Ironfoe Nerf - [Confirmed]

[Storfan 24]

Ironfoe was nerfed on Elysium prior to the merge with Nostalrius. The Nerf (Actually a blizzlike-fix) had been carried over to Nostalrius aswell. On Nostalrius it was exactly 10% before.

 

60/1020=0,0588235294117647 = 5.8% proc chance.

 

 

 

EDIT: Clarification. The test was carried out during a Full MC-clear with only Ironfoe used the entire run.

Edited December 24, 2016 by Storfan

[Theloras 108]

what was its proc rate before?

[Storfan 24]

what was its proc rate before?

I mention it in the first post. It was 10%.

[Theloras 108]

I mention it in the first post. It was 10%.

 

sorry im sick as fook and high on meds - didnt see it - thanks

[birday 1]

Fury perspective:

Sucks but i think Ironfoe is still pretty good with world buffs. I'll post some numbers when i have done a full worldbuffed BWL run (prob. next week)

Without worldbuffs it's really underwhelming now. =( I'm ragestarved

 

Btw the nerf is okay. Kronos had 10% as well and IF was totally over the top.

Edited December 25, 2016 by birday

[Storfan 24]

Fury perspective:

Sucks but i think Ironfoe is still pretty good with world buffs. I'll post some numbers when i have done a full worldbuffed BWL run (prob. next week)

Without worldbuffs it's really underwhelming now. =( I'm ragestarved

 

Btw the nerf is okay. Kronos had 10% as well and IF was totally over the top.

Yeah, as I said above. Ironfoe was VERY OP before the nerf and is still VERY powerful, just not "over the top" like it used to. It's definitely still comparable to most MC/BWL weapons.

[kwazzy 2]

The weapon is still good, and I guess the proc is blizzlike. However the evidence is always vague.

[Storfan 24]

The weapon is still good, and I guess the proc is blizzlike. However the evidence is always vague.

 

Actually, the archived post of the performed test from Allhakazam was pretty extensive (especially for its day) and since there's no other evidence to go by I would say it's a pretty good and credible source. I believe the conclusion of the test was that the proc-rate seemed to be tuned to somewhere between 3-5% (3% would be a pretty odd number so I assume 5% is the correct one).

[Storfan 24]

So the ironfoe that so hard took me to get its half фекал, what about Felstriker? Is it worth enough? my offhand is a deathbringer...

 

I have no idea of the proc-rate on Felstriker as I dont have it. Generally, you'd best avoid proc-based items on your offhand due to the lower proc-rate in offhand.

[gotmilk0112 10]

Felstriker proc rate is 2% or 3%, IIRC.

[Zarant 2]

Ironfoe is only worth using if you're playing human, otherwise you will be better off using edgemaster's and some other raid weapon. I remember an EJ post a while ago that corroborated the 10% proc rate, thats why most servers used that as a baseline, unfortunately that source is gone forever.

[killerduki 54]

Actually, the archived post of the performed test from Allhakazam was pretty extensive (especially for its day) and since there's no other evidence to go by I would say it's a pretty good and credible source. I believe the conclusion of the test was that the proc-rate seemed to be tuned to somewhere between 3-5% (3% would be a pretty odd number so I assume 5% is the correct one).

On old Elysium Bugtracker was posted evidence for 5% , i lost all my sources when bugtracker was removed.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Storfan 24]

Ironfoe is only worth using if you're playing human, otherwise you will be better off using edgemaster's and some other raid weapon. I remember an EJ post a while ago that corroborated the 10% proc rate, thats why most servers used that as a baseline, unfortunately that source is gone forever.

You could probably find it with:

https://archive.org/web/

 

It's how they found the allhakazam source that Kullerduki mentions bellow. I dont know about the EJ-post but the methodology used in the allhakazam post was pretty solid and did seem like a credible source.

 

On old Elysium Bugtracker was posted evidence for 5% , i lost all my sources when bugtracker was removed.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

Allhakazam comment post on Ironfoe.

[FullRetard 1]

What about Bonereaver's Edge? There isn't a thread for it but you seem like the only person on these forums actually doing any hard testing, so I thought I'd ask you. Has anyone tested the proc rate and mechanics since the server came back up?

[FullRetard 1]

What about Bonereaver's Edge? There isn't a thread for it but you seem like the only person on these forums actually doing any hard testing, so I thought I'd ask you. Has anyone tested the proc rate and mechanics since the server came back up?

[FullRetard 1]

What about Bonereaver's Edge? There isn't a thread for it but you seem like the only person on these forums actually doing any hard testing, so I thought I'd ask you. Has anyone tested the proc rate and mechanics since the server came back up?

[Storfan 24]

2 hours ago, FullRetard said:

What about Bonereaver's Edge? There isn't a thread for it but you seem like the only person on these forums actually doing any hard testing, so I thought I'd ask you. Has anyone tested the proc rate and mechanics since the server came back up?

I have not tested it as I dont have the sword. All you need is procwatch though.

[vido 1]

Procwatch doesnt count the stacks after the first application iiirc

[Haestingas 30]

It no longer stacks, and the proc doesn't stay up super consistently even with WF.

[Storfan 24]

18 hours ago, vido said:

Procwatch doesnt count the stacks after the first application iiirc

Should each stack generate a message in the combat log? if it does, procwatch should count each application?

[Zarant 2]

Procwatch is not very accurate for that purpose. Whenever a buff is refreshed, no combat log messages are generated, the same thing happens with Ironfoe, if you have 2 procs in rapid succession, fury of forgewright buff will be refreshed but no combat log message is generated in the process. So you can either track the buff when its duration is refreshed or you can manually click it off whenever the event occurs.

Edited January 12, 2017 by Zarant
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[Theloras 108]

Vengeance (+15% melee and holy damage when a Paladin crits) suffers from the same problem - if it is refreshed, a new combat log is not generated.

[Zarant 2]

Also sunder armor have the same issue, if you are testing procs as a tank you have to factor in the number of sunder armors you used, which is kinda diffcult since only the first application generates a combat log event.

[Undertanker 88]

IMO Ironfoe is still a really good tanking weapon for threat at 5% proc rate.  My logic:

In 1 minute you get 25 Auto-Attacks and 40 global cooldowns such as Sunder/Revenge/Shield Slam.  So 65 total attacks that Ironfoe can proc off of within 1 minute.

This gives you an average expected proc of 3.25 procs every minute, or 6.5 swings.

Now by default we got 25 rage generating Auto-Attacks in 1 minute.   6.5 additional swings provides us 26% more rage generating swings in the same amount of time. 

In short, Ironfoe gives a tank 26% more available rage to use for threat gaining abilities with a 5% proc rate.   This additional raw rage gain to a weapon that has 54.81 DPS.     Making it a good TPS weapon before you get your hands on a Deathbringer, Vis'Kag, Claw of the Black Drake, or Crul'shorukh, Edge of Chaos for TPS.

Edited January 13, 2017 by Undertanker

[FullRetard 1]

9 hours ago, Zarant said:

Procwatch is not very accurate for that purpose. Whenever a buff is refreshed, no combat log messages are generated, the same thing happens with Ironfoe, if you have 2 procs in rapid succession, fury of forgewright buff will be refreshed but no combat log message is generated in the process. So you can either track the buff when its duration is refreshed or you can manually click it off whenever the event occurs.

Use Vanilla Consolidated Buff Frames (or maybe another buff addon that lets you do this) and ban the Fury of Forgewright buff. Then the buff will get dispelled immediately each time you get it. Although for Ironfoe I believe there should be a message "you gain 2 extra attacks" or some such, and you can just track that.

On 1/11/2017 at 2:51 PM, Haestingas said:

It no longer stacks, and the proc doesn't stay up super consistently even with WF.

Why doesn't BRE stack? Is that part of the progressive itemization? By the 1.12 patch it should definitely stack 3 times.