Scumbag Hunter

[alexinho 1]

TLDR'd it but the pets have the same DPS.

Broken Tooth has an atk of 1.00 and a lower damage compared to say Echeyakee, who has an atk. speed of 2.00

Their damage after 1 hour of dummy attacking should be around the same, outside talents.

HOWEVER, Beast Mastery has Frenzy, which makes the pet get attack speed after critting. The thing here is that with a faster attack speed, you'll trigger Frenzy more often. Thus Broken Tooth will have a higher uptime of Frenzy, thus more DPS.

Bottom line is that you want pets with fast swings to trigger Frenzy and interrupt casts.

[Yumz 0]

38 minutes ago, Fisher said:

I'm looking up information about this. I can't seem to find when the pets' DPS was normalized. I'm guessing it must have been 2.0, or some later patch in vanilla. If there were actually higher base DPS pets (I know there were, but I don't believe there are anymore), then the reason people would be picking Broken Tooth wouldn't be for its attack speed, but its base DPS. That simply isn't the case, as far as I know.

If it is, I'd much appreciate you providing a list of all these values, as I'm sure would many others.

 

I dont know when they did the normalization, but i do know there is none yet (and wont come in vanilla).

I tamed and leveled several pets to lv60 and wrote down their baseDPS, however i will not make that available yet because I can, at this moment, only talk for my previous server and do not know if it's the same here.

But it is safe that different pets have different DPS and attackspeeds. And here is, when everything works correctly on Elysium, Broken Tooth king.

BT gets picked for its baseDPS in PvE and for its attackspeed in PvP - that simply is the case. If you believe that or not is up to you.

Edited January 16, 2017 by Yumz

[Yumz 0]

11 minutes ago, alexinho said:

TLDR'd it but the pets have the same DPS.

No. Stop spreading false information

Edited January 16, 2017 by Yumz

[Raziya 11]

44 minutes ago, Fisher said:

TL;DR

Never mind. You're so dense.

[alexinho 1]

1 hour ago, Yumz said:

No. Stop spreading false information

Tame a random pet at 60 and then another random pet with different attack speed. You'll see that they have the same base DPS.

 

The 2.0 normalisation you people talk about made EVERY pet have the same attack speed of 2.00 and they all had the same damage, so they had the same DPS.

As it is in Vanilla, pets have different attack speeds but their DPS is the same. Pets with lower attack speed hit for less damage. In the long run, excluding talents, the DPS is the same.

Edited January 16, 2017 by alexinho

[Yumz 0]

11 minutes ago, alexinho said:

Tame a random pet at 60 and then another random pet with different attack speed. You'll see that they have the same base DPS.

 

 

Yes, please exactly do this, post that 2 screenshots here, and then you will see that this is not true.

Until you did that: please stop posting here. Plz. Stahp. 

[Pwnjin 1]

18 часов назад, Fisher сказал:

I actually forgot about Frenzy. That is another reason to have a faster attack speed on your pet. I wouldn't agree it's totally worthless in end-game content, but I would suggest getting a different pet for raiding/group content. Lupos is really good. I don't know what LBRS worg you mean. Do you know its name?

Let me clarify. Since i have only played TBC before and my main wasn't a hunter i can only speak of MC and Ony judging from my personal experience (im playing on the PvE server so no BWL for sometime). In those 2 raid instances i'd go for a wolf rather than any other pet since on most fights its rather hard to get the pet attacking and surviving (out of the fights where dps matters you can attack with a pet on Golemagg and Ragnaross and possibly Magmaddar but the last one is not reliable at all). So for the most part you'll end up using your pet for Howl only.

I do think that you can switch to dps pet for fights like Vael and Patchwerk etc, but i can't be sure until i try it.

Regarding Lupos - if you have it - good. If you don't it doesn't matter since his dmg gets reduced by armor anyway (though as far as i understand it benefits from +shadow dmg debuffs). On the other hand if you would like your pet to dps you'd rather go with a cat imo.

By LBRS worg i mean those non-rare worgs which you have to tame to get Bite 8 and Howl 4.

Edit: as far as i know the pet normalization (patch 2.0) removed rare mobs special abilities (like resistances etc) and made all of them 2.0 AS. Dunno about the DPS.

Edited January 16, 2017 by Pwnjin

[alexinho 1]

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If you don't it doesn't matter since his dmg gets reduced by armor anyway

Wat. Then what's the point of Lupos? I always thought his damage eats through armor since it's Shadow.
 

Edited January 16, 2017 by alexinho

[alexinho 1]

4 hours ago, Yumz said:

Yes, please exactly do this, post that 2 screenshots here, and then you will see that this is not true.

Until you did that: please stop posting here. Plz. Stahp. 

 

 

You're right. I tested.

So that raises the question, what pets have the highest DPS? Is it based on attack speed? So Broken tooth has the highest DPS and a 2.00 Cat has the lowest?

[Fisher 5]

4 hours ago, Yumz said:

Yes, please exactly do this, post that 2 screenshots here, and then you will see that this is not true.

Until you did that: please stop posting here. Plz. Stahp. 

6 hours ago, Yumz said:

I tamed and leveled several pets to lv60 and wrote down their baseDPS, however i will not make that available yet because I can, at this moment, only talk for my previous server and do not know if it's the same here...

If you believe that or not is up to you.

I mean, with all due respect, I don't just believe a random user on the forums because they said something that I believe to not be the case. You'll have to take your own advice, and post some screenshots to prove you're correct, or link me to some patch notes/archived forum posts discussing when the pet DPS was normalized to prove it isn't that case here.

For one, I don't care how things were on some other server. That is totally irrelevant to this server, unless the server you're talking about was a legitimate Blizzard realm back in vanilla. I doubt that's what you were talking about, and even if it was, I want some proof that was the case and is the case here.

Secondly, not a single other person on this server has said Broken Tooth is the best because of its base DPS. Everyone is saying it's because of its attack speed. I don't think that's a coincidence.

As I said before... I'm open to the idea of being wrong about this, but I won't just take your word for it. Prove it to me (and everyone else here) so we can all be smarter for it.

[Fisher 5]

10 minutes ago, alexinho said:

Wat. Then what's the point of Lupos? I always thought his damage eats through armor since it's Shadow.

8 minutes ago, alexinho said:

So that raises the question, what pets have the highest DPS? Is it based on attack speed? So Broken tooth has the highest DPS and a 2.00 Cat has the lowest?

Yeah. Everything this fellow is saying is just contradicting what every other hunter on these forums seems to know about pets.

Can you provide screenshots of the pets you tamed and their pet sheets to show they actually have different DPS values?

 

[alexinho 1]

Didn't take screenshots, but I went to Retro and they had a 1.50 wolf and a 2.00 Owl.

The Wolf had a higher DPS, around 46 at lvl 60 ( sans talents ). The owl had like 30.6

This was without feeding them, so it's obviously bigger when fed, but the difference will still be there.

 

Edited January 16, 2017 by alexinho

[Fisher 5]

3 minutes ago, alexinho said:

Didn't take screenshots, but I went to Retro and they had a 1.50 wolf and a 2.00 Owl.

The Wolf had a higher DPS, around 46 at lvl 60 ( sans talents ). The owl had like 30.6

This was without feeding them, so it's obviously bigger when fed, but the difference will still be there.

 

You didn't even tame pets of the same species? That doesn't prove anything. Different species have different modifiers to their damage, health, and armor. -.-

[Fisher 5]

5 hours ago, Yumz said:

Yes, please exactly do this, post that 2 screenshots here, and then you will see that this is not true.

Until you did that: please stop posting here. Plz. Stahp. 

To finally put a rest to this issue... proof: http://imgur.com/ub1fPRE

I went and tamed The Rake. He was level 10 to start, and the cat with the closest level (and most convenient for me) was in the Barrens. A level 11. I went and leveled The Rake up to level 11, then compared the DPS of the two pets while fully fed.

Now, it's possible The Rake just had the same base DPS as this other pet? I don't really intend to wait around for Broken Tooth just to prove its DPS will be the same as another cat of the same level, but if you want to do so to prove me wrong because you think it will be different, by all means, go ahead.

[InfiniteEly2 0]

Ofcourse a PvE server loser whines over someone who tagged faster...coulf you get more pathetic?

 

Whats next? NPCs looking wrong at you?

 

Cry more.

[EffToyz 12]

On 1/14/2017 at 8:33 PM, Creselius said:

I waited 4h to tame Broken tooth. I see him. Im taming him and he pulls him away from to break the cast and tames it for himself.. If everyone sees Sherwin hunt him down. You see people camping. you see people have priority over you. Use your god damn mind.

Night elf Sherwin on the PVE server you made a huge mistake.

 

Jezus, really? Before you tame, you hit him once. You can't tame tapped beasts.

[Greenkarma 1]

Maybe he did not know what he done? Not everyone know what is what, like I just invited my friend to play for first time, if he would see Broken tooth, i bet he would try to kill just cos he dunno that someone can tame it or smth.

You don't feel ashamed about this complain? There is no priority if game do not give it to you. Only people morale counts.

[Pottu 290]

On 1/16/2017 at 10:42 PM, alexinho said:

Didn't take screenshots, but I went to Retro and they had a 1.50 wolf and a 2.00 Owl.

The Wolf had a higher DPS, around 46 at lvl 60 ( sans talents ). The owl had like 30.6

This was without feeding them, so it's obviously bigger when fed, but the difference will still be there.

 

Different pet families have different modifiers to their attributes. They can be positive or negative. This is what makes bears (+sta) and turtles (+armour) great tanks, while cats (+dps) do better damage. You can use the old Petopia site to see the exact values of each pet family. These are fully implemented on Elysium.

Broken Tooth is a cat and thus has the normal cat bonus to DPS but his base DPS is not higher than any other cat. Where the difference in meters comes from is likely to be Frenzy, as BT's attack speed makes it stay up more than on slower-hitting cats.

If you want to test this, you need to find a hunter who has both Broken Tooth and some other cat and then do enough pet damage to mobs to rule out statistical anomalies. Or if you use two hunters, make sure that both have Frenzy.

How things work at other private servers is completely meaningless.

[Bluntski 13]

No one cares. Broken Tooth isn't even that special of a pet, a wolf is better.

Edited January 19, 2017 by Bluntski

[Fisher 5]

13 hours ago, Bluntski said:

No one cares. Broken Tooth isn't even that special of a pet, a wolf is better.

For group/raid content, yes. For solo/PvP content, no.

[alexinho 1]

Considering getting a 1.30 attack speed tiger from STV over Broken Tooth ( had him on Nost but I cba to get him again honestly )

Do you reckon I should abandon my 2.00 Echeyakee and get the 1.30 tiger in STV? I'd ideally want Broken Tooth, but I want to hit 60 asap so I can't really waste time camping him. Plus, is 0.30 that noticeable?

This is gonna be my levelling/PvP pet, going wolf for raids.

[Software 9]

On 1/16/2017 at 4:37 PM, Fisher said:

Yeah. Everything this fellow is saying is just contradicting what every other hunter on these forums seems to know about pets.

Can you provide screenshots of the pets you tamed and their pet sheets to show they actually have different DPS values?

 

I was under the impression pet base dps varied by the actual type of pet. Obviously attack speeds are all over the place, but all cats should have same theoretical dps. If cat A attacks once per second at 5 damage, then cat B would attack once per two seconds at 10 damage. That kind of thing. Now if you take into account frenzy, then yeah that could make cat A do more damage than cat B, but at the base level they should be the same.

 

However,  a boar for example will do less base dps than a cat because they have higher base armor and health.

 

Yeah? No? I was never a huge number cruncher.

[Fisher 5]

19 hours ago, Software said:

I was under the impression pet base dps varied by the actual type of pet.

19 hours ago, Software said:

Yeah? No? I was never a huge number cruncher.

You are correct. There are modifiers for different species of pets. Cats, for example, get 10% (iirc) more DPS. However, all cats of the same level will have the same DPS.

What was confusing me is this guy in the thread was saying that Broken Tooth had a higher base DPS, which hasn't been the case since before I can remember. There's no reason it should be the case here.

 

[Perkalov 0]

On ‎2017‎-‎01‎-‎16 at 2:36 PM, Raziya said:

I vehemently disagree. And furthermore, I think you're missing the point.

The reason to be honorable to others is not just to be 'warm and fuzzy.' It builds trust, makes friendship easier, and ultimately the people you help are more likely to come help you.



 

This.

Feeling warm and fuzzy is generally a bad concept that I gladly leave to SJWs, but for the most part, people will treat you accordingly to how you treat them.

Just try to apply the "I don't care for others" attitude during raids and see how often you will be raiding. If you don't have the balls for it, then I can tell you the result, you will be raiding up until the day people/raidleaders/guildleaders starts remembering your name.

[Fisher 5]

2 hours ago, Perkalov said:

Just try to apply the "I don't care for others" attitude during raids and see how often you will be raiding.

Things raid leaders care about:

• Are you good at your role?
• Are you geared/talented correctly?
• Are you a ninja?

Broken Tooth and other rare pets do not relate to those issues whatsoever. You could make the very flimsy connection between being a ninja and taming a pet, but honestly, I don't think any raid leader is going to refuse to take you because you "stole" Broken Tooth from another hunter. If your raid leader cares about that, you're probably in a guild that can't even clear Deadmines, in which case I'm not concerned about not being in their raid group.