, because it is kind of disappointing if your used to farming a certain area. 

[stushx 0]

What did they do to Bijou and DM North farming? I know they ваууed DM East farm with the pathing but its still doable. If you're talking about the loot, DM East and Bijou farm was nerfed well before Nost died :/

 

Agreed with you 100%. I knew this would be coming when they decided to вау Hunters farming Gordok in DM:N. We don't want to play on some server with custom scripting...

crocs dont drop bijous, DM north is supposedly impossible and now potentially overtuning lashers... it will be maraudon next cause people will cry "hunters can SOLO(solo!) the boss for their bis ring its so unbalance pls ban everyoen" even tho lvl50 instance

 

They're cock blocking the instanced gold farming sources most favored by gold sellers.

 

hahahahah this is my favorite meme, how cute is it that people think "gold sellers" actually play games to get the gold to sell ??

Edited December 23, 2016 by stushx

[Swineflu 18]

I'm not sure why Nostalrius famous "blizzlike" philosophy is suddenly not relevant when talking about farming spots. Why is it fine to make custom content for certain things like Dire maul/ZG, but not for other things?

[Tholren 7]

Blizzlike is meant to be a philosophy, not a literal everything-must-be-as-it-was. Should vanilla never have progressed through to TBC then these spots would indeed have been nerfed to hell and back, because they do ruin the economy. It's a change for the better. 

[Swineflu 18]

Blizzlike is meant to be a philosophy, not a literal everything-must-be-as-it-was. Should vanilla never have progressed through to TBC then these spots would indeed have been nerfed to hell and back, because they do ruin the economy. It's a change for the better. 

I had no idea you worked for blizzard and was privvy to their internal discussion regarding vanilla farming methods, please do share.

[cybaster 31]

I hope the devs continue this trend to such a degree of severity that it becomes uniformly less effective for a soloing level 60 to get gold from instances than from open world farming.

 

hahahahah this is my favorite meme, how cute is it that people think "gold sellers" actually play games to get the gold to sell ??

 

Purge the safe spaces where the bots and human drones reside, and suddenly gold sellers will have to fight real players to make ends meet.  That's an apocalyptic scenario for someone making a living off of parasitizing a videogame economy, particularly on PVP servers.

[Shayss 43]

I hope the devs continue this trend to such a degree of severity that it becomes uniformly less effective for a soloing level 60 to get gold from instances than from open world farming.

 

 

Purge the safe spaces where the bots and human drones reside, and suddenly gold sellers will have to fight real players to make ends meet.  That's an apocalyptic scenario for someone making a living off of parasitizing a videogame economy, particularly on PVP servers.

 

Are you for real? hahaha, you got no clue xD

[Tholren 7]

I had no idea you worked for blizzard and was privvy to their internal discussion regarding vanilla farming methods, please do share.

 

I do not work for Blizzard, but I am not deprived of cognitive capabilities and thus can and do reach logical conclusions over subjects to which I dedicate brainpower. The unbalance brought upon by these farming methods, as they were and in a long term scenario, would be rather negative for the economy of the server. Furthermore the Elysium team has to deal with a far greater population than Blizzard had per single server, thus the necessity to apply different balancing tips, maintaining the original feel from vanilla, as much as it can be preserved. 

 

Thank you for trying to pass the salt, but I have more than enough as is.

[Worldstar 36]

I do not work for Blizzard, but I am not deprived of cognitive capabilities and thus can and do reach logical conclusions over subjects to which I dedicate brainpower. The unbalance brought upon by these farming methods, as they were and in a long term scenario, would be rather negative for the economy of the server. Furthermore the Elysium team has to deal with a far greater population than Blizzard had per single server, thus the necessity to apply different balancing tips, maintaining the original feel from vanilla, as much as it can be preserved. 

 

Thank you for trying to pass the salt, but I have more than enough as is.

Well that's like, your opinion, man.

[Shayss 43]

 thus the necessity to apply different balancing tips, maintaining the original feel from vanilla, as much as it can be preserved.

 

You are so full of s.hit, it is literally pouring out of every orifice.

 

Gold farmers don't make their gold from actively farming gold. They hack accounts and abuse bugs. Then they sell it to retards. There are always retards, therefore they will always be able to continue thier bullshit. The changes to DM:E with the extra pack IS blizzlike (The last boss calling all the packs around him, I don't think that is...), DM:N was a BLATANT custom change (not a fix, a change, and yes, Gordok hitting harder than Ragnaros is NOT blizzlike). ZG "fix" is also not blizzlike.

 

I've said it before, actively changing things away from the philosophy of trying to make this project as close to retail as possible is a very very slippery slope.

 

PS: To anyone who doesn't know, Tholren is one of those newfags who actively want to make changes to Vanilla, look at almost any "model change", "make-my-life-easy" thread and you will more than likely see this scum in there.

Edited December 24, 2016 by Shayss

[Rayaleith 2]

I think they should either stop intervening to blizzard original design, or solve more problems (like allow tag with dots etc). 

Edited December 24, 2016 by Rayaleith

[Shayss 43]

(like allow tag with dots etc). 

 

That's not blizzlike. In vanilla damage tags mobs. A DoT takes time to tick.

No damage = No tag

Edited December 24, 2016 by Shayss

[Morathe 5]

I had no idea you worked for blizzard and was privvy to their internal discussion regarding vanilla farming methods, please do share.

 

And here kids is a fine example of smartass reply of an individual that ran out of arguments. Watch and learn.

[Guryev 1]

I hope the devs continue this trend to such a degree of severity that it becomes uniformly less effective for a soloing level 60 to get gold from instances than from open world farming.

 

 

Purge the safe spaces where the bots and human drones reside, and suddenly gold sellers will have to fight real players to make ends meet.  That's an apocalyptic scenario for someone making a living off of parasitizing a videogame economy, particularly on PVP servers.

I took a trip through badlands to try and pick up some elemental earth. It is camped to ваууing hell, often by your same faction which you can do nothing about

I'm all for encouraging open world exploration but its simply not worth it with this server pop.

and meanwhile they are creating custom content for no reason without explanation and moving farther away from actually being a blizzlike server 

 

btw I'll find gold either way but you better have a damn good reason for making these kinds of changes and you god damn sure better report them and have the player base slam you for them rightfully

Edited December 24, 2016 by ceoddyn

[Morathe 5]

I do not work for Blizzard, but I am not deprived of cognitive capabilities and thus can and do reach logical conclusions over subjects to which I dedicate brainpower. The unbalance brought upon by these farming methods, as they were and in a long term scenario, would be rather negative for the economy of the server. Furthermore the Elysium team has to deal with a far greater population than Blizzard had per single server, thus the necessity to apply different balancing tips, maintaining the original feel from vanilla, as much as it can be preserved. 

 

Thank you for trying to pass the salt, but I have more than enough as is.

 

QFT and its coming from a hunter here. I actually rolled hunter at first also following argument that i'd be able to farm dm north tributes and at first it really pissed me off they made it rather impossible (its possible with a lot of rng not gonna go into details). I mean honestly I dont think lot of bots would be able to solo dm north tribute run so the change mainly hit the talented soloers. But its hard to make a change to make it hard for bots without hurting genuine players. Keep in mind Blizzard have 1 solid way to keep flood of bots in check... they need to buy a game. Its a risk factor for them if they decide to buy 100 accounts and make a mistake in vpn/proxy/bot settings that leads to very fast perma ban. 

[Morathe 5]

I mean they are still pretty shady with those changes. Like dont get me wrong dm n was bugged and it made veeeeeeeeeeeery easy to solo last boss if you could just splitpull one. They made a "fix" that made it nearly impossible to solo this even without splitpulling. Just to clarify the change was so you can't pull gordok alone. But the way it worked on retail is that if you're alone on a aggro list gordok CAN NEVER EVER CHARGE. On this server he charges your randomly no matter what so its impossible to kite him thus making it impossible. The only possible way to kill him is keep pet on him and keep him outta los all the time, still ull have to drop distracting shots and here comes rng cause u gotta beg rng gods he dont decide to charge you in that brief period u have to be in los. 

 

All in all its still possible to solo him "for fun". Its just not possible to use this instance for good gold/hour thing.

[Klimpen 1]

I hope the devs continue this trend to such a degree of severity that it becomes uniformly less effective for a soloing level 60 to get gold from instances than from open world farming.

 

 

Purge the safe spaces where the bots and human drones reside, and suddenly gold sellers will have to fight real players to make ends meet.  That's an apocalyptic scenario for someone making a living off of parasitizing a videogame economy, particularly on PVP servers.

This, very much this.

 

 

The thing you people that defend these methods don't seem to realize is that if gold is more difficult to come by, then the price of everything will drop.

 

These changes will have a great impact on the fresh server and will result in not as crazy inflation of an economy that Nostalrius PvP has.

[Worldstar 36]

Lotsa butt hurt people about tiny as вау changes.

Classic Internet.

If you think these changes are tiny to the economy then you are out of touch with Vanilla.

[Shayss 43]

The thing you people that defend these methods don't seem to realize is that if gold is more difficult to come by, then the price of everything will drop.

 

These changes will have a great impact on the fresh server and will result in not as crazy inflation of an economy that Nostalrius PvP has.

 

This is the first actual valid response so far in this thread.

 

It still doesn't make custom changes alright, but I can see the point you are making.

 

This does mean that Gold farmers will make more $$$ from thier gold though. As I already stated in  post #13, they don't farm gold. They farm accounts.

 

The reason for the custom changes is to limit gold. Nothing changes for the average player, only gold farmers benefit.

[Morathe 5]

Ye i gotta agree. Making gold impossible to farm via soloing instances sure makes prices drop but at the same time make gold value increase. So gold farmers dont care... they just go and farm subpar lower level instanes and sell all greens/blues that they get in higher quantities and/or sell gold for more $. So in that light I dont really see how making them impossible to solo is doing anything in that matter (but at the same time its quite a pr hit when you consider some people will just not play here saying "lol custom server" and they'd be right).

 

In my book things should be as hard as vanilla but soloable for geared/talented players. Obviously bugged mechanics that makes even green fresh 60s able to farm tribute is a no go but the "fix" they offered is equally bad depending on how you look at it. 

[gotmilk0112 10]

Purge the safe spaces where the bots and human drones reside, and suddenly gold sellers will have to fight real players to make ends meet.  That's an apocalyptic scenario for someone making a living off of parasitizing a videogame economy, particularly on PVP servers.

His point was that gold sellers don't JUST farm gold, they just break into peoples' accounts and steal their gold.

 

Why farm 10 hours to get 300 gold when you can just phish for account information and steal 2000 gold in 1 minute?

Edited December 24, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[duds 0]

shitting on methods that legit players enjoy and use to get gold in a blizzlike manor just to stop gold selling is stupid. i know many people who play certain classes or play just to farm certain things because its their favorite thing to do in vanilla.

 

get better at catching gold sellers, dont stop gold farming techniques because of them... if leaving these methods up so gold sellers can farm gold easily and eventually "ruin the economy" is letting them win then surely ruining certain aspects of the game for real players is letting them win even more.

Edited December 24, 2016 by duds