Ret Pala

[Arkadikuss 0]

Hello everyone,

I have a question, to which i didn't found compelling answer via google.

It is my first time ever with Vanilla. I've been playing WoW from time to time since TBC, never, ever in Vanilla.
When TBC Launched i had blast fun with Ret Palla, which - as it seems - was totally different than pala now.

Right now I'm at lvl 18, have some fun with it, struggling most of times, but still have fun tho.

But is ret palla really bad here, as people like to write? Most of time i see only "lol, reroll" answers.
I play mostly solo, but truth is - i would like to join dungeons, and do some raiding (never did any tho :P).
So, just plain, simple answer - is ret palla good/fun to play, or is it just a waste of time, and i should reroll healing pala or even totally switch for something else (thinking mage maybe). 

The main reason I ask is the fact that i do have some fun with it, but when i go to forum, and see opinions about paladins - i just want to reroll ;P

Sorry for any mistakes - not eng native here :)

Kind regards,

Ark

[Spluaks 3]

Hey we have a brave guy here, who wanna see the world burn a bit with this question xD all onmy opinion:

First of all about the fun, to me Ret paladin it's very fun but for some other people it's the #1 bored class and I can understand them because ret pala it's all almost auto attacks + rng, but I love to see high numbers <3

Then, about viability, yeah it is viable, on the road to lv60 you shoudn't find any difficult to get 5-man group, gear always a good weapon and the numbers will come alone and highs, on lv60 well... it is viable 100% you are not going to do the same damage as a rogue/war/mage but you bring more utility, also you must learn how to play it well (work with the mana, gear a retadin is hard, when use a piece of gear instead other or what skill / talent you should use) 

Out of this, this game is full of class clasism, I think everyday is being less but still a lot, and you're gonna be insulted just for play the class you enjoy being possible do all content with you anyway, on this case you just have to be strong and resist because you're playing what you like and no one should tell you what to play.

 

As extra comment you said that you played TBC on the past, I really miss a lot the Crusader Strike here on Vanilla, mostly because the Enchancement Shaman (who is the counterpart of the ret paladin on horde) have Stormstrike and we have an stupid cc (who play pvp may say that its cool and it's not bad for pvp on general but on pve as final talent, sucks as hell)

[judgejewdy 0]

just go holy for pve and get some nice ret gear for pvp. this is a good route to go because items like t2 judgement and 2 handers are considered pvp weapons in most guilds. 

Edited January 2, 2017 by judgejewdy

[Talonari 0]

Ret Paladin can be viable and can do respectable DPS, as already said you will never match a Mage or Rogue, you can however if played and geared right, beat any other hybrid class and I have seen ret paladins who did play correctly back in the day of actual vanilla AND on private servers out dps hunters (not hard) and even arms and on occasion fury warriors, no word of a lie.

You also bring far more ultility which if you can mix that in there while still managing to keep the numbers good then you are playing another level.

 

The main problem with ret is a stereotype, its going off from 10+ years ago when people didn't have a clue what they were talking about or what they were doing, even those of us that were in top tier guilds had no way near as much knowledge or info as we do now when working with Vanilla stats and mechanics.

Theloras has written an amazing guide with a lot of detail as to how to get the best out of Ret and how mechanics for it work etc, would advise giving it a thorough read so you can understand the class more.

https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/23030-theloras-retribution-guide/

Edited January 3, 2017 by Talonari

[Arkadikuss 0]

Thank You boys :)
I have gained some confidence, going to look for group for deadmines today, when ill get back home from work ;)
I am going to play solo retpala, and occassionally ill go mage when my friend will come online (we've made characters that we play only when two of us are online). So I'll have it both ways.

Thank you, seriously ;)

[Jeetee 2]

Paladin is the most boring class to level.  Mage is one of the most fun.  Play what you want, you will see the content either way.

[Wilexane 1]

Raiding as ret is just a waste of a proper dps spot, anyone saying otherwise is deluded, level ret, go holy at 60.

 pvp is another matter, ret can be viable for PvP solo q, but don't expect invite to many premade unless you know the people and they know you can be effective.

[Smiter 9]

How is ret a waste of a dps spot? If the ret is farming all his consumables he can do good dps. Of course if there is a rouge/warrior going just as hard they will most likely beat the ret in dps but how many tryhard guilds are there? Not many that's for sure

[Wilexane 1]

Ret is purely RNG, does poor dps and bring no value whatsoever, you can't off tank, your healing is very shitty if you're using proper ret gears.

You bring absolutely nothing that a holy paladin can bring, Nightfall can be argued, but off tank with it are probably better anyway.

i don't want to break anyone dream, but that the truth. :(, if you find a guild that accept you, good for you, but you'll be nothing but a liability.

[kegboy 8]

1 hour ago, Wilexane said:

Ret is purely RNG, does poor dps and bring no value whatsoever, you can't off tank, your healing is very shitty if you're using proper ret gears.

You bring absolutely nothing that a holy paladin can bring, Nightfall can be argued, but off tank with it are probably better anyway.

i don't want to break anyone dream, but that the truth. :(, if you find a guild that accept you, good for you, but you'll be nothing but a liability.

i dont think you will be a liability because its pretty easy not to be last in dps as a ret paladin but you have way more potential for a pure dps spec. so many people slack on dps for example not having hit gear and stuff like that. they are not good dps but you can still beat a lot of people just for trying 

[Wilexane 1]

Then again, if you out dps anyone as a ret paladin, your guild members are doing something wrong, and progression will suffer for it.

I'm sure you can out dps any noobs my friend, but imagine how much more you'd out dps them with a proper dps spec. any decent players will wreck you on the dmg meter.

[Theloras 108]

2 hours ago, Wilexane said:

Ret is purely RNG, does poor dps and bring no value whatsoever, you can't off tank, your healing is very shitty if you're using proper ret gears.

You bring absolutely nothing that a holy paladin can bring, Nightfall can be argued, but off tank with it are probably better anyway.

i don't want to break anyone dream, but that the truth. :(, if you find a guild that accept you, good for you, but you'll be nothing but a liability.

I absolutely hate poorly informed people like this, especially when they play a Paladin class in the first place and even more so when they have no concept on the bug fixes that have gone through since the relaunch here on Elysium.

 

52 minutes ago, Wilexane said:

Then again, if you out dps anyone as a ret paladin, your guild members are doing something wrong, and progression will suffer for it.

I'm sure you can out dps any noobs my friend, but imagine how much more you'd out dps them with a proper dps spec. any decent players will wreck you on the dmg meter.

And then of course this is the standard response they come up with when countered with, "I'm already outdpsing people in my guild..."

In case you haven't noticed, I fucking hate Uncle Tom Paladins.

[gotmilk0112 10]

Yes, as Ret, it is POSSIBLE to "out-dps" people....but you have to get godly gear and stack shitloads of consumables, just to reach the dps level of someone with mediocre gear and few consumables. And even then, Ret's DPS is dependent on crit RNG and spamming mana potions so you can keep hitting consecrate. Have fun burning through 40+ mana potions every raid.

 

It is possible to do "good" DPS as Ret, but it requires so, SO much more time/money/effort than other classes. That's why people advise against it. You're a much bigger help to your raid going holy and healing, than tryharding as Ret.

Edited January 15, 2017 by gotmilk0112

[Smiter 9]

Just let ppl play what they want to play FFS! Game is so fucking old! If ur guild cant down BWL its not because u have a ret pally in the raid

[kegboy 8]

off topic but theoloras you think blood drinker is going to scale with sp here?

[Theloras 108]

21 minutes ago, gotmilk0112 said:

Yes, as Ret, it is POSSIBLE to "out-dps" people....but you have to get godly gear and stack shitloads of consumables, just to reach the dps level of someone with mediocre gear and few consumables. And even then, Ret's DPS is dependent on crit RNG and spamming mana potions so you can keep hitting consecrate. Have fun burning through 40+ mana potions every raid.

 

It is possible to do "good" DPS as Ret, but it requires so, SO much more time/money/effort than other classes. That's why people advise against it. You're a much bigger help to your raid going holy and healing, than tryharding as Ret.

The rotation you described above was the OLD Ret rotation back on Nost...

[Theloras 108]

5 minutes ago, kegboy said:

off topic but theoloras you think blood drinker is going to scale with sp here?

right now Life Drains are scaling here on Elysium but only at 43% instant cast spell dmg rates not 100%

so I wrote a bug report about it earlier this week:

Multiple Weapons' Drain Life Chance on Hit procs are scaling at only 43% of spell damage when they should scale at 100%

[killerduki 54]

5 hours ago, gotmilk0112 said:

Yes, as Ret, it is POSSIBLE to "out-dps" people....but you have to get godly gear and stack shitloads of consumables, just to reach the dps level of someone with mediocre gear and few consumables. And even then, Ret's DPS is dependent on crit RNG and spamming mana potions so you can keep hitting consecrate. Have fun burning through 40+ mana potions every raid.

 

It is possible to do "good" DPS as Ret, but it requires so, SO much more time/money/effort than other classes. That's why people advise against it. You're a much bigger help to your raid going holy and healing, than tryharding as Ret.

The rotation you mention is extremely poor dps and it is Old nostalrius due to bugged consecration.

Consecration was never will never be our dps on single target, cope with that.

Tbh if you have no clue how to play Retribution Paladin then better don't preach. Go back to your epic fail Shadow Priest.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[kupo 0]

I hate people who talk in absolutes.  Those are the people who close people's hearts and make the world a little bit darker to navigate.  To some, success is measured by a number on a dps chart addon.  for me, my success depends on the friends i meet and memories i create.  haha he said i cant play what i want.  lol

[Wilexane 1]

Nobody is telling you anything, you do what you desire, but the fact remain, ret paladin aren't viable for Raid.

Like i said, if a guild accept you, good for you, heck im jealous, i'd love to raid as ret, but i'm someone competitive and i'd rather play a proper spec that can have a real impact on the raid, and not be a liability. Don't expect to top the charts as ret and be invited to every single group at 60, the majority of the players base will not accept you, that is a simple fact.

[simppi 3]

6 hours ago, Wilexane said:

Nobody is telling you anything, you do what you desire, but the fact remain, ret paladin aren't viable for Raid.

Like i said, if a guild accept you, good for you, heck im jealous, i'd love to raid as ret, but i'm someone competitive and i'd rather play a proper spec that can have a real impact on the raid, and not be a liability. Don't expect to top the charts as ret and be invited to every single group at 60, the majority of the players base will not accept you, that is a simple fact.

Just because you only play with elitist jerks doesn't mean the majority of players are that, I'll be making a thread with dps from all my raids when my guild starts, then you can see for yourself how "viable" retri is.

[Zaladeen 0]

They arent that perfect for raiding, but if you got your own guild, you can ask them, they are strong against undeads so why not give a shot in Naxx? Holy is the way to go.

But im ret and im playing in a PvP server. Theres a hater that got a name with heal on it, that says that every ret should roll holy. He is the reason i rolled a paladin. His crusade against the ret didnt work well;) For Killerduki! *Raise sword*

Edited January 16, 2017 by Zaladeen

[Smiter 9]

19 hours ago, Wilexane said:

Nobody is telling you anything, you do what you desire, but the fact remain, ret paladin aren't viable for Raid.

Like i said, if a guild accept you, good for you, heck im jealous, i'd love to raid as ret, but i'm someone competitive and i'd rather play a proper spec that can have a real impact on the raid, and not be a liability. Don't expect to top the charts as ret and be invited to every single group at 60, the majority of the players base will not accept you, that is a simple fact.

Ret paladin is viable for raid. Rets can pull good dps and place top 10 plenty in a non tryhard guild. I was able to pull over 400dps on golemagm, complete single target without world buffs. That is def. viable dps.

[Spluaks 3]

I'm 100% sure that ret have to explote his dps when he achiev to get good gear like AQ gear, the most gear dependent class for sure

[Joogo 0]

Hello friend,

Let me start off by saying, great job choosing to become a Ret Pally. I've always been a Ret pally. Even when the game was first released many many years ago. I used to get a lot of hate from groups, guilds and people alike. The road you are choosing to walk is a very narrow and hard road for sure, but don't be mislead by negative comments. Leveling from 1-60 as a Ret Pally will be challenging, but once you hit 60, that's where the magic begins and you can start working on builds to fully dial in your play style.

As far as DPS goes. It's not about the pure numbers "you" put out, but more importantly the numbers "others" put out because of you. That's who you are. You support your fellow DPS and make sure they are able to squeeze every ounce of damage out they possibly can.

Keep fighting the good fight and don't give up. The joy from playing a Ret Pally is worth it.