Gold Buyers: the real problem?

[Jeddite 9]

On a related note, what's the new "minimum level" to use /whisper and /Trade chat?  It was Level 6, then Level 7 ... now it's ... greater than Level 7.

Need to raise my primary AH alts to the minimum level... grumble, grumble.

[Junka 0]

stop buying gold please, it doesn't help :(

Edited January 2, 2017 by Junka
meme

[GoForTheMoon 0]

3 hours ago, Glenzig said:

So what youre saying is that all Chinese need to be banned? Cause acording to you nearly 100% are either buying or selling gold.

how do you get 100% out of 70%

are you a politician

[Glenzig 34]

1 hour ago, GoForTheMoon said:

how do you get 100% out of 70%

are you a politician

Sorry. Read it pretty lazily I admit. Didn't see his 50% remark. Still though, 70%? That's at the very least the majority. Not good.

[Hunter4life 0]

On 30.12.2016 at 0:55 PM, VladAtheris said:

Don't buy gold seems like the obvious answer here, boys and girls. I don't really understand who these people are that buy gold anyway. After all, the demand must be huge is there is a business made out of the thing. Nobody would retaliate with heavy DDoS attacks if all they stood to lose was a few hundred bucks.

A second solution would be for the server to sell gold in exchange for cash. Have a shop and sell gold. It's not like selling gold makes the game pay to win. Gold is mostly for mounts and respecs in Vanilla. It won't be like the guy buying gold is breaking the game and making it impossible for the non buyers to play.

All it will do is fuck up the economy on the AH but that could be quite interesting actually. This way every guild will have to have their own designated farmers who focus on gathering stuff. There might be guild unions who decide to only trade among themselves and bypass the AH altogether.

Imagine trading federations brokering deals and establishing monopolies on materials. Could be fun.

Bottom line, gold selling is like drug dealing if you want the dealers out of business then make their stuff legal and sell it yourself.

If you want the drugdealers out of business,  you kill both users and dealers.

 

Like that one Asian president!

 

For gold buyers, ban them all!!

Edited January 2, 2017 by Hunter4life

[Shiamorah 20]

Focusing on the buyers instead of the sellers is a bad idea, in my opinion. Focus on both of them. Buyers will always be around, you can't just create a community and tell every single person in the population to do one thing and not the other... Even in real life, we have laws to try to do that, laws that are broken frequently. 

Right now, the largest issue is accounts that have been compromised and are now being used in malicious ways. Tightening their ability to sell gold is not a permanent solution, but it is just one way out of many different ways they are currently approaching this issue. I agree that this should not be considered a permanent solution, because it negatively impacts players that abide by the rules. But for now, since this is such a major issue here, restrictions and limitations are necessary.

[Everquest 7]

Every compromised account needs to get banned. Because people lie.

If a VPN was used to log into the account last and gold was moved, there is no way to tell who used the VPN.

It could very well be the account owner using the VPN and now claiming his account got hacked to try and get it back.

 

Because gold farming accounts do this, I'm afraid legit accounts that got compromised have to suffer the same fate.

Example: A gold farmer/seller from France logs into his account normally for months. Main focus is farming gold, but he groups up a bit on the side to make it look somewhat more legit. After several months he reached his goal, he farmed enough gold, thousands of gold. He now logs into a VPN for the first time and moves the gold. He now expects his account will get banned, but of course he will try to prevent it. He will go on the forums and claim his account got hacked.

 

Elysium cannot see the difference. Even if it was a full tier2 account that got compromised. It could still be a player that decided to quit the game and sell all his stuff just before he leaves to get something out of it still.

 

[Rúna 0]

Increasing severity of punishment has already been proven not to work as a deterrent for physical crimes and it works even less for virtual ones. Carpet banning the populous even with a measure of accounting for certain factors only helps in antagonizing your own player base towards you because the gold selling industry you're trying to combat with this will see this and have accounted for it as acceptable losses. While the actual players that end up getting caught in the crossfire will be devastated, often having sunk months into their characters.

You might staunch the bleeding with mass bans for a bit but unless these are followed up with meticulous reviewing of numerous innocents caught in the drag net - again at the cost of time and effort - will hurt the server more than the industry. 

Particularly with the community at hand and the status that vanilla WoW has garnered, people will pay large sums of gold for BiS items, e.g. wands. And with AQ looming the amount of items with a sizable price tag is going to increase. Carpet banning transactions of over 500g (or some other arbitrary number) with no chance for appeal will do far more harm than good. And in light of recent bans, probably already has.

I've seen false bans on Nost lifted after being reviewed, and I can only hope that this will be case here. But I've not done my research on how the staff handles things here and who from the Nost GM team is involved, since I've been very much just enjoying playing the characters I thought lost again. 

Edited January 2, 2017 by acetabularius

[koseku 2]

my suggestion is to create a pay-to-win realms that is provided by devs so anyone who wanna pay to gold will go there 

[noob257 36]

On 1.1.2017 at 0:31 AM, dodgykebaab said:

people are human, we all make mistakes. People should be allowed a chance to learn.

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Dodgykebaab buys gold, emails checks with his paypal.

RIP THAT MOTHERFUCKER LOL

https://www.reddit.com/r/ElysiumProject/comments/5m2fli/am_i_a_hero_or_villain/

[haolerot 3]

On 12/30/2016 at 3:08 AM, dodgykebaab said:

Personally I think a warning system for those who buy gold.  Get caught buying gold, then you lose all the gold you have and receive a letter in game as a warning.

Get caught a second time and you get perma banned.

Instant bans for a one off gold buy are way too harsh.

You got caught buying gold. 

 

Rekt so hard.

[haolerot 3]

On 12/31/2016 at 1:31 PM, dodgykebaab said:

I really am, I can prove it if you like.

i feel this way because this:

people are human, we all make mistakes. People should be allowed a chance to learn.

they are banning people for buying gold, so if they can do that, what harm is done from giving a warning while removing all their gold at the same time?

if enough people get warnings that word will spread and stop others from buying which in turn stops the sellers.

a outright ban is less likely to result in people sharing the story of their warning and does nothing to stop the farmers while at the same time gives a little grace to the players

No. You're a fcking idiot. I'm glad you got banned for buying gold. That pastebin on reddit proves you did. 

Gold sellers only exist because of gold buyers. Supply and demand. You're part of the problem, not a solution. 

[lql609 0]

well ,i checked mostly of what you guys had said. in my opinion , to stop gold selling is a impossible affair . lets thinking why there are so much illegal gold circulating and selling ,thats because too much gold farmers are doing illegal farming in some easy gold farming locations. So ,lets attempt to foucs on monitoring gold farming area fixing and  monitoring rich gold recourse coming in a player , but it may need much more GMs and  monitoring bots .lol

[Snowtime 1]

On 31/12/2016 at 0:08 AM, dodgykebaab said:

Personally I think a warning system for those who buy gold.  Get caught buying gold, then you lose all the gold you have and receive a letter in game as a warning.

Get caught a second time and you get perma banned.

Instant bans for a one off gold buy are way too harsh.

I thought this was a fake screencap but it is hilarious that it is real. 

[cybaster 31]

The dodgykebab out is the stuff of internet legends.  Let me be a reminder, folks:  People will say anything and pretend to any kind of virtue when it servers their own agenda.

Consider this when you read all of the people crying for leniency, and the people who are against VPN bans*.

*Not everyone against a VPN ban is obviously full of shit.  I'd say about three-quarters.  You guys all know who you are.

[lql609 0]

On 2017/1/2 at 5:06 AM, sdnemo777 said:

As a Chinese that is studying in the US, I can give you some numbers.

About 80% of the Chinese are players that played Vanilla WoW originally and now have families/jobs, so they are mostly raidloggers that get online 2-3 days a week for 3hrs, which means, alot of them will buy gold. I don't know numbers, but probly 50% of them.

The rest 20%, are younger folks/people who dont have a regular job, and is making money by farming gold. They play considerably more every day and is the real gold farmers.

So its a misconception for people to think the majority of the Chinese are making a living to play this game. Lol no.

 

I think you should be ashamed to say those ваууing contents , you obviously dont  konw the actual reality yet ,just guess as your попа ! I am a chinese from china mainland playing well in Elysium world and be thankful for whole Elysium staff and other world player friends to share fun and anventure with eachother . we love vanilla world very much and want guard this last pure world as our youth souvenir. what you said were ваууing worong shits ! close your mouth and попа !  98%chinese players are legit and dont buy or selling any golds .they love legacy wow as same as other players ,they also need a healthy economy and good environment.that's why they bear big lag to come a international server. we r willing to help community fight against gold farmer/seller and every rules breaker.